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[QUOTE=David29;34481049]...Which means that the original study could be just as untrue. Hence why I don't trust studies.[/QUOTE] Then why do you tust [I]anything at all[/I] if there's a chance it could be untrue? In fact, by saying that you don't trust them, you're implying that you don't "trust" objective facts. Are you schizophrenic or what?
[QUOTE=Cone;34481182]Then why do you tust [I]anything at all[/I] if there's a chance it could be untrue? In fact, by saying that you don't trust them, you're implying that you don't "trust" objective facts. Are you schizophrenic or what?[/QUOTE] Ok, let's try again. Apparently I have to base my opinions around studies because someone on Facepunch told me so. So a study comes out saying x is bad - so I (apparently) need to think x is bad. Then a different study comes out saying x isn't bad... I'm seeing a slight problem here.
[QUOTE=David29;34481254]Ok, let's try again. Apparently I have to base my opinions around studies because someone on Facepunch told me so. So a study comes out saying x is bad - so I (apparently) need to think x is bad. Then a different study comes out saying x isn't bad... I'm seeing a slight problem here.[/QUOTE] So read the reasoning behind someone saying X is or isn't bad. If someone says something is bad just "because", then someone else comes out and says "actually it's a binary fact that X is good because of quantum physics and the nature of the universe", would you not trust someone who says X is good because someone else says something different?
[QUOTE=Cone;34481329]So read the reasoning behind someone saying X is or isn't bad. If someone says something is bad just "because", then someone else comes out and says "actually it's a binary fact that X is good because of quantum physics and the nature of the universe", would you not trust someone who says X is good because someone else says something different?[/QUOTE] Ah good, I feel better now. Because I read through the articles I provided, and their explations provide some pretty sound reasoning behind why it's not the end of the world if you use physical punishment as a last resort and in moderation. In other words: I've read my own material. It makes sense. Thus, my views remain unchanged.
[QUOTE=David29;34479143]Raises a good point at the end of the article about consistency of discipline - I wonder how many of your studies take that into accout...[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/01/is_spanking_children_ok_calvin.html]Yours doesn't.[/url] [quote]The research, now attracting international attention, shows the punishment is most effective on children between the ages of 2 and 6, Gunnoe found. The study did not consider the frequency or severity of the discipline.[/quote] That 'National Scene' site is full of shit. From the Daily Beast: [url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/28/my-great-escape.html[/url] Unrelated? Read this, from the mlive site: [quote]The data are swipes at the norm and Gabe Griffin, of Pediatric Psychologists of West Michigan, warns against embracing a new style of parenting. "It can very easily cross over from a discipline in a calm, measured way to an out of control moment," Griffin said. "Parents always think its in a controlled manner, but clearly it's not. "Obviously it's not going to harm every kid, but the potential is there and it isn't worth the risk." A majority of adults were spanked, but cultural shifts have moved perceptions even among older adults, Griffin said. He's counseled grandparents who spanked their children and no longer believe it's acceptable for their grandchildren. Griffin advises parents to focus more on altering behavior through teaching and praise. Time-outs and taking away privileges often work, but focus too much on the bad action. "Pay attention to them when they do it right," he said.[/quote] Also: [url]http://www.parentdish.com/2010/01/05/researcher-says-a-little-spanking-is-good-for-kids/[/url] I can't seem to find the actual study anywhere online, so I can't go through it and see if it's right or not.
[QUOTE=David29;34481405]Ah good, I feel better now. Because I read through the articles I provided, and their explations provide some pretty sound reasoning behind why it's not the end of the world if you use physical punishment as a last resort and in moderation. In other words: I've read my own material. It makes sense. Thus, my views remain unchanged.[/QUOTE] So I'm going to assume you're not going to use a retarded reason not to read OUR sources then
[QUOTE=Cone;34481433]So I'm going to assume you're not going to use a retarded reason not to read OUR sources then[/QUOTE] I have done. Is that meant to make any difference? Just because I read your source doesn't mean I will automatically say "holy shit he's right!".
[QUOTE=David29;34481756]I have done. Is that meant to make any difference? Just because I read your source doesn't mean I will automatically say "holy shit he's right!".[/QUOTE] It means you won't make baseless statements anymore. Which hopefully means you'll grow to listen a bit better.
[QUOTE=Cone;34481789]It means you won't make baseless statements anymore. Which hopefully means you'll grow to listen a bit better.[/QUOTE] ...Eh? I never made any baseless statements. Are you just randomly typing stuff and hoping it makes sense?
[QUOTE=David29;34481997]...Eh? I never made any baseless statements. Are you just randomly typing stuff and hoping it makes sense?[/QUOTE] You disregarded logic for half a page in an attempt to refuse to read our sources.
[QUOTE=Cone;34482020]You disregarded logic for half a page in an attempt to refuse to read our sources.[/QUOTE] Quote where I ever said "I refuse to read your sources" or something to that effect. You have a fixation with just because I don't agree with something it obviously means I haven't read it.
[QUOTE=Vasili;34463220]Might does not make right. Hitting a child doesn't teach him/her right or wrong.[/QUOTE] It teaches them that there are consequences for their actions...sometimes.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;34482177]It teaches them that there are consequences for their actions...sometimes.[/QUOTE] obviously doesn't if they continue to do it. It teaches kids to become better liars and distracts the child from learning how to resolve conflict in an effective and humane way By the way have you ever wondered why a lot of people (specifically women) like to be spanked?Spanking on the buttocks, an erogenous zone in childhood, can create in the child's mind an association between pain and sexual pleasure and lead to difficulties in adulthood. If a child receives little parental attention except when being punished, this will further merge the concepts of pain and pleasure in the child's mind. A child in this situation will have little self-esteem, believing he deserves nothing better. Even relatively moderate spanking can be physically dangerous. Blows to the lower end of the spinal column send shock waves along the length of the spine, and may injure the child. The prevalence of lower back pain among adults in our society may well have its origins in childhood punishment. Some children have become paralyzed through nerve damage from spanking, and some have died after mild paddlings, due to undiagnosed medical complications. Because children learn through parental modeling, physical punishment gives the message that hitting is an appropriate way to express feelings and to solve problems. If a child does not observe a parent solving problems in a creative and humane way, it can be difficult for him to learn to do this himself. For this reason, unskilled parenting often continues into the next generation. Gentle instruction, supported by a strong foundation of love and respect, is the only truly effective way to bring about commendable behavior based on strong inner values, instead of superficially "good" behavior based only on fear.
[QUOTE=Vasili;34482265] By the way have you ever wondered why a lot of people (specifically women) like to be spanked?Spanking on the buttocks, an erogenous zone in childhood, can create in the child's mind an association between pain and sexual pleasure and lead to difficulties in adulthood. If a child receives little parental attention except when being punished, this will further merge the concepts of pain and pleasure in the child's mind. A child in this situation will have little self-esteem, believing he deserves nothing better. Even relatively moderate spanking can be physically dangerous. Blows to the lower end of the spinal column send shock waves along the length of the spine, and may injure the child. The prevalence of lower back pain among adults in our society may well have its origins in childhood punishment. Some children have become paralyzed through nerve damage from spanking, and some have died after mild paddlings, due to undiagnosed medical complications.[/QUOTE] I'm curious, what's your source on this? I've never heard of most of these things, except maybe for the sexual association part but even then I've never seen conclusive evidence for it.
[QUOTE=froztshock;34483401]I'm curious, what's your source on this? I've never heard of most of these things, except maybe for the sexual association part but even then I've never seen conclusive evidence for it.[/QUOTE] If you look back the next page I provided multiple links to different studies/pages with links to said studies.
Because all working class children end up in gangs...
[QUOTE=David29;34475427] In my eyes, smacking makes sense. It's all about teaching us lessons while we are young and firmly instilling a sense of right and wrong. The brain is built to learn from mistakes and if it associates pain with something (i.e. doing something really wrong like, for example, punching your sister) then it wont do it again. It makes logical sense.[/QUOTE] "in my eyes, it's all about not paying attention during psychology lectures".
[QUOTE=Vasili;34483666]If you look back the next page I provided multiple links to different studies/pages with links to said studies.[/QUOTE] Ah, thanks.
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