Volleyball captain that "brought her friend home" from party is a lying fuck - tweets show she was d

[ChestyMcGee]

imagine telling people that they can't have even have a glass of wine with a meal when their family is present until 3 years after the age that they're allowed to vote, go to war, smoke, and own guns

haha what a crazy place that would be

[DaysBefore]

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42614191]If I remember correctly, they were talking about letting anyone with a military ID purchase alcohol regardless of age, but I didn't hear how that turned out.[/QUOTE]
Well I live in Canada, but that sounds interesting. But I couldn't see that working anywhere unless the drinking age and the warring age are the same, otherwise military members would be given an unfair privilege over the general populace.

[Provost]

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42614246]Well I live in Canada, but that sounds interesting. But I couldn't see that working anywhere unless the drinking age and the warring age are the same, otherwise military members would be given an unfair privilege over the general populace.[/QUOTE]

We have an all volunteer army. When the economy is good, recruitment is down.

I could see them cutting the college tuition and replacing it with this. I sure as hell don't agree with it, but I could see some asshole desk-jockey signing it into existence.

[Lord of Ears]

how can people think a 21 year old drinking age isn't ridiculous
18 year old lindsey can chain smoke a carton of cigarettes and then be videotaped getting railed on by 5 guys at once and it'll be perfectly legal, but god forbid she want a sip of beer
if you don't think that shit's whack then get outta my face

[1nfiniteseed]

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42612286]Find me a source that says that adolescents drinking casually throughout their development are just as healthy as non-drinkers and then you can complain.

Go ahead and google it yourself, I'm not your mother, there are plenty of studies which support that alcohol at a young age impairs cognitive abilities.[/QUOTE]

If it was as much of a problem as you make it out to be, I'm sure European countries wouldn't have the drinking age at 16 or 18.

It seems to be working out fine for them.

[Moustacheman]

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42611345]"21?!? hurr that's so ridiculous." Grow up people.

[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2827693/[/url][/QUOTE]

To be fair, heavy drinking at any age is going to cause brain damage.

I might be a good example of such a thing.

[64fanatic]

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;42615438]To be fair, heavy drinking at any age is going to cause brain damage.

I might be a good example of such a thing.[/QUOTE]

Being the Vomit Vigilante you must have a lot vomit knowledge.:v:

I haven't checked but how much damage is done to the brain vs your liver outright failing before brain damage would occur/matter at all? (In the cases of heavy long term drinking)

[Moustacheman]

I mean fuck back in Blighty I could drink at the age of fucking 5 if me mum and dad let me. Although luckily for me, me dad didn't let me have my first beer 'till I was 16.

But here in America, I can smoke, bang, and die before I'm even twenty, but Lord forbid I take a shot of whiskey.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42612845]do you honestly think 16-20 year olds don't drink because it's against the law? they are already doing it en masse and thousands of kids die from alcohol poisoning or drunk driving every year. the law needs reforms.

not to mention, so what? if you can decide your career and your future, you can decide if you want to drink.[/QUOTE]

making the consumption of alcohol >21 y/o isn't going to solve alcoholism and alcohol related injuries and deaths among teens, they'll just stop getting arrested for it which really doesn't solve the problem.

[Deadoon]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42615497]making the consumption of alcohol <21 y/o isn't going to solve alcoholism and alcohol related injuries and deaths among teens, they'll just stop getting arrested for it which really doesn't solve the problem.[/QUOTE]

It can allow parents to teach their kids responsible drinking habits legally, rather than them having to learn it themselves the hard way.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=deadoon;42615527]It can allow parents to teach their kids responsible drinking habits legally, rather than them having to learn it themselves the hard way.[/QUOTE]

or parents can do that even though it's still illegal.
"hey dont touch this shit cause its bad for you and illegal, but if you ___"
I mean seriously, my dad sat me down when I was 14 or 15 and told me about his experiences with alcoholism and various other drugs and my family's experiences with them. He told me what they were like and what they cause you to do and I've had no desire to try them since and most likely never will.

It's not like we're living in 1984 with cameras and microphones in every room of our home, and the government will break down our door if we try and teach out kids about drugs.

[Deadoon]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42615556]or parents can do that even though it's still illegal.
"hey dont touch this shit cause its bad for you and illegal, but if you ___"
I mean seriously, my dad sat me down when I was 14 or 15 and told me about his experiences with alcoholism and various other drugs and my family's experiences with them. He told me what they were like and what they cause you to do and I've had no desire to try them since and most likely never will.

It's not like we're living in 1984 with cameras and microphones in every room of our home, and the government will break down our door if we try and teach out kids about drugs.[/QUOTE]

So, rather than allow for a more accepting atmosphere, you suggest that parents break the law to teach their children things?

If it being against the law helped us or the current methods worked, we should have less problems with alcohol abuse than Europe right?

Comparing the US and Uk, because that was where the most definative information was,
Uk had [URL="http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/subnational-health4/alcohol-related-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom/2011/alcohol-related-deaths-in-the-uk--2011.html"]8,748[/URL] alcohol related deaths in 2011 with a population of ~63,182,000 this comes to ~138 per million people

In the US it comes to for the average between 2000 - 2005(note, that is due to the lack of recent concrete data) of [URL="http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/DACH_ARDI/Default/Report.aspx?T=AAM&P=de9de51e-d51b-4690-a9a4-358859b692bc&R=804296a0-ac47-41d3-a939-9df26a176186&M=E2769A53-0BFC-453F-9FD7-63C5AA6CE5D7&F=&D="]80,374[/URL] with a 2005 population of ~295,520,000 comes to ~272 per million.

If the teaching methods you suggest worked, we wouldn't have these problems.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=deadoon;42615779]So, rather than allow for a more accepting atmosphere, you suggest that parents break the law to teach their children things?
[/QUOTE]

wat
how is teaching them about drugs against the law.
[QUOTE=deadoon;42615779]
If it being against the law helped us or the current methods worked, we should have less problems with alcohol abuse than Europe right?

Comparing the US and Uk, because that was where the most definative information was,
Uk had 8,748 alcohol related deaths in 2011 with a population of ~63,182,000 this comes to ~138 per million people

In the US it comes to for the average between 2000 - 2005(note, that is due to the lack of recent concrete data) of 80,374 with a 2005 population of ~295,520,000 comes to ~272 per million.
[/quote]
Drinking cultures are different in each country, yeah theres an issue with both but they're not quite the same.

[QUOTE=deadoon;42615779]If the teaching methods you suggest worked, we wouldn't have these problems.[/quote]
Not every parent is giving their children proper education when it comes to this stuff, and the education they receive in school is literally just "DRUGS ARE LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER AND WILL RUIN LIVES AND MAKE JESUS AND MOMMA CRY". All that does is drive them to try it because they see it on TV and with family members doing it without consequence.

Unluckily enough my family has had issues alcoholism and even meth addiction. But because of that, I was able to see the absolute extremes of alcohol and other drugs and was taught by people who experienced it what those drugs do to you and the consequences they hold to your health and record.

[G4Vi]

I don't know what the solution is to this problem. Right now its a mess, but I don't think lowering the drinking age will solve much. Even if the drinking age was lowered today by law, that still wouldn't solve things with schools and athletics. While it's socially acceptable to be drinking with your peers, it wouldn't instantly be okay with parents and coaches and whatever. 18 year olds might then be able to buy alcohol easily, but that's not really where the problem lies.

The problem lies with the drinking situations being sketchy until you are at a socially acceptable age to all the people around you. When I go out to drink, the law is really the least of my concerns or what bothers me. For example at university where I am, I doubt it would be okay to drink in the freshman dorms once it became legal, because it brings in a whole slew of problems and frankly I think it would be a clusterfuck.

Inexperienced drinkers drunk are often fucking annoying and do stupid shit. In my previous example, if it was ok, I'm sure a bunch of problems would arise for a while until eventually people got their shit together. The drinking then would still be just as sketchy as before it was legal.

Basically the situations that younger people in the US have to drink are usually sketchy and there needs to be less sketchy places/situations where people can drink. It shouldn't need to be a big crampted party with the cheapest alcohol available on the third floor of someone's trashy apartment where its 100 degrees Farenheit. That's where the social stigma against drinking leads people. It's a dangerous situation there where people are often pressured to drink and you're totally fucked if there's a fire. That is not a good place to be trying alcohol.

A more relaxed environment without all that pressure would be safer and more enjoyable. Shit like the above is why I haven't gone out to drink in a while. I've found it much more enjoyable to go out to smoke a little weed outside and then come back and chill with a couple of people in my dorm, talk, listen to not rave music, watch a movie and play video games. People's first drinking experiences might be better being more similar to that idk.

[Big D Duchovny]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42615497]making the consumption of alcohol >21 y/o isn't going to solve alcoholism and alcohol related injuries and deaths among teens, they'll just stop getting arrested for it which really doesn't solve the problem.[/QUOTE]

What was that argument that you use in any gun related thread? Oh yeah, now I remember "If we make guns illegal, criminals would still get them because they don't care about the law".

But I take it you suddenly think otherwise when it's about alcohol. Teens will still get alcohol whether it's illegal or not (it's still manufactured for people over 21 in large quantities) - all you're doing is making it harder for people that have no qualms with drinking responsibly. Believe it or not, drinking can be fun, and people over 18 should decide shit for themselves. I mean, for some reason you guys entrust 16-year old with cars and guns, but alcohol is something they can't possibly make up their own minds about.

[Shadow801]

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42611696]You're right, it doesn't apply to everyone in the entire country so we should just abolish it completely.

How many teenagers do you know that get smashed that only do it once a year?

Yeah I didn't link Wikipedia, I linked the National Library of Medicine. If you're not going to bother looking at my source why are you trying to discredit me? Drinking even 2-3 times a week for a few years in adolescence will cause an impact on your brain, just because it doesn't apply to everyone and their fucking dog doesn't mean it isn't true.

We should totally just lower the drinking age to 16 because you know, only SOME kids will fuck themselves over with it. What's the big deal?

That didn't take long at all, thanks for reminding me I'm in Sensationalist Headlines where everyone's opinion is the unrivaled law of the land.

Yeah I get it, you like alcohol, therefore everyone should have it and I'm a dumbass for even proposing the 21 year old age limit might ACTUALLY serve a purpose, my bad.[/QUOTE]

This isn't how it works

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;42616758]What was that argument that you use in any gun related thread? Oh yeah, now I remember "If we make guns illegal, criminals would still get them because they don't care about the law".

But I take it you suddenly think otherwise when it's about alcohol. Teens will still get alcohol whether it's illegal or not (it's still manufactured for people over 21 in large quantities) - all you're doing is making it harder for people that have no qualms with drinking responsibly. Believe it or not, drinking can be fun, and people over 18 should decide shit for themselves. I mean, for some reason you guys entrust 16-year old with cars and guns, but alcohol is something they can't possibly make up their own minds about.[/QUOTE]

Please point out where I said I was for an entire ban on all alcohol and drugs regardless of age, thanks

Secondly, let me point out that a 16 year old can't legally purchase a firearm, but can own if it's given to him by a parent, as long he doesn't transport it or use it without the permission of a legal guardian. You have to be 18 to purchase a long gun and 21 to purchase a handgun in the US depending on the state you're in.

Yes drinking can be fun but it's detrimental to you any way you look at it. If parents and schools gave proper education on alcohol and other drugs, I doubt underage drinking and drug use would be a rampant issue as it is. And also, if I had it my way a teenager couldn't get a full-fledged license until he was 18, but I'm not a legislator now am I?

[Big D Duchovny]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42616801]Please point out where I said I was for an entire ban on all alcohol and drugs regardless of age, thanks

Secondly, let me point out that a 16 year old can't legally purchase a firearm, but can own if it's given to him by a parent, as long he doesn't transport it or use it without the permission of a legal guardian. You have to be 18 to purchase a long gun and 21 to purchase a handgun in the US depending on the state you're in.

Yes drinking can be fun but it's detrimental to you any way you look at it. If parents and schools gave proper education on alcohol and other drugs, I doubt underage drinking and drug use would be a rampant issue as it is. And also, if I had it my way a teenager couldn't get a full-fledged license until he was 18, but I'm not a legislator now am I?[/QUOTE]

If you cared to read my post, I was only talking about a partial ban (sub-21 year olds can't drink) - the argument is precisely the same, though. They can still get it if they want to, since you can go into any store and buy it (or get someone over 21 to buy it). All this accomplishes is criminalizing people under 21. I'd argue that a blanket ban on guns would be more a lot more effective than a ban on alcohol, but I digress - I never sought to discuss gun politics, I merely made an example of your argument.

And only detrimental? How? It's fun, you become more open and social, and you usually get a bit more courageous. Just drink responsibly. Alcohol at parties while you're in high school is not what makes an alcoholic - it's when you begin drinking alone, something you usually won't be until you're over 21 anyway. I drink quite a bit, but it isn't interfering with my school work in any kind of sense (my current mean note is 10.7 out of 12, 11 if you account for my 5 A-level subjects, and around 11.2 with all the current rules) - some people in my class drink more than me, and they're still doing incredibly well. Just use your brain when drinking - stop after a certain amount.

And yes, a big part of the US' problem is that any kind of education on sex, alcohol or drugs seems to be incredibly lacking.

And lastly, why make it illegal for people under 21 to drink? If you [I]had[/I] to restrict it at that age, why not just make it illegal to sell alcohol to them like we do in Denmark? Why should young people get a criminal record because they were drinking? If the drinking isn't ruining their lives, the spot on your criminal record (that you can actually get under some circumstances) sure is.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;42616880]If you cared to read my post, I was only talking about a partial ban (sub-21 year olds can't drink) - the argument is precisely the same, though. They can still get it if they want to, since you can go into any store and buy it (or get someone over 21 to buy it). All this accomplishes is criminalizing people under 21. I'd argue that a blanket ban on guns would be more a lot more effective than a ban on alcohol, but I digress - I never sought to discuss gun politics, I merely made an example of your argument. [/QUOTE]
I really don't think I need to explain the differences between firearms and drugs and why they really shouldn't be compared

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;42616880]
And only detrimental? How? It's fun, you become more open and social, and you usually get a bit more courageous. Just drink responsibly. Alcohol at parties while you're in high school is not what makes an alcoholic - it's when you begin drinking alone, something you usually won't be until you're over 21 anyway. I drink quite a bit, but it isn't interfering with my school work in any kind of sense (my current mean note is 10.7 out of 12, 11 if you account for my 5 A-level subjects, and around 11.2 with all the current rules) - some people in my class drink more than me, and they're still doing incredibly well. Just use your brain when drinking - stop after a certain amount.

And yes, a big part of the US' problem is that any kind of education on sex, alcohol or drugs seems to be incredibly lacking.[/QUOTE]

Alcohol abuse can cause some pretty nasty brain damage if you're not careful. Alcohol abuse can lead to Korsakoff's syndrome among many many other nasty things. And it's not like it takes 40 years of abuse for issues to arise. Back in the 70's, there was a case where a man who was in his 40's who had burnt out his hippocampi due to alcohol abuse. Because of that he couldn't commit anything in his short term memory to his long term memory. He still thought he was an 18 year old in 1945 and that WWII had just ended and he was stuck like that until his death.

[Big D Duchovny]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42616947]I really don't think I need to explain the differences between firearms and drugs and why they really shouldn't be compared

Alcohol abuse can cause some pretty nasty brain damage if you're not careful. Alcohol abuse can lead to Korsakoff's syndrome among many many other nasty things. And it's not like it takes 40 years of abuse for issues to arise. Back in the 70's, there was a case where a man who was in his 40's who had burnt out his hippocampi due to alcohol abuse. Because of that he couldn't commit anything in his short term memory to his long term memory. He still thought he was an 18 year old in 1945 and that WWII had just ended and he was stuck like that until his death.[/QUOTE]

"One time back in the 70's..."
That's not really all that great of an example, don't you think? I'm not saying alcohol can't fuck you up, but it seems like you've never even had a drink - it doens't happen just like that. It's like saying "let's ban guns because sometimes accidents happen" - they're insignificant compared to the number of people enjoying said activity, and they can be prevented if people are educated about it.

And yes, why shouldn't drugs and guns be compared? The fact that guns are much harder to manufacture, and therefore more easily restricted with a ban?

Or are you talking about drugs being bad and guns being great? To me, they both have negative connotations, so that doesn't really apply to me (or a lot of people in Denmark).

And I edited my other post, would you mind answering that as well?

[LooperNor]

I still don't understand why people who are old enough to make a responsible choice about who gets to control the country (vote) + many other things, can't choose to enjoy alcohol if it's what they want to do.

[breakyourface]

Because something about your liver not being fully developed until 21. But I can get all the liver destroying vicodin I want prescribed to me at any age :downs:

[Fr3ddi3]

What a waste of police time and money.

[Whiterfire]

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42611345]"21?!? hurr that's so ridiculous." Grow up people.

[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2827693/[/url][/QUOTE]

rating science dumb

those double standards

[LooperNor]

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42621037]rating science dumb

those double standards[/QUOTE]

The argument isn't about heavy drinking causing damage, I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread knows and accepts that heavy drinking (at any age) is bad.

If you want to talk double standards, how about letting people have a say in who is to control the country (vote), but not let them choose whether or not to have a drink?

[Swilly]

[QUOTE=TestECull;42611433]
It specifically says heavy drinking. A drink or two is not going to do anything bad, and lowering the drinking age will make it less likely for teens to drink too much.[/QUOTE]

No it won't, a more mature look at drinking and parents actually parenting will lower teen drinking better than any artificial age limit.

[catbarf]

[QUOTE=deadoon;42612593]Based on these graphs, you'd think denmark would have a whole lot more problems with underage drinking than the us does.
[URL]http://www.mdt.mt.gov/safety/docs/taskforces/ojjdp_feb01.pdf[/URL]

They have no restrictions so far as I have found, but their actual problems with drinking are nowhere near the levels that the US reports at having.

[URL]http://www.brewersofeurope.org/docs/publications/BI_DrinkDriveRpt07_4.pdf[/URL]
112 deaths from drunk driving in 2007 with a population of ~5,461,000 means ~ 20 per million people.
Compared to the us:
[URL]http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811016.PDF[/URL]
12,998 deaths from drunk driving in 2007 with a population of ~301,580 means ~ 43 per million people.
[/QUOTE]

I'm sure that has [I]absolutely nothing[/I] to do with [URL="http://www.fyidenmark.com/carownershipdenmark.html"]cars being extremely difficult to acquire in Denmark[/URL], and consequently relatively rare in private ownership, as opposed to being basically a prerequisite for life outside the inner city in the United States. Nothing whatsoever. Nope. Clearly just attitudes towards alcohol, no other factors involved. Definitely a fair comparison. Yep.

[Tom Duggan]

Not QUITE the narrative we were told last week by the national news media is it!??

Erin Cox Mom: Daughter Was at Drinking Party Nearly 30 Minutes, Claims Punished “Based on Sex” in Restraining Order Request
[url]http://valleypatriot.com/erin-cox-mom-daughter-was-at-drinking-party-nearly-30-minutes-claims-punished-based-on-sex-in-restraining-order-request/[/url]

[QUOTE=FFStudios;42611102]In case anyone hadn't heard about it, a girl from my town was arrested at a huge party in the middle of nowhere. Her and her mother decided to kick back and say that she wasn't at the party and was only there to pick up a friend. This story earned national attention and thrust the girl, Erin Cox, into her 15 minutes of fame for her "good deed". However, the truth is finally beginning to be revealed. Students and parents that were at the party or came to pick up their kids are now making police statements saying that she was there long before the cops showed up and that she was equally as hammered as the rest of the bunch. It's not uncommon for someone to lie about going to a party, but if you're going to do it, here's a tip of advice: don't sue the school district when you are lying your ass off.

[editline]22nd October 2013[/editline]

Source: [url]http://valleypatriot.com/breaking-erin-cox-in-lawrence-district-court-for-possession-of-alcohol-family-giving-donations-back/[/url][/QUOTE]

[🅱️🅰️LLS. ➿]

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42611812]I think there is a little more involved in joining the military than opening a bottle and drinking, and I never said that's why they made the law that way, I was simply supporting it staying that way.[/QUOTE]

Every single country allows people to drink at the age of 18 and some below that. Think about that for a second. I can't imagine not being allowed to go into a pub or bar at my age and I'm 19.