Idea Factory Will No Longer Localize Games Which Need Censoring for Western Regulations - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49254226]maybe theres a little bit of legal trouble involved when you make a game about fondling 13 year olds to get them to fight? wait thats a different japanese company same thing applies, i imagine there is some legal shit involved when you sexualize children in games[/QUOTE] That's just in Canada. It's frowned upon in the US but still legal. Although if the controversy gets big enough, there will be a push for censorship and nobody is going to be want to be known as the guy who defended this stuff. We would need Justin Timberlake, Usher, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, and Jay-Z to defend it.

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49254070]Is it learning Japanese easy because Western media is starting to get dumbed down[/QUOTE] It's easier than learning Chinese but it still requires you memorize like 8000+ characters.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;49254356]here's the thing, these Offended people are actually going to accidentally expand fan-translation teams. So they are not doing any "good", just there won't be official localisations...[/QUOTE] They are doing "good", the games won't gain western profit. Unless you will import from Japan, which most won't. They don't care about fan translations, they care about what actually matters, cutting profits.

Who could predicted this? Fucking anyone. But no, people went on how PC culture didn't cause the pull of DOAX3 and how it'll have no impact at all!

[QUOTE=mooman1080;49254564]Who could predicted this? Fucking anyone. But no, people went on how PC culture didn't cause the pull of DOAX3 and how it'll have no impact at all![/QUOTE]They're just a vocal minority, they have no real power or effect on anything...

[QUOTE=itisjuly;49254574]They're just a vocal minority, they have no real power or effect on anything...[/QUOTE] Bull. Shit.

[QUOTE]Despite Japan’s attitude towards sexuality being quite lax, it seems as though the West’s attitude is making it more difficult for certain kinds of games to make it here unchanged.[/QUOTE] The western market openly mocks the right wing puritans. Now we have left wing feminists pushing this "games are violent" "games cause immorality crap" crap and people are too afraid to fight back.

[QUOTE=DuCT;49254664]Bull. Shit.[/QUOTE] They dont have real power. The people who translate/publish these games do have. If they just didn't pay attention to them, nothing would happen. I think alot of the times these games would not sell anyway but it easier to say this instead of that.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;49254687] I think alot of the times these games would not sell anyway but it easier to say this instead of that.[/QUOTE] Uh, a lot of the games in fact do sell...a lot of the franchises are pretty big in the west. I remember hearing about Neptunia, Onechanbara and plenty other Japanese games like these before I was into Anime.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;49254526]It's easier than learning Chinese but it still requires you memorize like 8000+ characters.[/QUOTE] Not quite. Chinese requires you to learn ~4000 IIRC to read everyday content. Japanese requires around ~2000 of the Chinese characters and ~100 simpler Japanese ones to read everyday content. Chinese seems like it would be easier, you only need to learn one pronunciation per character but Japanese usually have two (and some characters have over 10, fuck 生) pronunciations. According to the US Foreign Service Institute Mandarin and Japanese are both tier III (2200 hours) languages where tier III is the hardest. There was another chart made by some EU related group that had more granularity than 3 tiers and it had Japanese as the hardest in its own category but I can't find it again.

[QUOTE=Xonax;49254728]Uh, a lot of the games in fact do sell...a lot of the franchises are pretty big in the west. I remember hearing about Neptunia, Onechanbara and plenty other Japanese games like these before I was into Anime.[/QUOTE] No, I meant the games that they won't localize. Chances are likely that most of those would not sell enough.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;49254687]They dont have real power. The people who translate/publish these games do have. If they just didn't pay attention to them, nothing would happen. I think alot of the times these games would not sell anyway but it easier to say this instead of that.[/QUOTE] And when you got localizers tweeting that they intentionally change things because they find it problematic, they are the same type. They have power.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;49254687]They dont have real power. The people who translate/publish these games do have. If they just didn't pay attention to them, nothing would happen. I think alot of the times these games would not sell anyway but it easier to say this instead of that.[/QUOTE] They have power Not only are they in the press, They are also in the localization teams for NA and EU A Very Recent Example of this is blade and soul, a game which NC soft would be ported completly uncensored, until they censored it. [url]http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/11/blade-soul-censored-by-localization-team-to-make-it-more-welcoming/[/url] other examples include: [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVWuwVbUkAEZEnV.png[/t] A talk about Self-censoring games from GDC 2008. [t]https://i.imgur.com/lMA3vAJ.jpg[/t] And NoA's Recent Massive amounts of censorship changes, removing breast slider from create-a character and changing outfits in xenoblade chronicles X, Changing a North American indian costume to a cowboy in Bravely Default 2, etc. The only solution right now to be able to play these uncensored is to spend a whole 2 years learning japanese and then buying 80-100$ games from japan to play them in their original form. Thats stupid.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49253560]Yeah, I think I need to suck it up and learn Japanese. At the rate the western games industry is going, I might be importing all my shit in the next 10-15 years. For fucks sake people grow a spine. Stop letting every fantasy/fictional setting/scenario fucking offend you![/QUOTE] I will teach you Japanese, friend, then we enjoy loli game together.

[QUOTE=Wii60;49254770]They have power Not only are they in the press, They are also in the localization teams for NA and EU A Very Recent Example of this is blade and soul, a game which NC soft would be ported completly uncensored, until they censored it. [url]http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/11/blade-soul-censored-by-localization-team-to-make-it-more-welcoming/[/url] other examples include: [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVWuwVbUkAEZEnV.png[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/lMA3vAJ.jpg[/t] And NoA's Recent Massive amounts of censorship changes, removing breast slider from create-a character and changing outfits in xenoblade chronicles X, Changing a North American indian costume to a cowboy in Bravely Default 2, etc.[/QUOTE] but then you prove my point in that the vocal minority dont have the power but the localizers themself? somebody has to approve this. and that second image shows how governments influence localisations(China outlawing tibet etc in Hearts of Iron) and while there was mention of consumers, it was always a government. Again. In the end it is the localizer's responsibility and power. Just want to say that blogjob looks like a very very biased source of information anyway and a bad one at that.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;49254800]but then you prove my point in that the vocal minority dont have the power but the localizers themself? somebody has to approve this. and that second image shows how governments influence localisations(China outlawing tibet etc in Hearts of Iron) and while there was mention of consumers, it was always a government. Again. In the end it is the localizer's responsibility and power. Just want to say that blogjob looks like a very very biased source of information anyway and a bad one at that.[/QUOTE] 1st one is a solid example of PC "fixing" what they see as wrong instead of keeping it how devs intended it. It's not like all SJWs/PC(whatever you wanna call it) are jobless hobos. They hold real jobs that have the potential to affect outcomes. Government is not immune to PC(not counting the China example, that's just China being silly).

[QUOTE=itisjuly;49254842]1st one is a solid example of PC "fixing" what they see as wrong instead of keeping it how devs intended it. It's not like all SJWs/PC(whatever you wanna call it) are jobless hobos. They hold real jobs that have the potential to affect outcomes. Government is not immune to PC(not counting the China example, that's just China being silly).[/QUOTE] but somebody has to approve this for release. It is in the end the fault of the localization company. They fucked up.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49254801]hmm koei got a shitload of publicity from doing that, we should do it too :)[/QUOTE] do you really think the people who read these articles and go on to buy the 80 dollar import version outnumber the people who would've just bought it if it were released normally like, making this into some sort of marketing conspiracy is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever heard

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49254801]hmm koei got a shitload of publicity from doing that, we should do it too :)[/QUOTE] Is it really good to have publicity if you're localizing less games and thus selling games in the process?

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;49254888]but somebody has to approve this for release. It is in the end the fault of the localization company. They fucked up.[/QUOTE] They could probably write whatever bullshit they wanted and no one in management would even notice. It isn't like they're going to double check to make sure the translator isn't removing racism or misogyny or whatever. [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49255013]Is it really good to have publicity if you're localizing less games and thus selling games in the process?[/QUOTE] it isn't like this is manufactured scarcity. People can import as many copies as they want. They just won't bother because importing japanese doujin games is like pulling teeth.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;49254888]but somebody has to approve this for release. It is in the end the fault of the localization company. They fucked up.[/QUOTE] Localization is not a book publisher, they don't have standards of what is and isn't acceptable nor do they look over everything with a fine tooth comb. Even if they do notice it they probably do not care.

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;49253261]Not my Nep Nep![/QUOTE] don't worry, they'll still release neptunia on PC at steam [url]http://gematsu.com/2015/12/monster-monpiece-hyperdimension-neptunia-u-hyperdevotion-noire-coming-steam-2016[/url] they're aren't dumb, they know they'll make a profit.

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;49254044]We need a new Postal game to really make the industry shit itself. The way I see it, if devs release as many outrageous titles as possible then the press is essentially gonna implode in on itself. People will start to take their reviews with a grain of salt after posting so many articles about how outraged they are, and then maybe companies won't be so scared to try something new.[/QUOTE] We'd need the unholy child of Carmageddon & Postal, sprinkled with some blatant lewdness and testosterone.

[QUOTE=Wii60;49253445]thank you moral guardians for defending the purity of my video games, i dont know what i would do if those terrible video games came over to the west simple: they own the games press. The Japan game devs may not be as in-depth of the western culture when they port over their games so they see what the game press says about their stuff. When someone calls your game/series a sexist piece of trash which has no artistic merit on a shitty "top 10 games that set womens rights back 20 years" article with a bunch of mis-information/fake reasons why the game is bad AND the comments full of like-minded people because they ban any dissenting opinion, the japanese devs think "Welp, the west hates us and it probably wont sell well, might as well not put the game over there unless we censor it heavily, which takes more dev time and $$$." This is what happened with DOA3X and is now happening with other devs like Idea factory.[/QUOTE] So, what - we just [b]give in?[/b] We let what the moral guardians worked for come to pass? We should be moving [i]forward[/i] with this stuff and yet idiots like them have set us back a good few years (far more than these types of games have set [i]anything[/i] back) in the name of some twisted mockery of "progress." This is sickening. You'd think Western censorship of Japanese stuff would be [i]gone[/i] by now, not friggin' [i]ten-folded.[/i] I don't even care about actually getting any of the lewder stuff myself; this is just a matter of goddamn [b]principle.[/b]

[QUOTE=Van-man;49255565]We'd need the unholy child of Carmageddon & Postal, sprinkled with some blatant lewdness and testosterone.[/QUOTE] Perhaps this is a job for Facepunch Studios? Get Garry on the phone; we got work to do :v:

[QUOTE=CAS303;49255663]Perhaps this is a job for Facepunch Studios? Get Garry on the phone; we got work to do :v:[/QUOTE] Get Facepunch Studios into publishing uncensored weeb games. That'd make the forums exciting. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=mooman1080;49255063]Localization is not a book publisher, they don't have standards of what is and isn't acceptable nor do they look over everything with a fine tooth comb. Even if they do notice it they probably do not care.[/QUOTE] And those that do care either won't notice due to the obvious language barrier or won't be able to do anything to fix it due time constraints.

[QUOTE=Wii60;49254770]They have power Not only are they in the press, They are also in the localization teams for NA and EU [...] [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVWuwVbUkAEZEnV.png[/t][/QUOTE] And something like this... dear god, I've grown apathetic to the "gamers vs. SJWs" thing lately, but something like this makes me legit furious. Who the [i]hell[/i] is that douchebag? How dare he think he has either the right or the place to filter an entire market's access to a product through his own sick and twisted agenda and - to quote another poster - "'fix' what he sees as wrong instead of keeping it how the devs intended it?" It's not his work to modify and he has no business being the judge of what and what is not acceptable for an entire market, let alone any imagined "moral responsibility." Who gave him this power, and how the hell do we take it away and hold accountable the ones irresponsible enough to let someone like him have that kind of job? He should be [i]barred[/i] from that kind of career ever again because what he did is [i]completely[/i] unethical. And if that hurts his livelihood, to [i]hell[/i] with his livelihood; he blew his goddamn chance. It's not our responsibility to ensure hacks like that get a paycheck from [i]our[/i] industry if all they intend to do is mangle it to fit their own whims.

[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49255795]And something like this... dear god, I've grown apathetic to the "gamers vs. SJWs" thing lately, but something like this makes me legit furious. Who the [i]hell[/i] is that douchebag? How dare he think he has either the right or the place to filter an entire market's access to a product through his own sick and twisted agenda and - to quote another poster - "'fix' what he sees as wrong instead of keeping it how the devs intended it?" It's not his work to modify and he has no business being the judge of what and what is not acceptable for an entire market, let alone any imagined "moral responsibility." Who gave him this power, and how the hell do we take it away and hold accountable the ones irresponsible enough to let someone like him have that kind of job? He should be [i]barred[/i] from that kind of career ever again because what he did is [i]completely[/i] unethical. And if that hurts his livelihood, to [i]hell[/i] with his livelihood; he blew his goddamn chance. It's not our responsibility to ensure hacks like that get a paycheck from [i]our[/i] industry if all they intend to do is mangle it to fit their own whims.[/QUOTE] Who gave him power, several types of people. Those who were and grew apathetic to the growing problem. Those who keep parroting their just gamez. Those who used them as allies as convenience, I'm sure their are a lot who are guilty of that. By far I think and most damping are those who defended them so valiantly, "these people don't exist! They have no real power." And on and on. You now have a group of people who have power because people grew apathetic to them, or were just lol they be games. Or even used them as allies of convince, and they never got any real push back to change themselves or get the fuck out. I did almost forget the people who just gave up. Before I joined on here I was on the Escapist forms and I saw all this shit coming. I never thought it get this bad.

[QUOTE=Wii60;49254770]They have power Not only are they in the press, They are also in the localization teams for NA and EU A Very Recent Example of this is blade and soul, a game which NC soft would be ported completly uncensored, until they censored it. [URL]http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/11/blade-soul-censored-by-localization-team-to-make-it-more-welcoming/[/URL] other examples include: [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVWuwVbUkAEZEnV.png[/t] A talk about Self-censoring games from GDC 2008. [t]https://i.imgur.com/lMA3vAJ.jpg[/t] And NoA's Recent Massive amounts of censorship changes, removing breast slider from create-a character and changing outfits in xenoblade chronicles X, Changing a North American indian costume to a cowboy in Bravely Default 2, etc. The only solution right now to be able to play these uncensored is to spend a whole 2 years learning japanese and then buying 80-100$ games from japan to play them in their original form. Thats stupid.[/QUOTE] I also recall the localizers who did the HD version of Final Fantasy Type 0 suddenly deciding that moogles use those bullshit imaginary pronouns. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GVYrHAa.png[/IMG] I feel bad for the original writers for having to deal with their work being twisted and used for an agenda like this.

[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49255795]And something like this... dear god, I've grown apathetic to the "gamers vs. SJWs" thing lately, but something like this makes me legit furious. Who the [i]hell[/i] is that douchebag? How dare he think he has either the right or the place to filter an entire market's access to a product through his own sick and twisted agenda and - to quote another poster - "'fix' what he sees as wrong instead of keeping it how the devs intended it?" It's not his work to modify and he has no business being the judge of what and what is not acceptable for an entire market, let alone any imagined "moral responsibility." Who gave him this power, and how the hell do we take it away and hold accountable the ones irresponsible enough to let someone like him have that kind of job? He should be [i]barred[/i] from that kind of career ever again because what he did is [i]completely[/i] unethical. And if that hurts his livelihood, to [i]hell[/i] with his livelihood; he blew his goddamn chance. It's not our responsibility to ensure hacks like that get a paycheck from [i]our[/i] industry if all they intend to do is mangle it to fit their own whims.[/QUOTE] That's NISA for you. They're notorious in weeb gamer circles for a reason. Go ahead and tell /v/ NISA isn't so bad if you want to get a feel for how loved they are. As far as anyone can tell, they're extremely entrenched in this type of thinking and are run top-to-bottom with this mentality. Rampant censorship is merely one of the plethora of terrible problems with NISA, right next to that thing where they manage to add game breaking bugs to the localized versions that weren't even in the originals.