Cologne cops defend use of racial profiling on New Year's Eve, Chief praises its success - Polidicks

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51612924]Have some empathy man.[/QUOTE] This being another reason why it's unreasonable to argue on behalf of others, how do we know that the majority of peaceful migrants had issues with the use of racial profiling on new year's Eve. If you had any empathy for rape victims surely you would see this as a means to an end? If I was part of a racial group that had behaved in such a manner I would be only too pleased to help the authorities in any way that I could so as not to be associated in any way with it.

I admit I only read the posts on page 1, but how absolutely fucked in the head do you have to be to actually prioritize your worthless fucking feelings over people's safety? You people should have your rights to vote taken away

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51613045]Civil rights and liberties arent "worthless fucking feelings"[/QUOTE] I'll gladly take being interrogated for 15 minutes over me and my family getting killed by some Islamist piece of shit

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51612924]If IRA becomes a serious threat with multiple casualties and other serious crimes, possibly. I'd rather be stopped and checked than someone being killed or raped because I wasn't. Have some empathy man.[/QUOTE] So it would be correct for me to be stopped and searched because of my ethnic and race? Do you know what ammunition that'd give to the IRA? Do you know how much stronger that'd make them? It'd completely legitimise them! It'd be madness as a policy. As the British learned in Northern Ireland. Do you know the point I'm making? These type of policies are the same mistakes the British made in Northern Ireland, and Irish and British people paid for those mistakes in blood and wasted years.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51612888]Your campus isn't a big red target for an attack, at least not compared to new years celebrations in a densely populated area with colossal global media coverage. I'd hate to see half of you in charge of policy making, your raw naivety would cause so much pain it's unbelievable[/QUOTE] Do you have reading issues? You're not even close to understanding what I wrote, the cavity search part was a joke, showing that "security must take precedent" is absurd on its own and isn't a justification for anything specific. Which is why you added your own qualification to this post, basically exemplifying what I was saying.

[QUOTE=NotMeh;51613074]I'll gladly take being interrogated for 15 minutes over me and my family getting killed by some Islamist piece of shit[/QUOTE] That's easy to say when you're not brown and aren't being specifically targeted by racial profiling.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51612972]This being another reason why it's unreasonable to argue on behalf of others, how do we know that the majority of peaceful migrants had issues with the use of racial profiling on new year's Eve. If you had any empathy for rape victims surely you would see this as a means to an end? If I was part of a racial group that had behaved in such a manner I would be only too pleased to help the authorities in any way that I could so as not to be associated in any way with it.[/QUOTE] Yeah the ethnic group in its entirety behaved in such a manner as if it's inherent that that ethnic group behaves in such a manner ffs man the ethnic group didn't 'behave in such a manner' those specific men who happened to be a part of that certain ethnic group behaved in such a manner I hope the words you've chosen here weren't deliberately this bizarre and you meant something else Anyway, the way ISIS recruits people and interviews or general opinions I've read from people of North-African or Arab descent leads me to think otherwise Ethnic profiling like this leads to innocent immigrants feeling like nobody in the West cares about them (you're pretty much treating them all like they're second class citizens after all), which ISIS then in turn uses to gain recruits these methods aren't very beneficial to integration, and it just gives groups like ISIS more ammo Also, it seems like people are viewing the problem of immigrants of North-African, Arab, etc descent being over represented in crime statistics through different glasses than for example black people being over represented in crime statistics in the US, even though it's pretty much the same problem. These immigrants live in shitty, poor neighbourhoods. This, in short, often leads to crime. Most people will say the extremely similar problem in the US isn't the fault of 'the black race' (which it isn't), so why [I]are[/I] the immigrants in Europe exclusively being blamed for this? I don't think I'm stretching things when I say that Arab cultures probably don't promote laziness or criminality either.

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBt7_pgJ92w[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70P_UW5VwWY[/media] Just going to post this cause I think some people could get an idea what profiling looks like on a enforced level that happens daily. Now take that and realize that this was used for a specific event that had key attributes for what caused it, a large amount of criminals from the previous event still out there, a resource problem in the number of cops they could muster, and I would easily argue that this was a justified and pragmatic application of such a measure. And the only alternative I am seeing from the other side is more cops, cameras, and screening everyone. First, not even always practical in a resource sense. Second, more security for everyone and liberties are still being lost, and Third, completely contradicts the statistics and facts that came out of the previous precedent.

Well German police didn't only just use racial profiling, but simplicity of arguing instead of me having to say "racial profiling, body language, other stuff etc." everytime since you don't give a shit about the other stuff. The racial profiling part is the real debate, but it was integral for both examples given.

I'm skeptical that it was the racial profiling that helped and not the [I]massively [/I]increased police presence since the previous time around [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] as someone else said, it may even work well in the short term but if you do this in the long run you'll breed way more racism

[QUOTE=Turnips5;51613385]I'm skeptical that it was the racial profiling that helped and not the [I]massively [/I]increased police presence since the previous time around [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] as someone else said, it may even work well in the short term but if you do this in the long run you'll breed way more racism[/QUOTE] Did you not read the part about how there was a massive group congregation like last year that swept in and they had to use racial profiling to reroute that group? Or the part where the German police are advocating that this tactic was integral. I don't know if you ever been to Germany before, but Germans and the police there don't typically advocate for this kind of stuff at all.

How does having police check someone's identification and break up their groups stop sexual assault more than just those same police being in the area anyways?

[QUOTE=plunger435;51613415]How does having police check someone's identification and break up their groups stop sexual assault more than just those same police being in the area anyways?[/QUOTE] Police are not all-seeing. Breaking up groups reduces the risk of mob assault. Depending on situation, a large enough group can be a danger not only to civilians, but to those same police too. It's much harder to rape someone when you're surrounded to strangers as opposed to your groupies.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51613428]Police are not all-seeing. Breaking up groups reduces the risk of mob assault. Depending on situation, a large enough group can be a danger not only to civilians, but to those same police too. It's much harder to rape someone when you're surrounded to strangers as opposed to your groupies.[/QUOTE] Nothing says good times and freedom like not being able to hang out with my friends on New Years because we all might be potential rapists.

[QUOTE=plunger435;51613441]Nothing says good times and freedom like not being able to hang out with my friends on New Years because we all might be potential rapists.[/QUOTE] Well unless your group composes of more than several dozen people, you probably are not getting broken up away from each other.

This thread is disgusting

[QUOTE=Tudd;51613460]Well unless your group composes of more than several dozen people, you probably are not getting broken up away from each other.[/QUOTE] Our 20 probably fits that.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51613471]This thread is disgusting[/QUOTE] Actually mass rape and sexual assault is infinitely more disgusting, and considering we went from 1200+ cases last year to less than a dozen this year in the same area, I would expect some extraordinary data coming from you guys on what alternatives work like that. Because right now all of you are arguing theoretical scenarios that the people being hassled for questioning are going to turn to radicalizing and lose liberties. But ironically, you haven't brought anything to table in hard facts to prove this and/or suggest increasing security to the point that liberties are lost anyways. Do you even listen to yourself when you say "more police, mass surveillance, and screen everyone." that you are just going to take away the same liberties you argue for in the name of not being racist?

[QUOTE=Tudd;51613670]Actually mass rape and sexual assault is infinitely more disgusting, and considering we went from 1200+ cases last year to less than a dozen this year in the same area, I would expect some extraordinary data coming from you guys on what alternatives work like that. Because right now all of you are arguing theoretical scenarios that the people being hassled for questioning are going to turn to radicalizing and lose liberties. But ironically, you haven't brought anything to table in hard facts to prove this and/or suggest increasing security to the point that liberties are lost anyways. Do you even listen to yourself when you say "more police, mass surveillance, and screen everyone." that you are just going to take away the same liberties you argue for in the name of not being racist?[/QUOTE] What the fuck is wrong with you and these posts. Have you ever left your basement and attended large events in your life? There's cameras, emergency contact phones, officers you didn't even know exist, attendance/entry policies, mutual aid, among others. It's completely normal and not infringing on anyone's rights or liberties. The only thing that's happening in this thread is mostly people defending racial profiling. And before you say it was only a part of their profiling, it wasn't. They targeted people who appeared to be of North African descent. Maybe they should stop treating them like presumed criminals and like everyone else. But maybe law enforcement in the US is being held to a higher standard here because the public demands it. If people in Germany are ok with their law enforcement using racial profiling as standard procedure then so be it.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51613698]What the fuck is wrong with you and these posts. Have you ever left your basement and attended large events in your life? There's cameras, emergency contact phones, officers you didn't even know exist, attendance/entry policies, mutual aid, among others. It's completely normal and not infringing on anyone's rights or liberties. The only thing that's happening in this thread is mostly people defending racial profiling. And before you say it was only a part of their profiling, it wasn't. They targeted people who appeared to be of North African descent. Maybe they should stop treating them like presumed criminals and like everyone else. But maybe law enforcement in the US is being held to a higher standard here because the public demands it. If people in Germany are ok with their law enforcement using racial profiling as standard procedure then so be it.[/QUOTE] Maybe we can send the Swedish dialogue police over to try and talk to the perpetrators to ask them nicely not to commit crimes. It works very (not) well here in Sweden.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51613698]What the fuck is wrong with you and these posts. Have you ever left your basement and attended large events in your life? There's cameras, emergency contact phones, officers you didn't even know exist, attendance/entry policies, mutual aid, among others. It's completely normal and not infringing on anyone's rights or liberties. [B]The only thing that's happening in this thread is mostly people defending racial profiling. And before you say it was only a part of their profiling, it wasn't. They targeted people who appeared to be of North African descent. Maybe they should stop treating them like presumed criminals and like everyone else. But maybe law enforcement in the US is being held to a higher standard here because the public demands it. [/B] If people in Germany are ok with their law enforcement using racial profiling as standard procedure then so be it.[/QUOTE] It worked.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51613698]What the fuck is wrong with you and these posts. Have you ever left your basement and attended large events in your life? There's cameras, emergency contact phones, officers you didn't even know exist, attendance/entry policies, mutual aid, among others. It's completely normal and not infringing on anyone's rights or liberties. [/QUOTE] Oh you mean the same methods that were used for last year's events that didn't go well. I camped out by myself at Rock im Park two summers ago in Nuremberg, went to the rave at Tempelhof Airport in Berlin, and 100+ person pub-crawled through the streets, so if anyone has had any recent experience with large crowds and security in Germany, it probably isn't you if were going by a stupid "who's been outside more" contest.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613708]Maybe we can send the Swedish dialogue police over to try and talk to the perpetrators to ask them nicely not to commit crimes. It works very (not) well here in Sweden.[/QUOTE] that's not what he said...??

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51613721]It worked.[/QUOTE] "does the end justify the means" -- this is half assed lazy policing. And that's where I'm leaving it.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51613791]"does the end justify the means" -- this is [b]half assed lazy policing[/b]. And that's where I'm leaving it.[/QUOTE] It's actually quite full assed and the opposite of lazy.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51613857]It's actually quite full assed and the opposite of lazy.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You want to support racial profiling go ahead. In law enforcement that's lazy work. There are better and more innovative ways to combat things than taking the easy way out like they did here.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51613096]So it would be correct for me to be stopped and searched because of my ethnic and race? Do you know what ammunition that'd give to the IRA? Do you know how much stronger that'd make them? It'd completely legitimise them! It'd be madness as a policy. As the British learned in Northern Ireland. Do you know the point I'm making? These type of policies are the same mistakes the British made in Northern Ireland, and Irish and British people paid for those mistakes in blood and wasted years.[/QUOTE] So terrorism in Ireland would have been less if there were no border searches and no stop and search? [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;51613896]I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You want to support racial profiling go ahead. In law enforcement that's lazy work. There are better and more innovative ways to combat things than taking the easy way out like they did here.[/QUOTE] And these are obviously better way's and that's why the police chose them, er No wait...

Send them all to USA and Russia.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51613791]"does the end justify the means" -- this is half assed lazy policing. And that's where I'm leaving it.[/QUOTE] Yes it does, the outcome was a success in terms of lot's of people never got raped.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51613957]Yes it does, the outcome was a success in terms of lot's of people never got raped.[/QUOTE] You should watch Dirty Harry