Put down that Pizza! Police could strangle you with no repercussions due to your obesity!
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46648141]My ass. Even if chokeholds weren't an illegal use of force, and despite the fact that officers have several non-lethal tools available to subdue an unwilling suspect, that level of brutality still would have been completely unjustified. Garner was not being violent. He was protesting, but not acting violently. And for god's sake, he was selling single cigarettes. Illegal, sure, but hardly something that justifies anything more than a warning or a ticket.[/QUOTE]
He had done it and been convicted multiple times before, clearly he wasn't getting the message, or rather didn't care for the message and chose to ignore it.
Also, while you're being arrested is not the time to "protest"; that's what the courts are for. Anyone who resists arrest is an idiot who is just making it harder on themselves in the best of cases. Being in poor physical health simply makes the situation that much worse for the person resisting.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;46648634]He had done it and been convicted multiple times before, clearly he wasn't getting the message, or rather didn't care for the message and chose to ignore it.
Also, while you're being arrested is not the time to "protest"; that's what the courts are for. Anyone who resists arrest is an idiot who is just making it harder on themselves in the best of cases. Being in poor physical health simply makes the situation that much worse for the person resisting.[/QUOTE]
It's a valid point, but it doesn't justify the officer's actions by any stretch.
The only real question that needs answering is: Was it reasonable to strangle the guy that much?
[QUOTE=Kardia;46648729]The only real question that needs answering is: Was it reasonable to strangle the guy that much?[/QUOTE]
He had every right to strangle, however he failed to strangle him and instead ended up choking him to death.
[QUOTE=Apache249;46648748]He had every right to strangle, however he failed to strangle him and instead ended up choking him to death.[/QUOTE]
Police aren't allowed to use a chokehold on suspects.
[QUOTE=Apache249;46648748]He had every right to strangle, however he failed to strangle him and instead ended up choking him to death.[/QUOTE]
Wait does this right to strangle that you speak of involve a knock out?
[QUOTE=Smallheart;46648814]Police aren't allowed to use a chokehold on suspects.[/QUOTE]
Correct. Choking is impeding airflow. Strangling is impeding bloodflow. One is almost always fatal and the other is an effective and relatively safe way to force compliance from a resisting suspect. That's why one is illegal and the other is part of law-enforcement SOP.
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[QUOTE=Kardia;46649341]Wait does this right to strangle that you speak of involve a knock out?[/QUOTE]
Yes
[QUOTE=Apache249;46649354]Yes[/QUOTE]
Should officers be allowed to do this in your opinion, even when it could kill someone?
[QUOTE=Apache249;46649354]Correct. Choking is impeding airflow. Strangling is impeding bloodflow. One is almost always fatal and the other is an effective and relatively safe way to force compliance from a resisting suspect. That's why one is illegal and the other is part of law-enforcement SOP.][/QUOTE]
NYPD SOP. Departments across the country still use chokes and they vary which ones they teach (blood vs airway)... its weird and I believe there are much better ways of controlling someone than that.
[QUOTE=Kardia;46649402]Should officers be allowed to do this in your opinion, even when it could kill someone?[/QUOTE]
I'll reiterate that a properly performed carotid restraint is extremely safe, and I challenge you (not just you specifically) to find me an example of a fatality purely from such. Practically speaking the only way it could kill someone is by neglecting to take proper precautions and ensure that the restraint does not turn into an airway choke. Should officers be allowed to use this technique? Definitely. It's an extremely safe and effective way for officers of all strengths and sizes to force compliance from a resisting actor. That being said, there's a reason why it precedes only batons and firearms in the SFPD (SFPD for example) use of force continuum. It should definitely not be used when other measures, such as OC spray or perhaps Tasers (despite the less-than-satisfactory 60% success rate with all ECWs), would likely succeed. I cannot stress enough that extreme caution and discretion must be taken, but yes, I 100% believe the carotid restraint should be permitted for use by police officers.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46649523]NYPD SOP. Departments across the country still use chokes and they vary which ones they teach (blood vs airway)... its weird and I believe there are much better ways of controlling someone than that.[/QUOTE]
The idea of any departments authorizing airway chokes is completely absurd to me. I've never heard of such thing. Do you have any examples? I genuinely curious.
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[URL="http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2014/01/reconsidering-carotid-control.aspx"]Here's a good read for those interested[/URL]
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46647970]I think we're on the same page here. I'm not defending the choke hold. I'm not defending the actions of any of those officers.
I just said that his weight was a factor in his death.[/QUOTE]
If it was a really small person he probably would have died quicker simply for having a smaller neck, and would take less pressure to kill someone with a choke hold. Yes his wait was a factor, but bringing it up is fucking dumb considering he said he couldn't breathe about a dozen fucking times.
This made me remember how a person here choked to death after being handcuffed and left to lie on the ground because he was so fat he couldn't fix his position to allow him to breathe.
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