• It's fun to kill in Afghanistan, says top US commander
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USA probably invaded Iraq because of the oil.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;23348899]The U.S. capitalist pig-dog empire began this cruel and oppressive war that further stalls the progression of the proletariat and the overthrow of the Wall Street fat cats. Rise up and take the Red Banner comrades! Workers of the world, unite![/QUOTE] great fucking rebuttal, now i REALLY know why the United states wasn't the ones who started the war.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23348845]the us didn't start the war? are you fucking kidding?[/QUOTE] Sorry, I meant to type "Conflict" instead of "war". They did OFFICIALLY start the latest war and invade the middle east, but the real conflict had been going on for years, since the first hostilities in the mid-late 90's. There's a whole under-ground scheme going on between different countries, and by this I refer to the China/Russia/Iran/NK/etc pseudo-alliance contrasted by the UN and other such countries.
When I see people such as BnevolntElefant going on about how life is nothing but mere profit and that it is simply human nature to want to go and kill other human beings, it makes me truly think about how people can get so sick minded. It is very easy to go ahead and say that nature is cruel and it is human nature to create wars, to cause genocides, to ruin the lives of millions of people, and then go ahead and justify it by saying profit. Do you really think the millions of people out there terrorized by war and oppressed by so many forces give a shit about profit. This term profit that you want to use to explain everything has not been around for all of humanity, it has been created by societies and has been twisted over time. We as humans have needs, we need water, food, a place to stay, comfort, and love. Society nowadays, and for many centuries, has made it to be, like BnevolntElefant said, a society of profit, competition, death, slavery, etc.. And to go ahead and say that this is all right is just sickening. As humans, we will have conflicts. But to say that as humans it is natural that there should be wars is just idiocy. Survival of the fittest is the law of the jungle. We are humans, we have intelligence, we have emotions, to lower humanity down to the level of a 'lump of meat´ is the sign of a loss of humanity. I truly hope that people will never truly believe in such a horrible philosophy.
[quote][b]You go into Afghanistan, you get guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil ... guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.[/b][/quote] He didn't exactly suggest killing unarmed civillians as fun, but the fanatic assholes that beat their chicks for not adhereing to shitty sexist religious bullshit.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23346532]dude, do buzz words and subjective ethics REALLY matter when war is something pretty much wrong on any basis.[/QUOTE] Matter of opinion....we're human beings, still animals. We will always fight over territory, if not with our selves..then with someone else.
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23352092]Sorry, I meant to type "Conflict" instead of "war". They did OFFICIALLY start the latest war and invade the middle east, but the real conflict had been going on for years, since the first hostilities in the mid-late 90's. There's a whole under-ground scheme going on between different countries, and by this I refer to the China/Russia/Iran/NK/etc pseudo-alliance contrasted by the UN and other such countries.[/QUOTE] The Middle East has always been a hot bed for activity... Also, the late 90's is wrong. Take it back about 700-1000 years. The Middle East is considered "Holy Ground" to many, many, many religions. Don't ask why or how it just seems everything comes out of the sand, and it needs a religion with a gun to follow.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;23358990]The Middle East has always been a hot bed for activity... Also, the late 90's is wrong. Take it back about 700-1000 years. The Middle East is considered "Holy Ground" to many, many, many religions. Don't ask why or how it just seems everything comes out of the sand, and it needs a religion with a gun to follow.[/QUOTE] uh, first of all, that's considered holy ground because so much biblical activity happened there, and second of all it's a hot bed for activity because of foreign aggression and influence. It was a mess years before the US was even formed, but it took a drastic and pretty fucked up turn when the US threw its hands into it. This is not mere Religion you're dealing with, this is strongly political. [editline]07:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;23356020]Matter of opinion....we're human beings, still animals. We will always fight over territory, if not with our selves..then with someone else.[/QUOTE] This is where that thinking becomes dangerous. Ethics are a certain agreeable code of law. Which is fucking why government and laws exist.
I'm sure the first two years of the Iraq war were plenty of fun. Viewing those comments from today's context is what makes them seem so terrible.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23359670]uh, first of all, that's considered holy ground because so much biblical activity happened there, and second of all it's a hot bed for activity because of foreign aggression and influence. It was a mess years before the US was even formed, but it took a drastic and pretty fucked up turn when the US threw its hands into it. This is not mere Religion you're dealing with, this is strongly political. [/QUOTE] That's actually rather odd. You woulda figure it would of been a little more on the fault of the British, French,and Germans do to the fact they tried to hold the region constantly, and would start random conflicts in the area. But I agree... America takes a huge part in it.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;23339748]For once... I have to agree with Warhol. Andrew was no hero. He was sick twisted bastard who forced Native Americans on the Trail of Tears which was basically the same concept of walking on sidewalk made of used syringes. There's no honor or badassery in that.[/QUOTE] Agreed, and he wasn't even a good tactician either. All he did was either fight unprepared recruits or Indian militia.
Just like a video game!
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;23362240]Agreed, and he wasn't even a good tactician either. All he did was either fight unprepared recruits or Indian militia.[/QUOTE] Catch me if I'm wrong... Didn't Andrew also make love to a Native American women who in return had a son, and Andrew ended up killing him?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;23362712]Catch me if I'm wrong... Didn't Andrew also make love to a Native American women who in return had a son, and Andrew ended up killing him?[/QUOTE] Wouldn't surprise me. Jackson was openly and avidly racist, anti-Indian, and sexist, openly speaking of Indian genocide and advocating that blacks and women were inferior. Don't know if it's just a rumour, but from some articles on him, he apparently believed the earth was flat also.
[QUOTE=Rimor Animus;23353534]When I see people such as BnevolntElefant going on about how life is nothing but mere profit and that it is simply human nature to want to go and kill other human beings, it makes me truly think about how people can get so sick minded. It is very easy to go ahead and say that nature is cruel and it is human nature to create wars, to cause genocides, to ruin the lives of millions of people, and then go ahead and justify it by saying profit. Do you really think the millions of people out there terrorized by war and oppressed by so many forces give a shit about profit. This term profit that you want to use to explain everything has not been around for all of humanity, it has been created by societies and has been twisted over time. We as humans have needs, we need water, food, a place to stay, comfort, and love. Society nowadays, and for many centuries, has made it to be, like BnevolntElefant said, a society of profit, competition, death, slavery, etc.. And to go ahead and say that this is all right is just sickening. As humans, we will have conflicts. But to say that as humans it is natural that there should be wars is just idiocy. Survival of the fittest is the law of the jungle. We are humans, we have intelligence, we have emotions, to lower humanity down to the level of a 'lump of meat´ is the sign of a loss of humanity. I truly hope that people will never truly believe in such a horrible philosophy.[/QUOTE] And as evolving creatures, who understand the laws of evolution it is [I]only[/I] beneficial in the greater spectrum for us to remove the weakest links from the chain. I'm sorry it's sickening but so is seeing blood for some people.. or is having blood wrong too?
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23364115]And as evolving creatures, who understand the laws of evolution it is [I]only[/I] beneficial in the greater spectrum for us to remove the weakest links from the chain. I'm sorry it's sickening but so is seeing blood for some people.. or is having blood wrong too?[/QUOTE] Listening to people like you just makes me lose my faith in this generation even more, but I know that a large ammount feel quite different in this regard than you. Here is the thing, it is easy for you, a teenager (I believe only 16), to say such heartless things. Let me make something clear for you, you have neither the life experience nor the knowledge to dictate on human nature and how things are. I see that your posts are riddled with talks about human nature, about profits, and other things. Your posts reek of ignorance and a lack of key human traits. We as humans have needs. We need water. We need food. We need shelter. We need to feel accepted. We need love. Where in the fucking hell did you get the idea that human nature is to make profit. You must be ignorant as hell to believe in the bullshit that systems such as capitalism spit out and associate the ideas with human nature. There has been countless examples in the history of humanity where societies have been created that were founded upon the ideals of peace, communion, love, and simple living. And these worked. But then you had a strand of people, such as the Europeans, who managed to inject their ideas of profit, capital, independent ownership, and etc. into their lives. It was simply a different culture and way of life. But it has been twisted into something else, and is being pushed upon most of the world as a form of what is called democratization and globalization. The movement is absolutely demeaning to humanity. It breeds people like you who exclaim that we are sick and twisted individuals who need to be broken into little machines that have absolutely no meaning in the grand scale of thingns and can be thus killed in the name of profit and evolution. I have seen, with my own two eyes, the beauty that humans can create. I have been in places where the people lived in harmony, where nobody worried about their profit or getting an advantage over the neighbor. These places florished upon sharing, upon loving, and about rationally and empthatetically living. Is that example sick and twisted to you? What is sick and twisted is not humanity itself, but the systems and people that have continued to instill within the minds of people like you a need for a system that is inherently self destructive and dehumanizing. You talk about evolution, about getting rid of the weakest link, and you dont even realize that humanity can advance without the need of primal animalistic ways of supposedly advancing. We are not merely animals. We have key qualities and traits that make us very different. We have a wide range of emotions that can cause both grief and bliss. As Darwin said, the one that you love to allude to, humans are extremely malleable. We can be made to do so many horrible things but if we put our mind to it we can create societies that are quite beautiful and prosperous, without the need of wars, without the need of enslaving, of murdering, of torturing, of dehumanizing millions of people. Get your damn head out of your ass. Get yourself out of that door and go visit places. Meet people. See the world for what it can truly be and try and make it a better place, instead of supporting and advocating a truly horrible philosophy and system.
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23348607]You realize that's an example right? "Defending their livelihood" = Profit. Not every soldier signs up for this. Some soldiers view profit as.. -Adventure -Killing -Education -Firing guns etc etc. And yes it is very hard for them to return actually. USA invaded their country but they did not start the war. You apparently don't know how politics work or what recent history consists of. As per your last point, it is [I]Pre-fucking-emptive[/I] for the 3rd time. You take down a nuke before it can launch (just an example). That's defense.[/QUOTE] 1) I see no nukes 2) USA started the war to get oil 3) There are theories that say 9/11 was planed by the goverment (I'm not saying this is true) 4) It's pretty funny to take pictures of prisoners being humilliated and you standing beside smiling right? 5) And yeah it's true, they are there for a PROFIT, which makes it even more SICK imo. 6) Before being elected Obama said that he would remove the troops form the Middle East. YEAH RIGHT. And he was awarded with the nobel peace prize...
[QUOTE=Rimor Animus;23364607]Listening to people like you just makes me lose my faith in this generation even more, but I know that a large ammount feel quite different in this regard than you. Here is the thing, it is easy for you, a teenager (I believe only 16), to say such heartless things. Let me make something clear for you, you have neither the life experience nor the knowledge to dictate on human nature and how things are. I see that your posts are riddled with talks about human nature, about profits, and other things. Your posts reek of ignorance and a lack of key human traits. We as humans have needs. We need water. We need food. We need shelter. We need to feel accepted. We need love. Where in the fucking hell did you get the idea that human nature is to make profit. You must be ignorant as hell to believe in the bullshit that systems such as capitalism spit out and associate the ideas with human nature. There has been countless examples in the history of humanity where societies have been created that were founded upon the ideals of peace, communion, love, and simple living. And these worked. But then you had a strand of people, such as the Europeans, who managed to inject their ideas of profit, capital, independent ownership, and etc. into their lives. It was simply a different culture and way of life. But it has been twisted into something else, and is being pushed upon most of the world as a form of what is called democratization and globalization. The movement is absolutely demeaning to humanity. It breeds people like you who exclaim that we are sick and twisted individuals who need to be broken into little machines that have absolutely no meaning in the grand scale of thingns and can be thus killed in the name of profit and evolution. I have seen, with my own two eyes, the beauty that humans can create. I have been in places where the people lived in harmony, where nobody worried about their profit or getting an advantage over the neighbor. These places florished upon sharing, upon loving, and about rationally and empthatetically living. Is that example sick and twisted to you? What is sick and twisted is not humanity itself, but the systems and people that have continued to instill within the minds of people like you a need for a system that is inherently self destructive and dehumanizing. You talk about evolution, about getting rid of the weakest link, and you dont even realize that humanity can advance without the need of primal animalistic ways of supposedly advancing. We are not merely animals. We have key qualities and traits that make us very different. We have a wide range of emotions that can cause both grief and bliss. As Darwin said, the one that you love to allude to, humans are extremely malleable. We can be made to do so many horrible things but if we put our mind to it we can create societies that are quite beautiful and prosperous, without the need of wars, without the need of enslaving, of murdering, of torturing, of dehumanizing millions of people. Get your damn head out of your ass. Get yourself out of that door and go visit places. Meet people. See the world for what it can truly be and try and make it a better place, instead of supporting and advocating a truly horrible philosophy and system.[/QUOTE] lrn2read. If you had noticed, by "profit", it does not solely mean monetary. Peace, Love, Communion.. These are ALL forms of profit, of benefit, of things that we enjoy and want more of. They are simply different forms of profit. No, the idea of a finely functioning, loving, wholesome community and society does not sicken me - I simply am putting forth that there is more than 1 path to the destination. Obviously we have war and those fighting are not suddenly going to drop arms and decide we should all just get along, however life-saving (profit) and environmentally-friendly (profit) it is, however many cities are left standing (profit). The war is STILL going to be fought and as wonderful as your fantasy-land would be what matters right NOW is what's happening.. Right Now. I'm not saying that humans have to kill each other or that they should or that they shouldn't, I'm just saying there's different ways to attain peace (profit), and because the majority of the world has decided upon conflict it is conflict for which we should prepare ourselves. A certain level of harsh reality is required for this because loving one another won't do any good to stop a bullet. War is the obviously most popular choice of attaining a party's own idea of profit, and conflict can only be stopped by conflict OR transcending peace the likes of which is very very rarely seen.
[QUOTE=DaFreshLemon;23364862]1) I see no nukes 2) USA started the war to get oil 3) There are theories that say 9/11 was planed by the goverment (I'm not saying this is true) 4) It's pretty funny to take pictures of prisoners being humilliated and you standing beside smiling right? 5) And yeah it's true, they are there for a PROFIT, which makes it even more SICK imo. 6) Before being elected Obama said that he would remove the troops form the Middle East. YEAH RIGHT. And he was awarded with the nobel peace prize...[/QUOTE] I kind of agree, especially on point 2.
[QUOTE=DaFreshLemon;23364862]1) I see no nukes 2) USA started the war to get oil 3) There are theories that say 9/11 was planed by the goverment (I'm not saying this is true) 4) It's pretty funny to take pictures of prisoners being humilliated and you standing beside smiling right? 5) And yeah it's true, they are there for a PROFIT, which makes it even more SICK imo. 6) Before being elected Obama said that he would remove the troops form the Middle East. YEAH RIGHT. And he was awarded with the nobel peace prize...[/QUOTE] Are you trying to tell me you've never lied or taken advantage of someone's ignorance for your own personal gain? [editline]10:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;23364961]I kind of agree, especially on point 2.[/QUOTE] All these points are basically the same. Although I never said it was justified or unjustified to invade another country simply to take what the US wants, it is what it is and since we are currently engaged with little hope of disengaging suddenly, we might as well make the best of it and do a thorough job.
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23365021]Are you trying to tell me you've never lied or taken advantage of someone's ignorance for your own personal gain?[/QUOTE] Mmm.. yes? But killing people for my own personal gain? Mmm... no.
[QUOTE=DaFreshLemon;23365198]Mmm.. yes? But killing people for my own personal gain? Mmm... no.[/QUOTE] That's because you take advantage on a personal scale, not a global scale. Not every soldier is there for oil or looting although it maybe the case for the U.S. [I]in general[/I]. Of course there is an obvious threat as well that must be stopped by putting a hold on drug production, weapons production/distribution, jihad propaganda, training camps, etc. It's not like the U.S. can just pull out and expect things to stay safe.
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23365258]That's because you take advantage on a personal scale, not a global scale. Not every soldier is there for oil or looting although it maybe the case for the U.S. [I]in general[/I]. Of course there is an obvious threat as well that must be stopped by putting a hold on drug production, weapons production/distribution, jihad propaganda, training camps, etc. [b]It's not like the U.S. can just pull out and expect things to stay safe.[/b][/QUOTE] Not after what they have done, I can assure you that. And what do you mean by "not every soldier is there for oil or looting"?
[QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23364906]lrn2read. If you had noticed, by "profit", it does not solely mean monetary. Peace, Love, Communion.. These are ALL forms of profit, of benefit, of things that we enjoy and want more of. They are simply different forms of profit. No, the idea of a finely functioning, loving, wholesome community and society does not sicken me - I simply am putting forth that there is more than 1 path to the destination. Obviously we have war and those fighting are not suddenly going to drop arms and decide we should all just get along, however life-saving (profit) and environmentally-friendly (profit) it is, however many cities are left standing (profit). The war is STILL going to be fought and as wonderful as your fantasy-land would be what matters right NOW is what's happening.. Right Now. I'm not saying that humans have to kill each other or that they should or that they shouldn't, I'm just saying there's different ways to attain peace (profit), and because the majority of the world has decided upon conflict it is conflict for which we should prepare ourselves. A certain level of harsh reality is required for this because loving one another won't do any good to stop a bullet. War is the obviously most popular choice of attaining a party's own idea of profit, and conflict can only be stopped by conflict OR transcending peace the likes of which is very very rarely seen.[/QUOTE] No. Stop trying to make everything into a statistical and mathematical caluculation of profit and all this bullshit that you spit out about profit and how everything is profit. You must be so severely brainwashed to beleive that War can possibly lead to peace. Can you not read your own writing. How can you possibly believe in such bullshit? You say that the majority of the world has chosen conflict. No it has not. The minority, the rich, have chosen conflict. Yes. They want more and more money (profit). They want more and more control of people (profit). If you even have one ounce of intelligence then you would understand that the majority does not want conflcit, for conflict only brings about suffering and deaths and murders and etc.. Which is not fucking profit, no matter how you try to spin it. Yet again I ask you, do you think that the majority of people that are currently being oppressed and murdered and their lvies turned upside down, which is millions, really give a shit about profit? Do you honestly think that conflict is good after what they have gone through, the shit they have had to face because people like you think that conflict is good because it produces profit? All they want is to live in peace and to have their basic needs fulfilled, but yet most are being curbed at every step by sick minded people who want more and more and thus mess up the rest. This is inherently not productive to the human race. War is not productive to the human race. Suffering is not productive to the human race. Neither economcially nor humanity wise. It may be good for those who are supposedly winning, but it is detrimental to humanity as a whole. Yet again, I must make this point clear. You sit in comfort at your house and at your computer screen and make such a hideous point that is inhumane. How would you feel if you were a civilian living in a war torn land and fighting for your life. You would not give a shit about profit, you would be sickened at how systems that are all about such inhumane thinking could get you to such a point in life. You would cry, you would scream, you would curse the people that believe that life is about profit and that war is good for that reason. You would curse those who believe that it is simply human nature to want to cause conflict, you would curse them because all you want is to live in peace and be able to love your family and friends without being afraid of a bomb landing next to you. But no. You sit in front of your computer screen. And you advocate a system that is ripping apart humanity to shreds and causing such a level of suffering that is unprecedented. You are a sick human being.
I guess we'll agree to disagree.
Yes, good idea.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;23361384]That's actually rather odd. You woulda figure it would of been a little more on the fault of the British, French,and Germans do to the fact they tried to hold the region constantly, and would start random conflicts in the area. But I agree... America takes a huge part in it.[/QUOTE] They had a BIG hand in it as well. [editline]11:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;23362712]Catch me if I'm wrong... Didn't Andrew also make love to a Native American women who in return had a son, and Andrew ended up killing him?[/QUOTE] Andrew Jackson had like one of the biggest body counts then any other president. I'm talking about people he killed himself. [editline]11:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23364115]And as evolving creatures, who understand the laws of evolution it is [I]only[/I] beneficial in the greater spectrum for us to remove the weakest links from the chain. I'm sorry it's sickening but so is seeing blood for some people.. or is having blood wrong too?[/QUOTE] Human beings have an agreeable form of ethics, which is why we have fucking laws and government. psychopath's like you justify horrible things in some sort of guise of realism. [editline]11:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23365021]Are you trying to tell me you've never lied or taken advantage of someone's ignorance for your own personal gain?[/quote] I hate lying. [quote]All these points are basically the same. Although I never said it was justified or unjustified to invade another country simply to take what the US wants, it is what it is and since we are currently engaged with little hope of disengaging suddenly, we might as well make the best of it and do a thorough job.[/QUOTE] Then what the fuck are you arguing? [editline]11:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BnevolntElefant;23365623]I guess we'll agree to disagree.[/QUOTE] I can imagine you being a social shut in. Talk to people outside the internet.
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