Corbyn does not need to get nominated by MPs again, Labour's NEC rules - Polidicks

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699441]there's a difference between advertisting your party on rampant overspending (which corbyn does not do) and accepting the fact that austerity does not work[/QUOTE] You mean like Corbyn's plan to print money to pay for nationalisation?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699431]I'm not talking about the financial crisis, that's a separate issue, I'm saying you can't advertise your party on rampant overspending otherwise you'll never win voters confidence.[/QUOTE] well clearly then you have no idea about the policies you apparently are so against. since when was corbyn advertising rampant overspending, and why should anything but austerity be looked down upon? austerity doesn't work.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699444]You mean like Corbyn's plan to print money to pay for nationalisation?[/QUOTE]Quantitative easing is basic monetary policy, his alternative just doesn't wholly focus on banks also nationalisation has huge public support [url]https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/nationalise-energy-and-rail-companies-say-public/[/url]

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699461]Quantitative easing is basic monetary policy, his alternative just doesn't wholly focus on banks also nationalisation has huge public support [url]https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/nationalise-energy-and-rail-companies-say-public/[/url][/QUOTE] Nationalisation of the railways does, it's also fairly cheap, but Corbyn wants to go beyond that and it would cost the country billions.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699482]Nationalisation of the railways does, it's also fairly cheap, but Corbyn wants to go beyond that and it would cost the country billions.[/QUOTE]his only official nationalisation policy is rail, which we already subsidize more than we ever have

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699492]his only official nationalisation policy is rail, which we already subsidies more than we ever have[/QUOTE] He's hinted at more than just that, of course he doesn't really lay out his policy much which is another reason why he isn't very good.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699482]Nationalisation of the railways does, it's also fairly cheap, but Corbyn wants to go beyond that and it would cost the country billions.[/QUOTE] The way you toss about phrases like "printing money" and "rampant overspending" makes me assume you don't have a full understanding of economic policy and that you're just parroting something you read in a paper. The policies you're attacking have support from renowned economists and, crucially, support from the public (especially in regards to nationalisation) - austerity policy has neither (well, perhaps a few economists, but it's a proven failure and readily debunked with little effort).

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699505]He's hinted at more than just that, of course he doesn't really lay out his policy much which is another reason why he isn't very good.[/QUOTE]what's he hinted at? energy companies? he's dropped that. even then, it has more public support than nationalisating rail. [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] the main issue i have with corbyn is that he is bad at getting his message across and needs a proper media team to provide his platform, this would be easier of course without the constant leaking & undermining from his own MPs but there's still stuff his team can improve upon his actual policies are popular with the general public, it's just difficult to get the message out, and of all the things to critique the economic policies he's presenting are the least worthy of critique. john mcdonnell has done a fantastic job with these lectures [URL]http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/the-new-economics[/URL] but more needs to be done. a better speaker and leader would be great of course but you have to deal with what you've got.. someone like clive lewis or someone from the 2015 intake would be great but they're still all too new.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699521]what's he hinted at? energy companies? he's dropped that. even then, it has more public support than nationalisating rail. [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] the main issue i have with corbyn is that he is bad at getting his message across and needs a proper media team to provide his platform, this would be easier of course without the constant leaking & undermining from his own MPs but there's still stuff his team can improve upon his actual policies are popular with the general public, it's just difficult to get the message out, and of all the things to critique the economic policies he's presenting are the least worthy of critique. john mcdonnell has done a fantastic job with these lectures [URL]http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/the-new-economics[/URL] but more needs to be done. a better speaker and leader would be great of course but you have to deal with what you've got.. someone like clive lewis or someone from the 2015 intake would be great but they're still all too new.[/QUOTE] It doesn't really matter if he's dropped it, he's already destroyed everyones confidence. He just isn't popular at all. Part of being leader is gaining the confidence of the public, which so far Corbyn has failed to do.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699613]It doesn't really matter if he's dropped it, he's already destroyed everyones confidence. He just isn't popular at all. Part of being leader is gaining the confidence of the public, which so far Corbyn has failed to do.[/QUOTE]and the PLP hasn't also been doing the same for the past 6 years?

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699697]and the PLP hasn't also been doing the same for the past 6 years?[/QUOTE] Well there's different levels of failure, Corbyn is on the more catastrophic end of that.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699708]Well there's different levels of failure, Corbyn is on the more catastrophic end of that.[/QUOTE]what does that make the people who look even worse in comparison to him

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699713]what does that make the people who look even worse in comparison to him[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone is worse than him, he's pretty much at rock bottom in terms of overall public opinion, 30% in the polls is pretty much the worst it can get for labour.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699723]I don't think anyone is worse than him, he's pretty much at rock bottom in terms of overall public opinion, 30% in the polls is pretty much the worst it can get for labour.[/QUOTE]yet they can't motivate people enough to vote for a candidate who isn't as obviously terrible, labour made the mess themselves over the past decade

Labour has to get back to it's roots of being for the fucking workers, when they do that and the people believe them, they'll walk into power. Pissing about with the Conservative for Tory voters is going to get them no where becuase the working class voted for everyone else (UKIP, SNP) or they did not vote at all. Despite his faults, Corbyn is the only one i feel that understands this. He is vocal about the inequality in this country and how people are being fucked by the system, everyone else pretends it don't exist. Everyone who opposes him right now should just don the blue tie and stop masqerading as something they're not.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50698802]They're not overruling the will of "the people" they're overruling hard left nutters who don't know when to back down.[/QUOTE] Corbyn isn't really hard left. Definately left but reprivatising the trains isn't exactly radical - if thats radical left then britain a few decades ago was radical left which it certainly wasn't. He's only considered far left because the "centre" has shifted to be very very far right economically.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699708]Well there's different levels of failure, Corbyn is on the more catastrophic end of that.[/QUOTE] Really? What has he actually failed at? Man hasn't had a chance to rack up the kind of catastrophic mess that Blair and Brown left us.