• UK Soldier Gets Military Cross for Bayonet Charging a Taliban Fighter
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lol how did i know he wouldn't be english
The manx are well known for being crazy. Look at their cats.
[img]http://www.billythefish.com/mediac/400_0/media/Corporal~Jones.jpg[/img] First thing that came to mind.
Me too, but I couldn't find a you tube clip :( Nice find.
Just more proof that a bayonet with some guts behind it is still a viable weapon in the 21st century. British army doctrine is very aggressive. If an officer gives the order to fix bayonets it gets the adrenaline going and it really brings home the reality that it you or them, and you have to kill them in any way you can. It is a great psychological weapon - for increasing the morale of the soldiers, and depleting that of the enemy. The L85A2 isn't the best weapon for bayonet fighting, since it is a bullpup configuration, but if you come round the corner and terry is staring you in the face you can shoot and stab, at the same time. You know he isn't getting up from that. Pistols are are actually available in decent quantities, but they require extra weight and space to carry around. Most officers and nco's will have them, along with drivers, medics and tank crewmen. Because of the types of operations in Afghanistan, pistols are fairly common for anyone who is deemed to require one.
Did he use an one-shot rifle when he used all his ammo on 1 guy? He surely did a brave thing, but the way the article talks about it is kinda strange.
What an awesome guy.
That man deserves "Double Kill" Badge [editline]04:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;17284205]America only handles small island countries like Grenada.[/QUOTE] Please dont start this...
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;17285889]Did he use an one-shot rifle when he used all his ammo on 1 guy? He surely did a brave thing, but the way the article talks about it is kinda strange.[/QUOTE] He either used up his ammunition in a firefight, or the article is wrote badly and he just spent a magazine.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;17285889]Did he use an one-shot rifle when he used all his ammo on 1 guy? He surely did a brave thing, but the way the article talks about it is kinda strange.[/QUOTE] They were probably both behind some sort of cover, and he used up his ammo supressing and then killing one of him. And by use up his ammo, they mean in the mag, not all of the ammo he was carrying, that would be stupid. It only takes around 3-5 seconds for a well trained soldier to reload his rifle, but 3-5 seconds is a lifetime in a close quarters firefight.
Gang raping local children.
[QUOTE=slamex;17284696]"Techinally" america the most obese country in the world. But tell any american that and 9/10 times they'll say "yeah but britain's second" If he says don't go there, don't try and justify it with using "technically" And for the record, being number one doesn't mean they're the best trained soldiers, just means you pour more money into it.[/QUOTE] You can't really say any army is the best to be honest, as there are good and bad soldiers in each; no army can have an entirely well-trained force. Statistically, however, the British army is in fact one of the best if not the best-trained army and most advanced in the world, with also the second-highest military expenditure.
[QUOTE=LordLoss;17286009]They were probably both behind some sort of cover, and he used up his ammo supressing and then killing one of him. And by use up his ammo, they mean in the mag, not all of the ammo he was carrying, that would be stupid. It only takes around 3-5 seconds for a well trained soldier to reload his rifle, but 3-5 seconds is a lifetime in a close quarters firefight.[/QUOTE] I would assume giving some sort of covering fire, not a lot of people are reluctant to charge people with bayonets expect officers for some reason.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;17285889]Did he use an one-shot rifle when he used all his ammo on 1 guy? He surely did a brave thing, but the way the article talks about it is kinda strange.[/QUOTE] I agree. I mean, it's obvious he did do something courageous and deserved the medal, but the wording of the article is odd. I don't get why he was even in the gunfight in the first place.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;17286040]Gang raping local children.[/QUOTE] :wtc:
The Telegraph has a better article, with a fuller account. [quote=Telegraph]Lieutenant James Adamson was awarded the Military Cross after killing two insurgents during close quarter combat in Helmand's notorious "Green Zone". The 24-year-old officer, a member of the 5th battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland, revealed that he shouted "have some of this" before shooting dead a gunman who had just emerged from a maize field. Seconds later and out of ammunition, the lieutenant leapt over a river bank and killed a second insurgent machine-gunner with a single thrust of his bayonet in the man's chest. The officer was one of 145 members of the armed services who last week received awards in the latest Operational Honours list. In a graphic description of the intense fighting in Helmand, the officer told of the moment killed the second fighter. He said: "It was a split second decision. "I either wasted vital seconds changing the magazine on my rifle or went over the top and did it more quickly with the bayonet. "I took the second option. I jumped up over the bank of the river. He was just over the other side, almost touching distance. "We caught each other's eye as I went towards him but by then, for him, it was too late. There was no inner monologue going on in my head I was just reacting in the way that I was trained. "He was alive when it went in – he wasn't alive when it came out – it was that simple." Recalling his feelings in the moments afterwards Lt Adamson, said: "He was young, with dark hair. He only had kind of whispy hair on his chin, not a proper beard, so he wasn't that old, maybe a teenager. "Afterwards, when he was dead, I picked up his PKM (Russian-made belt-fed machine gun) machine gun and slung it over my back. "We then had to wait for more of my men to join us. We thought there could be more Taliban about and we were just watching our arcs of fire, waiting for more to come out of a big field of maize which came right up to the river we had been wading through. "One of my men, Corporal Billy Carnegie, reached us, looked at the two dead Taliban on the ground and then saw the blood on my bayonet and said "boss what the **** have you been doing?" The firefight, in July 2008, began during the middle an operation to push the Taliban out of an area close to the town of Musa Qala in northern Helmand. Lt Adamson's platoon of 25-men, which was leading the assault, had just halted their advance when they were attacked. Lt Adamson, who is single and comes from the Isle of Man, was moving between two eight man sections when a group of Taliban fighters attempted a flanking attack. He continued: "The Taliban kept on probing us – sending in fighters to attack, first in twos then in fours. "There was a gap between the two sections and the Taliban realised this and were sending in men to get between the two groups so they could split us up and isolate us. "Myself and Corporal Fraser 'Hammy' Hamilton were wading nipple deep down a river which connected the two positions. Hammy was ahead when the Taliban fighter with the PKM (Russian machine gun) appeared from a maize field. "There was an exchange of fire and 'Hammy' fired off his ammunition and then the weight of fire coming from the Taliban forced him under the water. "The machine-gunner had also gone to ground but was still firing in our direction periodically. I had just caught up when 'Hammy' came up out of the water like a monster of the deep. "Then another Taliban man came through the maize carrying an AK47. He was only three to four metres away. "I immediately shot him with a burst from my rifle which was already set on automatic. He went down straight away and I knew I had hit him. "Hammy said I shouted: 'have some of this' as I shot him but I can't remember that. I fired another burst at the PKM gunner and then that was me out of ammunition as well. "That was when I decided to use the bayonet on him. It was a case of one second to bayonet him or two seconds to put on a fresh magazine. "Nothing was really going through my mind but briefly I did think 'if this works out the boys will love it' – as in the rest of the platoon that I commanded. "The undergrowth is so dense in the 'Green zone' that I often ordered bayonets fixed because you knew the distances between you and the Taliban could be very short. It is also good for morale." His Military Cross citation read: "Adamson's supreme physical courage, combined with the calm leadership he continued to display after a very close encounter with the Taliban, were of the very highest order. "His actions also neutralised an enemy flanking attack which could have resulted in casualties for his platoon." Two weeks earlier Lt Adamson had won a Mention in Dispatches (MID) by leading his men in an ambush against the Taliban in the same area. It is understood that the young lieutenant is the first member of the armed forces to receive two awards for gallantry during the same operational tour . [/quote]
[quote= A fucking Legend]"One of my men, Corporal Billy Carnegie, reached us, looked at the two dead Taliban on the ground and then saw the blood on my bayonet and said "boss what the **** have you been doing?" [/quote] I lol'd.
Source added, my apologies.
as is expected by a british soldier, us germans treated them with respect and still do can't say i'd expekt the same thing out of a pig ( i mean the american)
[QUOTE=Anteep2;17286398]as is expected by a british soldier, us germans treated them with respect and still do can't say i'd expekt the same thing out of a pig ( i mean the american)[/QUOTE] I've been reading Mein Kampf recently. I was quite surprised by how much Adolf loved Britain.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;17286470]I've been reading Mein Kampf recently. I was quite surprised by how much Adolf loved Britain.[/QUOTE] it is in the bloodlines. we are of the same stock
[QUOTE=NoDachi;17286470]I've been reading Mein Kampf recently. I was quite surprised by how much Adolf loved Britain.[/QUOTE] He admired us for our history and Empire, but mainly because Germans and British are really quite the same in terms of culture and genetics. Also military in certain ways.
[QUOTE=Anteep2;17286483]it is in the bloodlines. we are of the same stock[/QUOTE] God bless the royale family, bro.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;17286470]I've been reading Mein Kampf recently. I was quite surprised by how much Adolf loved Britain.[/QUOTE] I'd enjoy reading it, learn a little more about Hitler.
Anyone remember the soldiers from the Royal Regiment of Scotland that did a highland charge with their bayonets. I know a lot of people keep saying they're outdated, but I'd shit myself if I saw that coming at me.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;17282160]No They don't Only Officers, and even then they don't tend to do that because it shows that they're in a position of authority. The SA80 is a bullpup rifle though, it's shorter than the M4A1 which is what American vehicle crews are issued with.[/QUOTE] Actually the SA80 IS still longer than the M4, barrel wise.
That's the whole point of a bullpup, the barrel can be longer because the whole mechanism is set further back.
[QUOTE=Re-Con;17280717]I'd imagine stabbing someone to death is gonna give you nightmares[/QUOTE] Not if you consider that these two guys would've been hauled off, and video taped getting their heads cut off, I'd have no troubles stabbing a guy to death who does that to people, especially if it was going to be me
[QUOTE=Anteep2;17286483]it is in the bloodlines. we are of the same stock[/QUOTE] The Cornish in me says fuck off.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;17287981]Not if you consider that these two guys would've been hauled off, and video taped getting their heads cut off, I'd have no troubles stabbing a guy to death who does that to people, especially if it was going to be me[/QUOTE] Aye, soldiers are trained to do this kind of thing as well, in war it is you or him.
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