Migrants in Macedonia don't accept help because there is a red cross on it.
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[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48541290]If making harsh points makes someone a hick, I'd rather be a hick.[/QUOTE]
You can make harsh points without saying shit like they can go back to " whatever hole they came from before"
Like it is possible to phrase it in a non aggressive way.
[editline]25th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fourier;48541467]It's ok for people to come to Europe, only if they do not cause more problems.
But, being religious freak and choosing religion over democracy seriously raises red flags.[/QUOTE]
They aren't choosing religion over democracy, they're rejecting boxes of aid because they interpret the cross as a hate symbol. They are exorcising their right to democracy by doing what they will.
[QUOTE=PatrickT;48541371]Hahaha holy shit are you really associating a cross as a hate symbol?[/QUOTE]
To them the red cross is evocative of a period when many of them were murdered for their religion. Are you getting the picture?
It's dumb to deny the aid, but you can kind of see why they would at the very least be uncomfortable accepting it.
And their symbol (crescent and star) represents period when Europeans were attacked, raped and murdered.
Absurd really, we are a poor country, trying to help them, if they don't accept it, their problem.
[QUOTE=thexfiles123;48541817]Absurd really, we are a poor country, trying to help them, if they don't accept it, their problem.[/QUOTE]
Their problem becomes your problem because they will whine and cause uproars.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48541832]Their problem becomes your problem because they will whine and cause uproars.[/QUOTE]
meh, welcome to the Balkans, even if they do whine I reckon no one will give a shit because were all stubborn as hell any way, a few days ago they stabbed a police officer, so we tried to block the border off to control the influx, and this happened
[video=youtube;TGofp6ZJVy8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGofp6ZJVy8[/video]
like something out of a zombie movie
Also, I have been doing some looking into this ordeal, and supposedly from a few off and on reports, the reason the people rejected the food WAS NOT because it has the Red Cross on it. It was because a night or so ago, the police and army had reportedly attacked a few people living in a refugee camp, and people were rightfully pissed off, and wanted some form of apology.
These reports are unconfirmed, but if this is truly the case, I can see where they are coming from. It'd be like squeezing a lemon into an open wound, and expecting someone not to want to hit you for being a right cunt.
If the reports are not true, my view still stands that they are being ungrateful, and should probably be deported back to once they came. If you are going to reject the necessities of human life because of small imagery, and put your family at risk of starvation because of this, I really have no better words to describe such a person other then calling them a scumbag.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48540581]I think it would be akin to a western country recieving foreign aid that just happens to come in swastika marked packages. It doesn't mean the same thing there as it does here, but I could see westerners turning down aid because it's got a certain hated symbol on it.[/QUOTE]
There's actually a Chinese equivalent of the Red Cross called the Red Swastika Society.
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[IMG]https://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh6jiukkHJ1qd9o49o1_500.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PatrickT;48541371]Hahaha holy shit are you really associating a cross as a hate symbol?[/QUOTE]
You do realize that not everywhere in the world is the Swastika a hate symbol right? In a lot of Asian countries the Swastika means several things like Fertility or Life.
most of the refugees in the balkans are from syria. they have nothing to go back to.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48542930]You do realize that not everywhere in the world is the Swastika a hate symbol right? In a lot of Asian countries the Swastika means several things like Fertility or Life.[/QUOTE]
And if westerners denied aid from an Asian group because it had a swastika on, I would call them dumb as well.
[QUOTE=Fourier;48540730]There will become ones, if they will act like this.
[editline]25th August 2015[/editline]
Why don't they go to Saudi Arabia or something like that?[/QUOTE]
jeeez I don't know man maybe they didn't think it through when booking their refugee fleeing trip at the refugee trip agency
[editline]26th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;48541380]I agree. I remember watching on the news about some migrants (can't really say from where to where they went, as I don't remember that well), who were bitching about "bad living conditions" while having everything they need there as well as being mad about not feeling accepted in the country. Safe to say - they brought it upon themselves.
As for these migrants, they really should get back from where they came from. Beggars can't be choosers, well said.[/QUOTE]
a violent mob just burned down a designated refugee home in Germany while shouting Nazi paroles, throwing fireworks, stones and other stuff at the police for DAYS
two people just pissed on "immigrant looking" kids in a tram in Berlin.
there have been reported rapes in the areas where Syrian refugees stay in Berlin because the officials priorize Balkan refugees because it's easier to send them back
and this is in the richest country of the EU, one of the richest ones in the world. How do you think it is in Mazedonia or Jordan?
"brought it upon themselves"?
[QUOTE=sgman91;48543254]And if westerners denied aid from an Asian group because it had a swastika on, I would call them dumb as well.[/QUOTE]
Didn't say anything about that, just noting to that other guy that the Swastika isn't a universal sign of hatred.
[QUOTE=PatrickT;48541371]Hahaha holy shit are you really associating a cross as a hate symbol?[/QUOTE]
It is though, in their culture. Ours is different, thats how it works.
Honestly this should be a lesson to people to reflect on symbols, phrases and words that offend us. We're only offended because we're taught to be, to a different culture it looks just as silly as this, when we're offended at some things.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48540581]I think it would be akin to a western country recieving foreign aid that just happens to come in swastika marked packages. It doesn't mean the same thing there as it does here, but I could see westerners turning down aid because it's got a certain hated symbol on it.[/QUOTE]
and all because they're ignorant of the true meaning of either symbol
[QUOTE=Mattk50;48543434]It is though, in their culture. Ours is different, thats how it works.
Honestly this should be a lesson to people to reflect on symbols, phrases and words that offend us. We're only offended because we're taught to be, to a different culture it looks just as silly as this, when we're offended at some things.[/QUOTE]
Oh we just ought to accept it? Those events happened nearly 600 years ago, it would be akin us hating the star and crescent because the muslims attacked Europe too in that time period and before.
If they come to Europe they should accept the fact that it has a christian heritage. Respect should be mutual and not a 1 way street.
[QUOTE=Broguts;48540777]Or maybe we could just take the crosses off the boxes for a few people, like this really isn't that big of a deal.[/QUOTE]No, absolutely not. Even if it was a gigantic penis covered in spikes and flames the markings on the aid package shouldn't be removed, what [i]should[/i] happen is the starving people should just accept the fucking food given to them.
This is literally beggars being choosers, and I'm [i]pretty fucking sure[/i] they've encountered the Red Cross anyway and are well aware of what the organization does.
[editline]26th August 2015[/editline]
Even if they haven't they're still being given stuff [i]for free[/i] when all they have is literally the clothes on their backs, so I have no sympathy for these fucking morons.
I am pissed that homeless people won't get such help as those refugees.
It's perfectly acceptable for the refugees to turn down aid they find offensive. It's also perfectly acceptable for them to deal with the consequences of refusing that aid.
[QUOTE=Explosions;48549108]It's perfectly acceptable for the refugees to turn down aid they find offensive. It's also perfectly acceptable for them to deal with the consequences of refusing that aid.[/QUOTE]
Acceptable? Tolerable. It's rude.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48540435]If everyone was like that, a whole lot of people would be pissed at them on account of Alexander being macedonian.[/QUOTE]
Current macedonia actually has very little to do with the Macedonia back then. Alexanders birthplace is actually in the province of macedonia in Greece now. Which borders Macedonia the country. Both Macedonia's hat each other.
[QUOTE=PatrickT;48544043]Oh we just ought to accept it? Those events happened nearly 600 years ago, it would be akin us hating the star and crescent because the muslims attacked Europe too in that time period and before.
If they come to Europe they should accept the fact that it has a christian heritage. Respect should be mutual and not a 1 way street.[/QUOTE]
No, i think it's stupid and they deserve to be called stupid. But we do the same shit.
"Were starving and we need help!"
-send help
"Your help offends me, I'd rather starve!"
-okay, have fun
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