[QUOTE=Tayg0;29154379]Actually, his assessment is pretty good. Except for the fact that orgornot is giving dumb ratings to every post made by those who disagree'd with him, without actually paying attention to the content of the post. So really all it implies is that orgornot is a child.[/QUOTE]
Assessment of what though? That companies/developers waste time and money on stopping cheaters online? Exploits and bugs are one thing but hacks are another. Stopping an online hack is just like cutting off an octopus' tentacle. It will just regrow it. You have to aim for the head. Kind of what Sony is doing right now.
[QUOTE=MrFearenheit;29153891]You act as if the likes of Geo and Chokolo are in the same group as those who release trainers. Point being, they're far from similar.[/QUOTE]
he wasn't even talking about Egohot and Graf then you tool. He was specifically stating that idiots who use the exploits Geohot found to pirate, cheat and otherwise lower the user experience for others are the reason no sane company would ever open up a console like that.
[QUOTE=Fetret;29154610]And you rated the rest dumb because you cannot understand the content and context and therefore think the poster is dumb.[/QUOTE]
I did not rate all of them dumb. So I only rated the ones I thought were dumb. Sony really needs to and has the right to do this because it affects the rest of the people who want to play normally. He doesn't seem to understand that
[QUOTE=MrFearenheit;29154214]I was suggesting that companies fix problems in their games and he called that dumb. It's common sense, "bro".[/QUOTE]
Yeah you try and convince activision to fix the CoD4, W@W, MW2 and Black Ops servers, oh wait, they won't. They don't care. It is largely these games being cheated in, the developers do not give a single damn.
Plus Sony can't exactly fix the piracy thing without causing issues with older software.
[QUOTE=orgornot;29154672]I did not rate all of them dumb. So I only rated the ones I thought were dumb. Sony really needs to and has the right to do this because it affects the rest of the people who want to play normally. He doesn't seem to understand that[/QUOTE]
Sony doesn't have the right to do anything with the hardware I bought and the capabilities and features it came advertised with. Sure there are a lot of fancy legal ways, rules, guidelines and millennium acts that allow them to bury people with court costs or simply make their lives miserable, but there is no right here.
The only problem I see here is just focusing on Sony. This crackdown on hacking (in the true sense of the word not some 20$ Trainer Aimbot hacking) is becoming more and more prevalent, which is quite worrisome.
[QUOTE=orgornot;29154672]I did not rate all of them dumb. So I only rated the ones I thought were dumb. Sony really needs to and has the right to do this because it affects the rest of the people who want to play normally. He doesn't seem to understand that[/QUOTE]
...So there is this thing called a disagree rating.
[QUOTE=Datsun;29154665]Assessment of what though? That companies/developers waste time and money on stopping cheaters online? Exploits and bugs are one thing but hacks are another. Stopping an online hack is just like cutting off an octopus' tentacle. It will just regrow it. You have to aim for the head. Kind of what Sony is doing right now.[/QUOTE]
Or you can just leave it to the server to kick or ban the cheating/hacking player instead of relying on easily exploited anti-cheat systems.
[QUOTE=Fetret;29154761]Sony doesn't have the right to do anything with the hardware I bought and the capabilities and features it came advertised with.[/quote]
Neither do you technically have the right to do anything to the software Sony owns but there's plenty of people who do just that!
[quote]The only problem I see here is just focusing on Sony. This crackdown on hacking (in the true sense of the word not some 20$ Trainer Aimbot hacking) is becoming more and more prevalent, which is quite worrisome.[/QUOTE]
Worrisome? A bunch of guys fuck Sony's console to oblivion and they're not allowed to stop it?
[QUOTE=Fetret;29154761]Sony doesn't have the right to do anything with the hardware I bought and the capabilities and features it came advertised with. Sure there are a lot of fancy legal ways, rules, guidelines and millennium acts that allow them to bury people with court costs or simply make their lives miserable, but there is no right here.
The only problem I see here is just focusing on Sony. This crackdown on hacking (in the true sense of the word not some 20$ Trainer Aimbot hacking) is becoming more and more prevalent, which is quite worrisome.[/QUOTE]
Technically, they aren't stopping you doing anything with the hardware. You can do whatever you want to the hardware and they won't care as just modifying the hardware itself doesn't affect their other users. When you start messing with their software (GameOS, which you [B]do not[/B] own), they are well within their right to remove your rights to certain things. They removed OtherOS because of Geohot gaining access to the HV if I recall, which would have given him access to the software esaily enough eventually. It was a dick move to remove it, but only a minimal portion of their userbase actually used it, and most of those people wouldn't update their consoles as they didn't use it for much else.
The people who say they are fighting the good fight against Sony and their "tyranny" don't give a single fuck about OtherOS, they hopped on the bandwagon when sony started attacking developers this way, when the OtherOS hacks get released I bet almost none of these people will use it. A lot of them just use the CFW to run the small amount of applications that aren't backup managers, pirate, or just generally be a pain in the ass online. The people who actually care about OtherOS are busy working on it, trying to help where they can, not arguing with people and insulting those who disagree.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;29154809]Worrisome? A bunch of guys fuck Sony's console to oblivion and they're not allowed to stop it?[/QUOTE]
The appropriate outcome of this situation would be for Sony to realize how flawed and exploitable their anti cheat and banning system is, and remove it.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;29154809]Neither do you technically have the right to do anything to the software Sony owns but there's plenty of people who do just that!
Worrisome? A bunch of guys fuck Sony's console to oblivion and they're not allowed to stop it?[/QUOTE]
Yes quite simply put. They are not or at least should not be allowed to do anything. I have every right to do anything I wish with the system I own, which I paid with my own money. I should even be allowed to crack it open, lube the system up and literally fuck it if it tickles my fancy.
[QUOTE=Fetret;29154893]Yes quite simply put. They are not or at least should not be allowed to do anything. I have every right to do anything I wish with the system I own, which I paid with my own money. I should even be allowed to crack it open, lube the system up and literally fuck it if it tickles my fancy.[/QUOTE]
Neither are YOU allowed to touch the OS that SONY made and SONY owns the rights to.
It's quite perplexing honestly to see how people think that consoles should be able to get hacked to shit without any repercussions from the manufacturer yet get all defensive/pissy/whiny when the manufacturer attempts to stop it on the grounds of 'i bought it so it's mine, do whatever bla bla bla'.
Seriously, it's childish attitudes like that (along with the hacks and such) that are preventing them from achieving the very goal they strive for!
[QUOTE=Loen;29154888]The appropriate outcome of this situation would be for Sony to realize how flawed and exploitable their anti cheat and banning system is, and remove it.[/QUOTE]
Fuck CFW, they should listen to you!
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;29154964]Neither are YOU allowed to touch the OS that SONY made and SONY owns the rights to.
It's quite perplexing honestly to see how people think that consoles should be able to get hacked to shit without any repercussions from the manufacturer yet get all defensive/pissy/whiny when the manufacturer attempts to stop it on the grounds of 'i bought it so it's mine, do whatever bla bla bla'.
Seriously, it's childish attitudes like that (along with the hacks and such) that are preventing them from achieving the very goal they strive for![/QUOTE]
This is a slippery slope, since the PS3's are sold with the firmware/OS preinstalled.
Sure he's not allowed to duplicate and spread it, but since it's bundled with the hardware at purchase then we're reaching a iffy situation with this, with whoever owns it and the rights for updates since it's still a legit purchased OS/firmware.
One could easily ague that it's the same deal with OS on computers as with consoles, especially since consoles are reaching a point where they're almost becoming computers that's designed with games in mind.
So they're basically limiting a customer from doing things the consoles easily can, especially since ideally it should be the game publishers/developers/distributors handling the piracy & cheating/hacking issue.
And I base my post on how the laws are in Europe, don't know about the US on that point.
Can we get a non-biased source?
Seriously, the last time(Not the settlment) but PSXscene spoke about how they only had a post linking Geohot to an online account when in fact they had gotten the MAC address of the PS3 used to register the account and it was one that he owned.
[QUOTE=Van-man;29157594]This is a slippery slope, since the PS3's are sold with the firmware/OS preinstalled.
Sure he's not allowed to duplicate and spread it, but since it's bundled with the hardware at purchase then we're reaching a iffy situation with this, with whoever owns it and the rights for updates since it's still a legit purchased OS/firmware.
One could easily ague that it's the same deal with OS on computers as with consoles, especially since consoles are reaching a point where they're almost becoming computers that's designed with games in mind.
So they're basically limiting a customer from doing things the consoles easily can, especially since ideally it should be the game publishers/developers/distributors handling the piracy & cheating/hacking issue.
And I base my post on how the laws are in Europe, don't know about the US on that point.[/QUOTE]
We only own a licence to use the OS, not to modify or redistribute it/ modifications to it. When you buy the console you buy the right to use the OS, and the hardware.
[QUOTE=Van-man;29154602]It's not because Sony has scared the legitimate one's shitless :rolleyes:
Nope, not at all.[/QUOTE]
No one was ever working on restoring the OtherOS. Some of the first things that came out after fail0verflow published the keys were custom firmwares, :airquote:backup:airquote: managers, and emulators.
Out of all the illegal content you can install with the CFW, AsbestOS (which is just a Linux kernel bootloader, not even a full Linux distro) is the only even remotely OtherOS-related project that has added anything to restore the OtherOS feature.
[QUOTE=MrFearenheit;29153453]How exactly does linux put them at risk? [/QUOTE]
um it's obvious, linux is used by hackers, everyone knows that............
remove linux = stop hackers
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;29157926]um it's obvious, linux is used by hackers, everyone knows that............
remove linux = stop hackers[/QUOTE]
...I can't tell what level of serious you're operating under here.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29151249]I'm not buying anything made by sony, I'm boycotting their shit.
In fact everyone else should boycott them.[/QUOTE]
Buy an Xbox360
Our mw2 lobbies are full of hackers and modded gamertags with public modded lobbies.
It's almost like PC and everyone is 10th prestige.
[QUOTE=lavacano;29157967]...I can't tell what level of serious you're operating under here.[/QUOTE]
110%
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;29157864]Out of all the illegal content you can install with the CFW, AsbestOS (which is just a Linux kernel bootloader, not even a full Linux distro) is the only even remotely OtherOS-related project that has added anything to restore the OtherOS feature.[/QUOTE]
you only really need 1 linux bootloader, you cant just shit them out willy nilly unlike pirate managers, and there are distros for it
[QUOTE=lavacano;29157967]...I can't tell what level of serious you're operating under here.[/QUOTE]
TheHydra:
As in, I can't tell if he's joking or he actually believes what he posted. No need for insults.
Keep on going, Sony. All it's going to do is get more and more people to hate you.
:c Geohots case has just made me lose all respect for Sony. Honestly, I'm going to try to not buy another Sony item.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;29151627]Well since sony can't fix their hardware bug, they need to eliminate the ones who mess with it.
Just shows that if you're a person, you mean jack shit and companies can do anything they please.
Yay capitalism.[/QUOTE]
Sigh, please, do go on. Tell me how them having the legal right to do this or what intellectual property rights has anything to do with capitalism.
People need to understand that intellectual property rights aren't compatible with a free society, they're [b]laws[/b] that are impossible to enforce without trampling the rights of a lot of people.
You want to stop Sony? I don't, Sony is pretty bad but people can be far worse given the authority to do so. This is a problem with the law, not with Sony, it's a problem with all the past, present and future assholes who will fuck you in the ass with the authority the government has granted them. Giving enough power to any one group of people will always end up the same way, somebody will abuse it. You want to weigh the benefits of the law with the potential for harm and abuse under that same law. They aren't proportionate, not even close.
Fuck intellectual property.
[QUOTE=Mikesword221;29150633]Sony is seriously acting like huge dicks right now.[/QUOTE]
What an understatement, they're acting like a spoiled five year old with a temper tantrum.
ha. i've got a sony laptop. i changed and installed software hope they sue me
I dont think you people seem to understand. You are not allowed to modify the ps3 software, and this guy was creating tools for people to do these illegal activities and thus Sony got a court order and raided and removed anything from the house that may contain these illegal programs. Hopefully these silly 1337 haxxers will learn to stop doing this shit. These tools and programs cause damages to Sony.
[editline]14th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;29157718]We only own a licence to use the OS, not to modify or redistribute it/ modifications to it. When you buy the console you buy the right to use the OS, and the hardware.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Windows OS is the same and so are many programs such as 3dsmax. You own a license not the program itself.
[QUOTE=s0beit;29162600].
Giving enough power to any one group of people will always end up the same way, somebody will abuse it.[/QUOTE]
The funny thing is that this can also easily be said of console hackers.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;29165134]The funny thing is that this can also easily be said of console hackers.[/QUOTE]
Well he did say any group of people.
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