i can imagine you
40 year old neckbeard in your parents basement
thinks he knows everything - never left the house in 20 years
[QUOTE=C47;37245021]Its naive minds like you who believe everything the media says, and then find it ok to go after extreme actions. One could give the Holocaust as an example. The only difference nowadays is that Islam is the new Judaism.
Afghanistan was under peace. Taliban wouldve had full control over the country if it wasnt for the US backing the Northern Alliance before 9/11.[/QUOTE]
Yeah man it's so much better to live under a regime that gained and held it's power through mass murder and terror tactics.
I'm sure deep down, under all the bodies and rubble, they're all very nice people.
[QUOTE=C47;37245021]Its naive minds like you who believe everything the media says, and then find it ok to go after extreme actions.[/QUOTE]
How am I believing everything the media says? I get all my knowledge through self learning, not listening to what Pat or Bill or Bob or whatever the fuck on the nightly news said.
[QUOTE=C47;37245021]One could give the Holocaust as an example. The only difference nowadays is that Islam is the new Judaism..[/QUOTE]
What? Are you retarded? I've heard the whole spectrum from the holocaust was evil to it was a conspiracy, know what I think?
A lot of fucking people died for no god damn reason.
[QUOTE=C47;37245021] The only difference nowadays is that Islam is the new Judaism.[/QUOTE]
I don't get this.
[QUOTE=C47;37245021]Afghanistan was under peace. Taliban wouldve had full control over the country if it wasnt for the US backing the Northern Alliance before 9/11.[/QUOTE]
You have a perverted sense of peace. You think restrictions on basic human rights is peace? Think public execution and persecution is peace? You're a fucking idiot peace comes about when there is nothing wrong, when all things are suitable and there is no need to worry.
The Taliban had complete control of Afghanistan before we invaded, we helped the Northern Alliance retake their country.
Do I need to go over my history lesson again.
[QUOTE=C47;37245059]Nah, i dont care about the taliban, but i like to play the devil's advocate, and only when justified (this might be an oxymoron). Unlike most of the kids here on FP, I wasnt born yesterday. Been following news for the past 20 years, and I noticed the sudden change of attitude towards the Taliban is press and everything.
That and Bush's ultimatum and threat to everyone. So much freedom right?
But atleast you accept that the US's track record isnt that great either.[/QUOTE]
Jesus you are like, a talking fallacy.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;37245077]Yeah man it's so much better to live under a regime that gained and held it's power through mass murder and terror tactics.
I'm sure deep down, under all the bodies and rubble, they're all very nice people.[/QUOTE]
I could say the same about the US. And Im sure the US has killed more innocent civilians directly and through shady groups/uncalled for sanctions than the Taliban. Once again dont be naive. Like I said before, the Taliban were actually considered heroes by your government when they first appeared to the scene (for rule) in 1999. You'd think first world nations like KSA and UAE would open up embassy relations with a state that the US hates?
It was only after things got sour with business, that the US decided, you know what, we dont need them. Isnt it funny that the KSA has almost similar treatment of its citizens like the Taliban did. The Taliban model is actually very close to the Iran/KSA model. Yet, you dont find economic sanctions placed on KSA because of "gross womens rights records".
Whats the deciding factor, you know it, everyone knows it. But its too commonly used, and its lost its weight, even though its a fact.
[QUOTE=C47;37245137]I could say the same about the US. And Im sure the US has killed more innocent civilians directly and through shady groups/uncalled for sanctions than the Taliban. Once again dont be naive. Like I said before, the Taliban were actually considered heroes by your government when they first appeared to the scene (for rule) in 1999. You'd think first world nations like KSA and UAE would open up embassy relations with a state that the US hates?
It was only after things got sour with business, that the US decided, you know what, we dont need them. Isnt it funny that the KSA has almost similar treatment of its citizens like the Taliban did. The Taliban model is actually very close to the Iran/KSA model. Yet, you dont find economic sanctions placed on KSA because of "gross womens rights records".
Whats the deciding factor, you know it, everyone knows it. But its too commonly used, and its lost its weight, even though its a fact.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;5hfYJsQAhl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0[/video]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245080]How am I believing everything the media says? I get all my knowledge through self learning, not listening to what Pat or Bill or Bob or whatever the fuck on the nightly news said.
What? Are you retarded? I've heard the whole spectrum from the holocaust was evil to it was a conspiracy, know what I think?
A lot of fucking people died for no god damn reason.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245080]I don't get this.[/QUOTE]
Then this talk isnt for you. You just know to repeat words like a parrot from what you read on hate websites/forums.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245080]
The Taliban had complete control of Afghanistan before we invaded, we helped the Northern Alliance retake their country.
Do I need to go over my history lesson again.[/QUOTE]
LMAO, please go over your history lesson. Are you american btw? Seems those youtube videos about americans sucking at history/geography arent that far off. :v:
[QUOTE=C47;37245161]LMAO, please go over your history lesson. Are you american btw? Seems those youtube videos about americans sucking at history/geography arent that far off. :v:[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah you go, attack people based on nationality, that'll [I]really[/I] prove your point.
What right does a country with over a quarter of its population not voting have to teach other countries about democracy using huge fucking tanks and guys with guns and body armor?
You know what the sane parts of the world do to develop democracy? They have their own fucking revolution and then write a constitution.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;37245191]Oh yeah you go, attack people based on nationality, that'll [I]really[/I] prove your point.[/QUOTE]
Ok my bad, I shouldnt sink to that level :P
I apologize.
[QUOTE=C47;37245161]Then this talk isnt for you. You just know to repeat words like a parrot from what you read on hate websites/forums.
LMAO, please go over your history lesson. Are you american btw? Seems those youtube videos about americans sucking at history/geography arent that far off.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Americans are all uneducated who do not know geography because you have no idea what you are talking about. Despite our points having been backed up by factual sources and yours by (at the most) biased pundits with the purpose of trying to create a frenzy, and despite us agreeing the US is not perfect but the Taliban is worse, you have blatantly continued to bull head with your mind numbingly stupid argument. You have done nothing to contribute this conversation, and I think that every post your make not only marks this thread as where brain cells come to die, but beat the marks of some one who has no idea what they are speaking of to the point that I believe you have only exposed yourself to RussiaToday for ten years and then decided to get into a political discussion. Get off this forum, your opinions are shit and no one will miss them.
[QUOTE=C47;37245137]I could say the same about the US. And Im sure the US has killed more innocent civilians directly and through shady groups/uncalled for sanctions than the Taliban.[/QUOTE]
I love how you put forth evidence.
[QUOTE=C47;37245137] Once again dont be naive. Like I said before, the Taliban were actually considered heroes by your government when they first appeared to the scene (for rule) in 1999. [/QUOTE]
You never considered the fact that like people, government can change their opinions? Usually it's for arbitrary reasons as well.
[QUOTE=C47;37245137]You'd think first world nations like KSA and UAE would open up embassy relations with a state that the US hates?[/QUOTE]
Possibly, but I don't have the facts. Like you too, but I'm trying to play the whole middle man part of the argument instead of veering off into outer fucking space.
[QUOTE=C47;37245137]It was only after things got sour with business, that the US decided, you know what, we dont need them.[/QUOTE]
It was also after the fact they were harboring terrorists, but whatever you know history right?
[QUOTE=C47;37245137]Isnt it funny that the KSA has almost similar treatment of its citizens like the Taliban did.[/QUOTE]
I know Saudi Arabia has a bad track record, but here you are again saying shit without trying to support yourself.
[QUOTE=C47;37245137]The Taliban model is actually very close to the Iran/KSA model. Yet, you dont find economic sanctions placed on KSA because of "gross womens rights records".[/QUOTE]
But it's not exact. Another reason is because were buddy buddy with them for oil. I know this full well knowing it isn't right, however we can't delve in every fucking countries affairs.
[QUOTE=C47;37245137]Whats the deciding factor, you know it, everyone knows it. But its too commonly used, and its lost its weight, even though its a fact.[/QUOTE]
What are you trying to get at here?
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37245203] exposed yourself to RussiaToday for ten years and then decided to get into a political discussion. Get off this forum, your opinions are shit and no one will miss them.[/QUOTE]
Oh nice, finally worded reply, still cant call it a proper one though.
RT didnt exist 10 years ago, afaik. Let me look that up
Edit: yeah it started off in 2005. Fail much Pinky? :v:
[QUOTE=prooboo;37245200]What right does a country with over a quarter of its population not voting have to teach other countries about democracy using huge fucking tanks and guys with guns and body armor?
You know what the sane parts of the world do to develop democracy? They have their own fucking revolution and then write a constitution.[/QUOTE]
You are right revolutions are completely bloodless.
And this is about Afghanistan, we did not invade Afghanistan to install democracy. But hey looking through the rest of your posts, you are at least consistent with your blatant attempts at hate mongering and spreading obviously false and silly information to probably make some obscene point that you are the [I]edgy[/I] and [I]special[/I] kid who can go FUK DEH US and be serious no matter how much of a retard you look in the process.
I honestly think the stupidity of you and people like you in this thread has ruined my night simply because I know somewhere, there are elitist ass holes like you who think they actually have some sort of semblance of a clue of what the fuck is happening around in the world and will smugly tell others how much better they are from the other side of the computer.
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[QUOTE=C47;37245238]Oh nice, finally worded reply, still cant call it a proper one though.
RT didnt exist 10 years ago, afaik. Let me look that up
Edit: yeah it started off in 2005. Fail much Pinky? :v:[/QUOTE]
Amazing, I was three years off, how much of a failure I was. If you still could not get the message of what I was saying, and instead try to just cherry pick that off than you some how break the stupid meter and enter some sort of horrible zone where a blithering mess that I assume was an attempt to break down what I was saying because I was three years off is acceptable.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245237]I love how you put forth evidence.[/QUOTE]
I was bringing forth evidence. But then I noticed non of you guys care to post evidence in your replies (after my big reply on page4), so why should I bother.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245237]It was also after the fact they were harboring terrorists, but whatever you know history right?[/QUOTE]
There were sanctions for that too. Which is why I clearly implied that there were sanctions on the Taliban for human right issues too. Guess your having a hard time concentrating :v:
[QUOTE=C47;37245161]Then this talk isnt for you. You just know to repeat words like a parrot from what you read on hate websites/forums.[/QUOTE]
I love how you stoop to conclusions when you have no viable methods of an argument left, makes you look good.
[QUOTE=C47;37245161]LMAO, please go over your history lesson. Are you american btw? Seems those youtube videos about americans sucking at history/geography arent that far off. :v:[/QUOTE]
Wow. Just because I'm an American I don't know what is going on around me? Even though I grew up watching this and Iraq turn into firestorms of controversy and knew why and how.
You're one dense mother fucker.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37245252]Amazing, I was three years off, how much of a failure I was. If you still could not get the message of what I was saying, and instead try to just cherry pick that off than you some how break the stupid meter and enter some sort of horrible zone where a blithering mess that I assume was an attempt to break down what I was saying because I was three years off is acceptable.[/QUOTE]
I gave it another try to read your post. But stopped at the first line. Rest is pretty much gibberish and moaning not worth replying to. Plus I gotta reply fast to keep up the pace :v:
[QUOTE=C47;37245297]I gave it another try to read your post. But stopped at the first line. Rest is pretty much gibberish and moaning not worth replying to. Plus I gotta reply fast to keep up the pace :v:[/QUOTE]
Since you apparently read at a fourth grade level ([IMG]http://i.imgur.com/aedOK.png[/IMG]) and thus can not comprehend anything I said I will sum it up. You are a jack ass with no idea what he is talking about.
[video=youtube;uIxNLcPyvEA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxNLcPyvEA[/video]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245286]I love how you stoop to conclusions when you have no viable methods of an argument left, makes you look good.[/QUOTE]
Its not about having no arguments. But when you dont have a clue of whats being talked about, I aint gonna be your history teacher or hold your hand to guide you through my argument. Sorry, I tend to reply properly to well constructed arguments and people who can follow up on that.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245286]Wow. Just because I'm an American I don't know what is going on around me? Even though I grew up watching this and Iraq turn into firestorms of controversy and knew why and how.
You're one dense mother fucker.[/QUOTE]
I already said sorry for that, but hey, nothing new coming from you :v:
I am leaving this thread now, any more posts and I think I might actually start believing what you say from the loss of brain cells.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37245324]I am leaving this thread now, any more posts and I think I might actually start believing what you say from the loss of brain cells.[/QUOTE]
Ran out of videos and rants? :v:
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37245252]You are right revolutions are completely bloodless.[/quote]
That's not what I'm sayimg. I'm saying that our attempts to establish a real government without having any pro us cia puppets like karzai are pointlessly bad. Afghanistan is fucked up because of us and we're still doing the exact same thing we've been doing for the last 30 years. They're not economically there yet
[Quote](lengthy dissertation about buttmadedness).[/QUOTE]
Woah bro chill
[QUOTE=C47;37245276]I was bringing forth evidence. But then I noticed non of you guys care to post evidence in your replies (after my big reply on page4), so why should I bother.[/quote]
You mean where you brought up shit about Israel, The wars in the Balkans, and other miscellaneous shit when we're on Afghanistan. How do these factor in?
"Oh you support this so this isn't that bad." This is the basic premise for your argument
It's one thing to know something is bad, it's another to support it. Do I support Israel and what it does, even though that is not the fucking matter here? NO. This is about Afghanistan god fucking dammit.
[QUOTE=C47;37245276]There were sanctions for that too. Which is why I clearly implied that there were sanctions on the Taliban for human right issues too. Guess your having a hard time concentrating :v:[/QUOTE]
...
Are you god damn serious man?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245339]You mean where you brought up shit about Israel, The wars in the Balkans, and other miscellaneous shit when we're on Afghanistan. How do these factor in?
"Oh you support this so this isn't that bad." This is the basic premise for your argument[/QUOTE]
It was about the US being godly angels like Mr. Someone stated, which he then retracted. Hence the need to point out the terrorist activities of Israel, indiscriminate bombing of NATO etc.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245339]It's one thing to know something is bad, it's another to support it. [/QUOTE]
Im not supporting evil. Im not supporting any form of innocent civilian killing whether its the US/Taliban/Massoud/whoever. Im against it. Just fyi :P
too much stupid
going to close this thread
forever
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so much stupid..
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so much
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[QUOTE=C47;37245320][b]Its not about having no arguments. But when you dont have a clue of whats being talked about, I aint gonna be your history teacher or hold your hand to guide you through my argument. Sorry, I tend to reply properly to well constructed arguments and people who can follow up on that.[/b][/QUOTE]
Wow. What else do you want me to say other then get the fuck out?
How can you say you've done any of this when you completely derailed a story about Afghanistan and inject your biases into an argument?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245374]Wow. What else do you want me to say other then get the fuck out?
How can you say you've done any of this when you completely derailed a story about Afghanistan and inject your biases into an argument?[/QUOTE]
Israel and the balkans seem pretty important to US foreign policy and Islamic-US relations in the last 50 years
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245374]Wow. What else do you want me to say other then get the fuck out?[/QUOTE]
You can say whatever you want like the other two monkeys who have been posting crap. But its not going to matter, your credibility is hardly anything given your inability to think through. Eg:
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245080]I don't get this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245237]What are you trying to get at here?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37245374]How can you say you've done any of this when you completely derailed a story about Afghanistan and inject your biases into an argument?[/QUOTE]
I didnt de-rail it, just pointing out counter arguments to common media propaganda, which was posted in this thread.
[QUOTE=C47;37245392]You can say whatever you want like the other two monkeys who have been posting crap. But its not going to matter, your credibility is hardly anything given your inability to think through.
I didnt de-rail it, just pointing out counter arguments to common media propaganda, which was posted in this thread.[/QUOTE]
You are one to talk about credibility internet idiot.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37245426]You are one to talk about credibility internet idiot.[/QUOTE]
I thought you left. Welcome back, I see you still have nothing new to contribute :v:
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