[QUOTE=Psycho9182;45921053]But first we have to see with the feds actually give a shit.[/QUOTE]
Depends, racketeering is racketeering, no matter what industry it happens in. This is an easy enough case, I don't see why they wouldn't go after it for any reason other than "it's just videogames," which has rarely proven a decent enough excuse to keep the feds from making a move.
I would love for someone who believes this is racketeering and is familiar with U.S.C. Title 18 and California PEN 186 to attempt explaining how in a way that actually fits statutory definitions. Internet lawyers have a bad habit of accusing people of conduct in a way that makes sense using general definitions of words or some Wikipedia article, but not what the law actually says. [I]This is not a statement that I believe IndieCade or IGF are innocent of misconduct, this is a statement that racketeering is a more serious offense than can be leveled at people for allegedly failing to be objective in a festival contest.[/I]
I don't think it's racketeering still, I also don't think IGF is totally involved in this.
I do, thought believe it is fraud, and that indiecade is guilty of it.
You have to pay to get nominated, polytron getting prize money means anyone involved in the indie fund gets a payout too (this is part of the agreement), and indiecade is part of the indie fund.
5/12 of the people on the jury that voted in Fez had direct financial ties to it, and the person who organized the voting ALSO had ties.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;45921114]I would love for someone who believes this is racketeering and is familiar with U.S.C. Title 18 and California PEN 186 to attempt explaining how in a way that actually fits statutory definitions. Internet lawyers have a bad habit of accusing people of conduct in a way that makes sense using general definitions of words or some Wikipedia article, but not what the law actually says. [I]This is not a statement that I believe IndieCade or IGF are innocent of misconduct, this is a statement that racketeering is a more serious offense than can be leveled at people for allegedly failing to be objective in a festival contest.[/I][/QUOTE]
Lawyers will see what the actual course of action from here is. In the chance that they are/were colluding, it is actually a form of illegal activity. It is a contest for money that has effects on things outside of the contest, and money exchanges hands. It will be looked upon by the courts as evidence comes to light.
Making a surefire judgement right now is a bit out of reach. But there is definitely a reason to peer into this deeper.
All this drama would make for a good movie
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45921164]All this drama would make for a good movie[/QUOTE]
Gonna be 90 minutes of a bunch of neon haired hipsters angrily typing at their keyboard.
[QUOTE=Psycho9182;45921218]Gonna be 90 minutes of a bunch of neon haired hipsters angrily typing at their keyboard.[/QUOTE]
it'll be a techno action thriller starring Dwayne Johnson as the elusive hacker "4 chins"
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45921164]All this drama would make for a good movie[/QUOTE]
no it wouldnt and you know it
[QUOTE=Crash155;45919586][IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71368030/Reactions/1395699754063.jpg[/IMG]
This is going to be fucking great[/QUOTE]
I thought I was the only one who despised that beard mustache thing of his and that specific expression he made.
I hope the creators of Antichamber didn't do the same thing- they're in the same situation as Phil Fish and that game seriously would have won even without any behind the scenes string pulling.
Now I would normally not defend Phil, but are we even sure he was in on this? I mean they could have just been using him and the Antichamber team, right? I wouldn't imagine they would have had to tell Phil or the Antichamber team the whole rigging the contest thing.
[QUOTE=Psycho9182;45921218]Gonna be 90 minutes of a bunch of neon haired hipsters angrily typing at their keyboard.[/QUOTE]
I meant a movie about the IGF fraud
[editline]7th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Athlias;45921530]Now I would normally not defend Phil, but are we even sure he was in on this? I mean they could have just been using him and the Antichamber team, right? I wouldn't imagine they would have had to tell Phil or the Antichamber team the whole rigging the contest thing.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree. While Phil Fish is possibly guilty in knowing he'd win IGF, he could just be a pawn in the grand scheme of things.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;45921045]doubt the fish is going to get 20 years, i'd say 5 max probs with a decent lawyer[/QUOTE]
lol at the disagrees
yeah guys they're totally going to get the maximum sentence possible
you'd have to defraud way fucking harder to get 20 years on a white collar crime
most of you guys haven't even been alive that long stop and think about how long of a sentence that is
Rod Blagojevich got 14 years for trying to sell a fucking Senate seat ffs
you're all looking way too deep into this and hoping for the imprisonment of a clearly mentally unstable man for upwards of a decade, what is wrong with you people?
[QUOTE=normandie;45921614]you're all looking way too deep into this and hoping for the imprisonment of a clearly mentally unstable man for upwards of a decade, what is wrong with you people?[/QUOTE]
hey dude we're all fucked up we just wanna get rid of the king of fuckups so he can be usurped by one of us
it doesn't really matter, even if he gets a summons at the least, it'll be a very clear sword of damocles for the industry
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;45921648]it doesn't really matter, even if he gets a summons at the least, it'll be a very clear sword of damocles for the industry[/QUOTE]
yeah its really comparable to platos allegory of the cave :words:
[QUOTE=normandie;45921658]yeah its really comparable to platos allegory of the cave :words:[/QUOTE]
Holy fucking shit, Phil, is that you?
[QUOTE=willer;45921271]I hope the creators of Antichamber didn't do the same thing- they're in the same situation as Phil Fish and that game seriously would have won even without any behind the scenes string pulling.[/QUOTE]
it's not like they would have had a choice or even known about it
[QUOTE=Problem;45920773]Jesus christ, it just keeps fucking going. Where does it end? Does it ever end?[/QUOTE]
there is always more, and it's always worse.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;45921114]I would love for someone who believes this is racketeering and is familiar with U.S.C. Title 18 and California PEN 186 to attempt explaining how in a way that actually fits statutory definitions. Internet lawyers have a bad habit of accusing people of conduct in a way that makes sense using general definitions of words or some Wikipedia article, but not what the law actually says. [I]This is not a statement that I believe IndieCade or IGF are innocent of misconduct, this is a statement that racketeering is a more serious offense than can be leveled at people for allegedly failing to be objective in a festival contest.[/I][/QUOTE]
Stop ruining my fantasy of Phil Fish going to prison
I want all the people who disagree with me to go to prison
after all this bullshit, quinnspiracy, gamergate, igf, i just want to crawl up in a ball and hide and wait for indie development to be fun again
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;45922134]after all this bullshit, quinnspiracy, gamergate, igf, i just want to crawl up in a ball and hide and wait for indie development to be fun again[/QUOTE]
There's always Team Meat, Klei Entertainment, that I can name off the top of my head.
hi im new to facepunch
is Shadaez always this dumb?
[QUOTE=lapsus_;45922586]There's always Team Meat, Klei Entertainment, that I can name off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
The uncorrupted guys are too busy making games to care about all this drama.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45919903]Depression Quest beat out Papers Please
the judges were friends of zoe quinn and phil fish[/QUOTE]
rofl, Papers Please is pretty much everything an indie game should be and more
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45922661]The uncorrupted guys are too busy making games to care about all this drama.[/QUOTE]
That's a fun thing about this, you can really see who the real passionate game devs are
Edmund and Tommy are just working on their games as normal and answering questions on tumblr
[QUOTE=lapsus_;45922586]There's always Team Meat, Klei Entertainment, that I can name off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
don't forget devolver
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45922873]don't forget devolver[/QUOTE]
They're more of a publisher now but damn I love Devolver digital games.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;45923062]They're more of a publisher now but damn I love Devolver digital games.[/QUOTE]
They helped many devs to publish their games. They are truly amazing.
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