[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45919903]Depression Quest beat out Papers Please
the judges were friends of zoe quinn and phil fish[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.igf.com/02finalists.html[/url] it did?
edit: you might be referring to another contest but i thought this was referring to igf
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45919903]Depression Quest beat out Papers Please
the judges were friends of zoe quinn and phil fish[/QUOTE]
in this instance it is fez and the continuing misadventures of phillard fish
can someone help me understand what law was allegedly broken because nothing they talk about makes sense
As I said earlier, this falls under RICO and can be prosecuted by the FBI if it's true. The person who compiled the information has already reached out to the FBI before telling others, so we'll know for sure once the feds respond.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45919973]can someone help me understand what law was allegedly broken because nothing they talk about makes sense[/QUOTE]
IGF funds polytron. Fez won in 2008. IGF funded a game and their game won.
I misspoke about DQ
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45919973]can someone help me understand what law was allegedly broken because nothing they talk about makes sense[/QUOTE]
People With Games (And Financial Stake In Said Games) In Contest With Huge Cash Prize And Benefits Also Determine Who Wins Said Contest
Ex:
[Quote] RICO also permits a private individual harmed by the actions of such racketeers to file a civil suit; if successful, the individual can collect treble damages (damages in triple the amount of actual/compensatory damages)[/quote]
Anyone who feels the judges wrongly judged the games could file a civil suit.
This isn't just Patreon donations people are alleging, the allegation is that this is actual investment in that they gave money and received a percentage of profits back.
[QUOTE=Reimu;45919982]As I said earlier, this falls under RICO and can be prosecuted by the FBI if it's true. The person who compiled the information has already reached out to the FBI before telling others, so we'll know for sure once the feds respond.[/QUOTE]
this has nothing to do with RICO... RICO is used to take down criminal leaders who order crimes to be committed, sounds more like embezzlement to me
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45919973]can someone help me understand what law was allegedly broken because nothing they talk about makes sense[/QUOTE]
A group of people invested in a game company, the same people then acted as judges for the most well known indie award which their game won, it's pretty simple.
[quote]RICO predicate offenses
[...]
Any act of bribery, [...] fraud [...] racketeering [...] and many other offenses covered under the Federal criminal code (Title 18);[/quote]
And for fraud, from Wiki:
[quote]In common law jurisdictions, as a criminal offence, fraud takes many different forms, some general (e.g., theft by false pretense) and some specific to particular categories of victims or misconduct (e.g., bank fraud, insurance fraud, forgery).[/quote]
[editline]7th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920021]this has nothing to do with RICO... RICO is used to take down criminal leaders who order crimes to be committed, sounds more like embezzlement to me[/QUOTE]
No. That was the original purpose but any actions that fall under RICO's umbrella can be prosecuted, especially in a civil suit. In fact there's an extremely long history of RICO being used outside of organized crime, from MLB scandals to health care kickbacks. If the MLB can be prosecuted under RICO, so can Indie Fund.
Doesn't have to be organized crime.
[QUOTE=Eonart;45918995]This is also giving me flashbacks to Amy's Bakery that Ramsey went to. I remember people started to believe that Amy and her husband were on some money laundering scheme and when you think about it, Phil's loud, insane behavior is actually quite similar.[/QUOTE]
actually one of the places he went to that was in "dire" straights actually was laundering money it was the austrailian guy with the weigo burgers and the printed up stock certificates, pretty much everything they told ramsey was a lie
oh man i hope they get the shit sued out of them
[QUOTE=No_0ne;45920075]oh man i hope they get the shit sued out of them[/QUOTE]
Once the info is confirmed, I'm expecting some sort of class action lawsuit.
I think a lot of devs will be nervous, but a good portion of contestants (who paid money to enter these damn things) will throw their hands up in the air and say, "Fuck it, I'm tired of this shit."
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920021]this has nothing to do with RICO... RICO is used to take down criminal leaders who order crimes to be committed, sounds more like embezzlement to me[/QUOTE]
No.
Rico law is a form of case law that allows all conspirators to be tried for the same crime.
It evolved out of that, but it is not about that.
So basically IGF helped start up FEZ and would get a % from each sale once it released? So it's obviously in their interest to slap as many medals on it as possible to help sell more copies, right?
It's a shame AntiChamber is in this mess too, I fucking LOVE AntiChamber.
Nice and all but apparently Jonathan Blow set up Indie Fund after his period as IGF judge.
Judge these videos with a bit more scrutiny.
[quote]We have some interesting facts to disseminate for the public interest. In 2009 Philippe Poisson received investment money for Polytron Corporation in the form of a loan from several influential people.
Ron Carmel of 2D Boy
Nathan Vella of Capybara Studios
Aaron Isaksen of AppAbove
Kellee Santiago of OUYA, formerly of thatgamecompany, and IndieCade
Jonathan Blow of EGW
Kyle Gabler of 2D Boy
Matthew Wegner of Flashbang Studios[/quote]
[quote]In 2011, the Independent Games Festival (or IGF) had 5 members of Indie Fund on the finalists panel, and 3 members of Polytron's staff.[/quote]
No one said anything about Jonathan Blow being at IGF that year? He helped start Indie Fund, which later had 5 people on the IGF panel in 2011. No one ever said Blow was there that year.
I'll admit I haven't watched the video yet but I was there during the twitch announcement and no one ever said "Blow was a judge that year."
i guess i'm just not seeing what part of this is illegal
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[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920163]i guess i'm just not seeing what part of this is illegal[/QUOTE]
it is a rigged competition with a considerable cash prize, which as far as i am aware is illegal as shit
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920163]i guess i'm just not seeing what part of this is illegal[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920163]i guess i'm just not seeing what part of this is illegal[/QUOTE]
if you run a contest, and you administrate that contest, and you fund your own group to win your own contest, and you don't see anything remotely illegal about that?
well, you did say you weren't well versed in the law.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920163]i guess i'm just not seeing what part of this is illegal[/QUOTE]
So funding a game's development, hosting a competition where your game is one of the contenders, then your game winning due to the judges either having had a hand in the game's development or it's funding, isn't the slightest bit shady?
Thousands of dollars traded hands due to this corrupt deal, but nope, a-okay, nothing illegal going on here.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss]well, you did say you weren't well versed in the law.[/QUOTE]
You don't need to be well versed in the law to understand that rigging a competition is Very Very Bad :v:
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920163]i guess i'm just not seeing what part of this is illegal[/QUOTE]
I think these guys going to jail is pretty bad and tbh I think the FBI will take one look at the IGF and decide not to waste their time but not even I think that this is in any way legal
it is in fact super not legal
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920163]i guess i'm just not seeing what part of this is illegal[/QUOTE]
[quote]Kellee Santiago, in 2009, [b]invested money in Polytron which gave her voting rights in the company and a percentage stake in FEZ's Gross Profits[/b]. In 2011 she became Chair of the Awards Jury of IndieCade. Coincidentally, 2011 was the year that FEZ won two major awards at IndieCade:
Disciplinary Excellence in Story/World Design
General Excellence by Grand Jury (or, their grand prize)
IndieCade works with “hundreds” of jurors to select a winner, where the Chair of the Awards Jury “works closely” with each juror to help them select the right game. We find it suspicious that the Chair of the Awards Jury works closely with the anonymous jurors (some of which may or may not be members of Indie Fund) and has a vested financial interest in one of the games submitted to IndieCade which, interestingly, won their grand prize.
If this is true, then IndieCade is guilty of siphoning funds through ticket sales and sponsorship money as a prize for FEZ, [b]which is then recycled directly back into the pockets of those investors[/b]. Philippe Poisson gets a payday from his buddy investors, and the investors, including Kellee Santiago, get a payday thanks to their loan agreement.[/quote]
Many judges gain personally from allowing FEZ to win, due to financial investment, etc
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920163]i guess i'm just not seeing what part of this is illegal[/QUOTE]
It's pretty much the same thing as a promoter fixing a boxing match.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;45920241]It's pretty much the same thing as a promoter fixing a boxing match.[/QUOTE]
Down to the judges themselves being fixed.
It's as if the referees are all in on this, and everyone gets a pay out if one of the guys beats the other.
say hello to the FBI
hahahaha
[QUOTE=Shadaez;45920163]i guess i'm just not seeing what part of this is illegal[/QUOTE]
People fund Phil Fish
Said people also run IGF
IGF awards also come with monetary awards that they get from ticket sales and stuff
IGF is rigged and ensures Phil wins
IGF pay Phil's company the award money
Because they funded Fish and have a stake in his company they also get part of this money
Basically the people who set up IGF found a way to keep all the prize money they raise.
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