[Jeremy Kyle] Crosses line after insensitive discussion about anorexia.
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[QUOTE=Pascall;49967993]Seasonal depression isn't self-induced so much as it's circumstantial and conditional.
It still affects a portion of your brain, but it's more of an outside stimulus rather than an internal one.[/QUOTE]
There are even specially tinted lights some practitioners prescribe. Light is pretty influential.
this is more for depression than eating disorders, though, afaik
[QUOTE=sgman91;49967338]This is different than say medically diagnosed depression. You generally can't fix anorexia with a pill. It's a psychological issue that requires therapy. It's self-induced in the sense that it's an issue with your mind and thinking, not with the physics of your body.
So yes, it's a mental illness, but it's not an illness in the same sense that chemically based illnesses are.[/QUOTE]
You can't fix depression with a pill either.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49967388]I'm sure that isn't [I]literally [/I]what he meant, he likely just worded it very poorly. Obviously mental illness's aren't controllable and your actions are because you can control yourself but it's not something like cancer. It's something you need to overcome and deal with in time.
you're doing it to yourself but your not in control of your own actions. You never asked to have a mental illness but you can't stop yourself.[/QUOTE]
Aman is a consistently awful poster who has time and time again shown little understanding for how people actually work. It's safe to take that comment at face value.
Even considering any form of mental illness as something you "bring upon yourself" is pretty fucking awful. Sure, from an outside perspective watching that dude with OCD recount his keys for the 20th time in the hour may look like something he can "just stop doing". But they can't, the chemical processes of our brains are stupidly complex, if something goes wrong it can be quite hard to fight against consciously. Shit, a lot of the time you [I]know[/I] you're doing the thing again, but you just can't fight it easily when your brain is literally tearing itself apart over the thing.
And that's just from mild social anxiety brought upon by other mental health issues that I have managed to work around the tics for. I [I]know[/I] when I'm missing social cues now, and even trying to fight it doesn't work out as the anxiety part itself is like "woooahh bro, you sure you want to be doing that? what if you look weird, they're already laughing see?". So god help those who suffer Anorexia or Depression, knowingly starving yourself but being unable to do much about it without therapy would be up there in my "worst things" list.
[QUOTE=wrv451nlp;49967339]Maybe those hurt feelings will encourage them to put on a couple pounds.
Anorexia is all around bad for your health, Much like obesity[/QUOTE]
Don't be a fucking idiot. That's like expecting an alcoholic to stop drinking because of 'hurt feelings' and yes, I've been there.
Kyle's a twat if you ask me. Two-faced prick with fake smiles who acts like he's your friend one minute and the next is launching a scathing attack on you. His show's trash.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49967944]Because I have seasonal depression myself for winter and it really is because of my entire perspective, even after talking with a psychiatrist they agreed.
Its not that I PURPOSELY do it, its just it being cold+dark and where I live in winter the sun is down by 4:30. Its more self induced because its coming from how you personally look at it.
That said, if its a winter I was skiing a lot in, its not their, because im out and about and my entire perspective of the winter is changed. When I say self-induced I dont mean I literally try and get depressed, it just comes because of how I personally view it at times.
Where as something like Chronic Depression is pretty much entirely out of your control because it ends up being your chemical make up.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I did jump the gun there. A lot of people actually, with very similar words, mean that literally people made themselves depressed/anorexic for attention, so I read it as that.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49967338]This is different than say medically diagnosed depression. You generally can't fix anorexia with a pill. It's a psychological issue that requires therapy. It's self-induced in the sense that it's an issue with your mind and thinking, not with the physics of your body.
So yes, it's a mental illness, but it's not an illness in the same sense that chemically based illnesses are.[/QUOTE]
Every mental disorder has a physical root in the brain. An "issue with mind and thinking" is literally what depression is. Just because one can be treated or reduced, doesn't differentiate it from the other. It is most definitely dependent on neurochemical and structural factors.
The brain and mind are one.
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Forgot to source it up in here.
[url]http://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2015-03-23-anorexia-nervosa-and-brain-response-to-hunger.aspx[/url]
[QUOTE=Pascall;49967415]Bullimia is more commonly self induced.[/QUOTE]
Nope, that too is a disease.
[url]http://www.eatingdisorderhope.com/information/bulimia/bulimia-and-the-brain-how-is-neurobiology-a-factor[/url]
[quote]Scientists have also discovered through the use of brain studies that neurological abnormalities contribute to the development of bulimia nervosa. This may be a result of altered brain chemicals, such as serotonin levels, which contribute to the dysregulation of mood, appetite, and impulse control in bulimia. [/quote]
Just to clarify, low levels of serotonin is not [I]only[/I] associated with depression.
For those that don't know, this is basically how Jeremy Kyle operates. He yells at people with mental illnesses to stop having that illness usually until they are in tears. Then looks smug and declares mission accomplished.
He isn't the first person to say this, not even the first this week
[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35797158[/URL]
I think its telling that even a spokesperson for a mental health anti-stigma campaign defined it as "complex", there isn't really a right answer when it comes to things like this.
these people making the kind of comments have absolutely no clue or credential to back up whatever they're saying at all.
They're imbeciles making hollow points out of their arse for attention.
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"a sign of the overindulgence of our society, over-introspection, narcissism really"
this is actually sad.
"over-introspection", seriously.
How about everybody's mind works differently and in some cases there will be an element of self-inducing but in others there might not be. Fuck me.
What is this "It's just your brain chemistry's fault, not yours" garbage, or the inverse. How do you think brains work, it's entirely chemistry. You can't be "fucked up" without the "chemistry" being fucked up. Genetics too, which is also amazingly, "chemistry".
But usually when people say something is mentally induced they mean "of someone's own will" or something. Which, surprisingly, is also chemistry. Or spirits or something.
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