[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37201647]I didn't realize Afghanistan has oil, enlighten me.[/QUOTE]
No one here understands sarcasm apparently.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37199153]Before you go on with stupidity at least understand what the fuck happened in history to cause what is going on around you.[/QUOTE]
I understand the situation in Afghanistan perfectly, I am not sure why you are relating my post about how a kid might have gotten fucked up by a war to history?
All I am saying is how a kid who might have affected by the war in a lot of ways decided to fight the Americans.
I remember some Taliban leader saying something along these lines, "I can convert a few individuals in an hour but a drone strike converts a whole village to my cause"
Should sum it up.
[QUOTE=Coridan;37199220]I don't think you realize how many people are forced to fight for Al Qaeda by Al Qaeda[/QUOTE]
Do you realize that you were mostly fighting the Taliban? And that the Taliban and al-Qaeda are not the same organization?
[QUOTE=Coridan;37199220]Any civilian deaths on OUR part were accidental or committed by some service member who went crazy.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but I'd still be pretty fucking pissed if some guy shot my friend because of an accident, or a bomb missed its target and hit a house.
God help us, we're dying in the Middle East
Now you best prepare yourself for the Mark of the Beast
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37197210]Why can't people understand the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq, fucking god damn.
We had a reason to be there but we've had a ticket to leave since we got Bin Laden. We should be gone, but you know how unpacking a gigantic war machine is right?
[/QUOTE]
I'm not supporting the idiocy of previously quoted post, but even the bin laden reason was not that good of a reason to send multiple armies to Afghanistan.
9/11 with it's 3000 dead (and by extension, the hunt for bin laden) was not a "good reason" to enter another country and ensure the demise of a further 30,000+ people
Replace the Americans with rebels and everyone would rate it winners, you and your doublestandards about invading a country.
[QUOTE=smeismastger;37202541]Replace the Americans with rebels and everyone would rate it winners, you and your doublestandards about invading a country.[/QUOTE]
killing is always justified if you kill the bad guys!
[QUOTE=Bobie;37202575]killing is always justified if you kill the bad guys![/QUOTE]
But Bobie
America is the bad guys
[QUOTE=smeismastger;37202686]But Bobie
America is the bad guys[/QUOTE]
I can't tell, with your previous posting history, this would imply seriousness, but this posts rings of sarcasm.
[editline]12th August 2012[/editline]
Nah, you're just being an idiot. Deaths do happen, it sucks people have to die, but when you take the Theocratic, women can't go to school, kill our own people government, and then you pick the government with at least a minor semblance of democracy, an call them the "bad" guys, you're being a dumbass and letting your anti-United States bias get in the way.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;37202739]I can't tell, with your previous posting history, this would imply seriousness, but this posts rings of sarcasm.
[editline]12th August 2012[/editline]
Nah, you're just being an idiot. Deaths do happen, it sucks people have to die, but when you take the Theocratic, women can't go to school, kill our own people government, and then you pick the government with at least a minor semblance of democracy, an call them the "bad" guys, you're being a dumbass and letting your anti-United States bias get in the way.[/QUOTE]
yeah think about all that infrastructure the US has helped build in afghanistan compared to the amount of money it's spent on shooting people
[QUOTE=smeismastger;37202541]Replace the Americans with rebels and everyone would rate it winners, you and your doublestandards about invading a country.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of the seriousness of this post, it's entirely true. FP can really be a huge joke when it comes to news and opinions about wars in the middle east.
It's amazing really, people seem to regard [del]the war in afghanistan[/del] all middle eastern military conflicts as a source of cheap entertainment or something, like a sports game. The number of winner ratings thrown around in any thread about rebels/insurgents dying rivals a thread about news about the Olympics, like "woohoo, our team is winning!!". [I]People died[/I]. Does this not register with users here? Do they not clue into the fact that a plethora of civilian casualties, among the dead combatants from both sides of any given conflict equals up to an absolutely appalling climax of human suffering? It's insane that people can derive justification for any of it.
I guess when you read about something from a comfortable first world nation you don't clue into the actual gravity of what these military conflicts mean for the people who actually suffer greatly in them.
Can you please tell me what is so dumb about my posts?
I asked PinkPanzer, the 1st guy who to rate me dumb and he couldn't answer it.
Please tell me, I'm dying to know.
[QUOTE=Robbi;37203287]Can you please tell me what is so dumb about my posts?
I asked PinkPanzer, the 1st guy who to rate me dumb and he couldn't answer it.
Please tell me, I'm dying to know.[/QUOTE]
rating dumb is an excellent alternative to formal debating
[QUOTE=Robbi;37203287]Can you please tell me what is so dumb about my posts?
I asked PinkPanzer, the 1st guy who to rate me dumb and he couldn't answer it.
Please tell me, I'm dying to know.[/QUOTE]
Because if there has to be two sides to this conflict, you're implying the United States is the bad guy, and the Taliban is the good guy.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;37203020]Regardless of the seriousness of this post, it's entirely true. FP can really be a huge joke when it comes to news and opinions about wars in the middle east.
It's amazing really, people seem to regard [del]the war in afghanistan[/del] all middle eastern military conflicts as a source of cheap entertainment or something, like a sports game. The number of winner ratings thrown around in any thread about rebels/insurgents dying rivals a thread about news about the Olympics, like "woohoo, our team is winning!!". [I]People died[/I]. Does this not register with users here? Do they not clue into the fact that a plethora of civilian casualties, among the dead combatants from both sides of any given conflict equals up to an absolutely appalling climax of human suffering? It's insane that people can derive justification for any of it.
I guess when you read about something from a comfortable first world nation you don't clue into the actual gravity of what these military conflicts mean for the people who actually suffer greatly in them.[/QUOTE]
Well, it is because people like me don't really feel like being depressed forever. I am fully aware of the suffering that goes on over there. It doesn't make me dwell on their deaths though. Also, I can't stop it from happening. It is terrible, but people over there die and there is not a thing I can do about it.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;37203509]Because if there has to be two sides to this conflict, you're implying the United States is the bad guy, and the Taliban is the good guy.[/QUOTE]
But its never simply black and white, or just two sides.
Unless in chess.
[QUOTE=Robbi;37203570]But its never simply black and white, or just two sides.
Unless in chess.[/QUOTE]
What GOOD has the Taliban done for Afghanistan, lets put it that way. Not focusing on the war, focusing on the collapse of the communist government in the 90's to the 2000's.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;37203623]What GOOD has the Taliban done for Afghanistan, lets put it that way. Not focusing on the war, focusing on the collapse of the communist government in the 90's to the 2000's.[/QUOTE]
the taliban aren't some strange third party that came out of nowhere, they're made up of the people of the country they see as defending. the same question could be posed; what good has america done for afghanistan?
[QUOTE=Zambies!;37203623]What GOOD has the Taliban done for Afghanistan, lets put it that way. Not focusing on the war, focusing on the collapse of the communist government in the 90's to the 2000's.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying they have done any good, I think they are a pretty horrible regime, but the Americans haven't been doing a lot better.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37203656]the taliban aren't some strange third party that came out of nowhere, they're made up of the people of the country they see as defending. the same question could be posed; what good has america done for afghanistan?[/QUOTE]
The Taliban are an extremist group that exploit the hell out of the local populace, as well as terrorize them. They are not freedom fighters, nor do they believe they are. They fight for their own goal, which is to take over Afghanistan for themselves and impose their own will on the Afghan people. They force people to do things, under threat of killing them or their families. They are oppressive and don't provide anything to the people that normal governments would. The United States has improved Afghan infrastructure, such as building schools and hospitals, as well as making several areas much safer than what they used to be. Remember Korengal Valley? It is a lot safer than it was, and we built a vital road there. We are not there to kill maim and rape people. We try to improve their quality of life, but the Taliban are having none of it.
It's not just the Americans. It's everyone. Anyone in the IASF. They don't care if you're American, British, Afghan, or anyone. They just want to kill you. In my post earlier I said they killed 3 people. All of them were Civilians. None were in active military or had any military job. They were just there to train Afghan Customs officers how to do their jobs. They were [i]helping[/i] Afghanistan secure their borders. These... people that disguise themselves as Police Officers just want to kill you. They don't care where you came from. Even if you're an Afghan. They just want to kill you. They're scum.
My dad has lost friends there. One was the result of a suicide bombing on an Afghanistan Customs office. The majority of the casualties were Afghans. The other was one from the my last post. A cop just walked in and started shooting trainers that were relaxing while off-duty. They were not military officers, they weren't there to bomb houses. They were there to help Afghanistan customs. They were all civilians. The only weapons they have are for self defense.
You can attempt to justify them attacking soldiers because, well, we invaded their homeland. But these people don't care who you are. They bomb Afghans just as easily as they bomb British and Americans. They just want control of Afghanistan so they can abuse it like they did in the past. They don't give a shit about freedom or the Afghan people. They're monsters.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37203775]The Taliban are an extremist group that exploit the hell out of the local populace, as well as terrorize them. They are not freedom fighters, nor do they believe they are. They fight for their own goal, which is to take over Afghanistan for themselves and impose their own will on the Afghan people. They force people to do things, under threat of killing them or their families. They are oppressive and don't provide anything to the people that normal governments would. The United States has improved Afghan infrastructure, such as building schools and hospitals, as well as making several areas much safer than what they used to be. Remember Korengal Valley? It is a lot safer than it was, and we built a vital road there. We are not there to kill maim and rape people. We try to improve their quality of life, but the Taliban are having none of it.[/QUOTE]
but the presence of america and the sheer amount of civilian casualty on both parts as a result of the war has caused a massive surge in taliban recruitment. why do you think that is? i don't support either side, but i'm saying that the whole thing has been an un-necessary bloodbath and if it were handled less like a war and more like a humanitarian aid operation things would've gone alot more smoothly
[QUOTE=Bobie;37203656]the taliban aren't some strange third party that came out of nowhere, they're made up of the people of the country they see as defending. the same question could be posed; what good has america done for afghanistan?[/QUOTE]
The Taliban are just as quick to kill Afghans as they are British or Americans. Don't tell me they give a fuck.
[quote]KABUL, Afghanistan -- A suicide bomber struck a police checkpoint in eastern Afghanistan on Saturday, killing 11 people, three of them police officers and six of them passing schoolchildren, Afghan officials said.[/quote]
Yep, really looking out for the Afghan people, continue to fight the power freedom fighters of Afghanistan!!
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37203775]Remember Korengal Valley? It is a lot safer than it was[/QUOTE]
Do you know why it got so dangerous in the first place?
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[QUOTE=Robbi;37203840]Do you know why it got so dangerous in the first place?[/QUOTE]
Theres been a civil war since the 1990's dude. Look up "Northern Alliance"
[QUOTE=Robbi;37203840]Do you know why it got so dangerous in the first place?[/QUOTE]
The Taliban have been fucking in Afghanistan a good decade before 9/11 even happened.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_%281996-2001%29[/url]
[QUOTE=OvB;37203818]The Taliban are just as quick to kill Afghans as they are British or Americans. Don't tell me they give a fuck.
Yep, really looking out for the Afghan people, continue to fight the power freedom fighters of Afghanistan!![/QUOTE]
just because of the actions of one suicide bomber you can paint an entire group of people as evil and selfish? i'm sure there are those that have caused terrible atrocities on the talibans part, and those who genuinely believe they are protecting their way of life. this isn't as simple as black and white, there is no 'good side' or 'bad side'
if the us forces came to my town and started shooting my friends and family, i know who i would side with. there have been incredible amounts of civilian casualties on both sides, but just because one side's cause is an apparent 'accident' doesn't make it perfectly ok
The whole country has been a mess for decades. To say everything was all good and jolly until the big bad Americans came and bombed all the civilians is entirely wrong.
[QUOTE=OvB;37203952]The Taliban have been fucking in Afghanistan a good decade before 9/11 even happened.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_%281996-2001%29[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zambies!;37203905]Theres been a civil war since the 1990's dude. Look up "Northern Alliance"[/QUOTE]
Korangal Valley was not really any hotspot during that civil war.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37203979]just because of the actions of one suicide bomber you can paint an entire group of people as evil and selfish? i'm sure there are those that have caused terrible atrocities on the talibans part, and those who genuinely believe they are protecting their way of life. this isn't as simple as black and white, there is no 'good side' or 'bad side'
if the us forces came to my town and started shooting my friends and family, i know who i would side with. there have been incredible amounts of civilian casualties on both sides, but just because one side's cause is an apparent 'accident' doesn't make it perfectly ok[/QUOTE]
I wish we would get out of Afghanistan right now. It's far beyond repair. What I'm saying is Al Qaeda are monsters and don't give two flying fucks about the Afghan people.
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