• It's fun to kill in Afghanistan, says top US commander
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Also even though he got rid of the debt, his opposition to the federal bank caused a pretty terrifying financial panic. His election was also the beginning of turning the presidential election into a big popularity contest.
Well, he is a fucking soldier so I guess it's his opinion :downs:
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;23332236]The stupidest thing you can say is "war is fun". The people who say it haven't experienced it. I doubt he had much of an active service then, because if he served in those 3 wars, on the battlefield, with other soldiers, in fighting, he'd be calling it anything else other than "fun".[/QUOTE] Yeah, I wonder with what you call his "inactive" service record he managed to become a general... They don't hand them out like children's toys.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;23321752]Patton spoke to his men, coining his famous quote 'You cannot win a war by dying for your country, you have to make that dumb bastard die for his.' I swear, if Patton were alive today and with today's media and altered morales he'd be tossed in a jail just for slapping an injured GI.[/QUOTE] He also told his men to, "Cut the hun's guts out, and use them to grease the treds of our tanks!"
[QUOTE=Sharp;23297965]lrn2read[/QUOTE] i like the excuse "i'm a realist" it's desensitisation, not realism. [editline]10:07PM[/editline] btw, over population is not a problem [editline]10:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;23321752]Patton spoke to his men, coining his famous quote 'You cannot win a war by dying for your country, you have to make that dumb bastard die for his.' I swear, if Patton were alive today and with today's media and altered morales he'd be tossed in a jail just for slapping an injured GI.[/QUOTE] Patton wasn't the the most ethical man out there. [editline]10:13PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Amez;23321945]Andrew was amazing as well, ruthless but he got shit done. Hell when he was president there was no deficit. He didn't portray himself as some sort of great figure either, he told a painter during his late years in life to paint him how we actually looked. Not some "enhanced" image which other people did and still today.[/QUOTE] he also conducted the genocide of Indians. that's not amazing or badass, that's plain fucking wrong
For once... I have to agree with Warhol. Andrew was no hero. He was sick twisted bastard who forced Native Americans on the Trail of Tears which was basically the same concept of walking on sidewalk made of used syringes. There's no honor or badassery in that.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;23339748]For once... I have to agree with Warhol. Andrew was no hero. He was sick twisted bastard who forced Native Americans on the Trail of Tears which was basically the same concept of walking on sidewalk made of used syringes. There's no honor or badassery in that.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://a.imageshack.us/img59/8118/cryingindian1.gif[/IMG]
What the hell D:
"i like the excuse "I'm a realist" it's desensitization, not realism. Edited: btw, over population is not a problem" It's fact. It's matter of factly looking at life. The way it REALLY is. Not the fantasy world we have made it which involves emotions etc. I'm a sensitive person, believe me. I'm just saying that there's a distinct difference between how we experience things mentally and emotionally, and how things actually go down. Also, over-population IS a problem. War is like hunting for the purpose of population control, not saying that that justifies it, but it certainly helps everyone who doesn't die. I never said it was Right to kill, I only said it isn't wrong. The war is fought, the dead don't care and the living accept it. If they don't accept it, they fight and become dead. If they don't fight, they accept it. It is sacrifice for the greater good.
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23345329] I never said it was Right to kill, I only said it isn't wrong. [/QUOTE] uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it is wrong?
[QUOTE=Warhol;23345646]uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it is wrong?[/QUOTE] Strong argument.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;23256183]War is only fun in a video game. [editline]01:50PM[/editline] This guy needs to be reassigned to the north pole.[/QUOTE] Find a video of the current wars where people aren't having a fun time shooting their guns at insurgents. Saying 'reassign them' to the north pole is like an entire military redeployment.
[QUOTE=Arrows;23331961]It's fun in real life too, i want to put a bullet in your head.[/QUOTE] Instantly thought of this song. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Edett1KzkY[/media]
[QUOTE=Warhol;23345646]uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it is wrong?[/QUOTE] Subjectively wrong. Based on the quality of that last post you don't know what I mean.. I mean that every person decides for themselves, or has society decide for them, what is "wrong" or "right". But if you get rid of "wrong" or "right" there is only "profitable" or "unprofitable", and war is EXTREMELY profitable if you are on the right side. In fact if you are on the right side, not warring can be very unprofitable.
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23346285]Subjectively wrong. Based on the quality of that last post you don't know what I mean.. I mean that every person decides for themselves, or has society decide for them, what is "wrong" or "right". But if you get rid of "wrong" or "right" there is only "profitable" or "unprofitable", and war is EXTREMELY profitable if you are on the right side. In fact if you are on the right side, not warring can be very unprofitable.[/QUOTE] dude, do buzz words and subjective ethics REALLY matter when war is something pretty much wrong on any basis.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23346532]dude, do buzz words and subjective ethics REALLY matter when war is something pretty much wrong on any basis.[/QUOTE] I'm not exactly familiar with the term "Buzz words" .. And yes subjective ethics do matter, because every ethic is subjective and ethics are what define right/wrong and created right/wrong in the first place. Not to mention you just said subjective morals don't matter, and then base your case on your own subjective morals.
If you kill a person that is not in self defense, it is wrong, plain and simple.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23346632]If you kill a person that is not in self defense, it is wrong, plain and simple.[/QUOTE] In war you destroy threats to your self and by so defend yourself which could be termed self defense. I don't see what you're trying to argue now. Killing during war IS self defense, whether you take joy in it, feel nothing of it, or regret it. Not to mention you're still using subjective morals..
soooo the Iraq war was justified?
No, but having enthusiasm in killing the enemy to preserve your own livelihood and that of your countrymen, system of government, country, values, et cetera is.
There is no one that threatens the US
Because they use pre-emptive tactics to maintain it as such. The U.S. soil itself may not be in danger, but those deployed are.
"I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU! PAIN DOES NOT HURT! *crack* AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! I STAND CORRECTED!"
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23346954]Because they use pre-emptive tactics to maintain it as such. The U.S. soil itself may not be in danger, but those deployed are.[/QUOTE] wait, so war becomes justified when you put people in danger on purpose? i- what?
[QUOTE=Warhol;23347057]wait, so war becomes justified when you put people in danger on purpose? i- what?[/QUOTE] No, a soldier's enthusiasm in combat is understandable and logical when he is defending his interests.
I can understand it, doesn't make it fucking good.
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23347327]No, a soldier's enthusiasm in combat is understandable and logical when he is defending his interests.[/QUOTE] Is it so difficult for the soldiers to return to America? What are they doing there in the first place? USA started the war, they are the ones attacking and killing people, not the ones defending themselves
[QUOTE=DaFreshLemon;23348554]Is it so difficult for the soldiers to return to America? What are they doing there in the first place? USA started the war, they are the ones attacking and killing people, not the ones defending themselves[/QUOTE] You realize that's an example right? "Defending their livelihood" = Profit. Not every soldier signs up for this. Some soldiers view profit as.. -Adventure -Killing -Education -Firing guns etc etc. And yes it is very hard for them to return actually. USA invaded their country but they did not start the war. You apparently don't know how politics work or what recent history consists of. As per your last point, it is [I]Pre-fucking-emptive[/I] for the 3rd time. You take down a nuke before it can launch (just an example). That's defense.
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23348607] And yes it is very hard for them to return actually. USA invaded their country but they did not start the war. You apparently don't know how politics work or what recent history consists of. [/QUOTE] the us didn't start the war? are you fucking kidding?
[QUOTE=Warhol;23348845]the us didn't start the war? are you fucking kidding?[/QUOTE] The U.S. capitalist pig-dog empire began this cruel and oppressive war that further stalls the progression of the proletariat and the overthrow of the Wall Street fat cats. Rise up and take the Red Banner comrades! Workers of the world, unite!
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