• Evidence of Israel having nuclear weapons.
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[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;22159075]I'm very concerned by the fact they offered them to the apartheid regime. Bad, bad, bad.[/QUOTE] In before nuclear civil war.
The irony is hilarious. Hint: Apartheid
I thought everyone knew Israel had nuclear weapons anyway.
The dude getting arrested for confirming the existence of nukes had it coming. If he were in China, he'd already been executed and if he was in the U.S.A he would be sentenced for life. :v: I don't see how this is a big deal.
It's not supposed to be a surprise, it's just that there weren't convincing evidence until now.
Nukes in Israel? What for? Defense? If they blow up a neighboring country, they will end up getting irradiated as well. I bet the power of the nuke explosion is bigger than the nation itself
Okay. Fuck Israel. Offering nukes to apartheid regimes is going too fucking far.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;22153207]So a world power shouldn't be allowed to have nukes just because you don't like them? What.[/QUOTE] No, because of tensions in the region, and the fact Iran seems to be pushing for them.
[QUOTE=BCell;22162151]Nukes in Israel? What for? Defense? If they blow up a neighboring country, they will end up getting irradiated as well. I bet the power of the nuke explosion is bigger than the nation itself[/QUOTE] It's known as "dick waving". Nobody is going to use nuclear bombs, there were always meant to scare off after they were first used against humans.
Israel, in recent years, seems to have adopted the nazi paradigm.
[QUOTE=BCell;22162151]Nukes in Israel? What for? Defense? If they blow up a neighboring country, they will end up getting irradiated as well. I bet the power of the nuke explosion is bigger than the nation itself[/QUOTE] Yes, for defense. The threat of nukes has kept Israel safe for a while now.
[QUOTE=archangel125;22162242]Israel, in recent years, seems to have adopted the nazi paradigm.[/QUOTE] I find it ironic to see that they are slowly becoming what they hated the most. But they still have free speech and trade right? They are not yet fascist or communist yet. Only greed and corruption But this is a misnomer. Plus what good does having nukes do to them if it only make situation worse? If they nuke the entire region around them and they will be trap in a nuclear desert
[QUOTE=BCell;22162305]I find it ironic to see that they are slowly becoming what they hated the most. But they still have free speech and trade right? They are not yet fascist or communist yet. Only greed and corruption But this is a misnomer. Plus what good does having nukes do to them if it only make situation worse? If they nuke the entire region around them and they will be trap in a nuclear desert[/QUOTE] The main purpose of the nukes is not for offensive means. Their main purpose is- 1. Dick waving 2. If all else fails (IE Israel gets hit by nuclear weapons/becomes overtaken by arab nations), they're sure as hell dragging everyone else with them. That scares any arab nation from ever performing such thing.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;22153207]So a world power shouldn't be allowed to have nukes just because you don't like them? What.[/QUOTE] lol world power
I really hate it when people compare Israel with Nazi Germany. There may be things which appear to be similiar, for example "walling up Gaza into a huge ghetto", but there are reasons which justify a lot of these things, for example the walls are to prevent infiltrators and suicide bombers, and in recent years it's working. I remember throughout my childhood every other week there'd be another suicide bomber killing 20+ innocent people, but in the past 3 years, nothing. I'm sure there are a lot of other things which you may find similar, ask me anything and I'll probably be able to explain it.
You could objectively justify the warsaw ghetto, too. Just saying. Even if you could provide some justification for something, people may still not like it.
The Nazis confined the Jews to ghettos not because they were a risk to their security, but because they wanted to hold them in a confined place until they can come up with a solution for what to do with them, in the meantime they couldn't care less about them dying there. You could say the Nazis actually believed that what they're doing is good, but as long as you don't believe so it's not a good excuse.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22166156]The Nazis confined the Jews to ghettos not because they were a risk to their security, but because they wanted to hold them in a confined place until they can come up with a solution for what to do with them, in the meantime they couldn't care less about them dying there. You could say the Nazis actually believed that what they're doing is good, but as long as you don't believe so it's not a good excuse.[/QUOTE] The parallels are there for a reason. They may not be nazi germany, but they still justify muslim ghettos on their own reasons.
Wasn't it already known that Israel has nukes?
It's not a ghetto, they are a different country, Israel didn't put them all there, they aren't citizens of this country and Israel has the right to put walls up and defend it's borders from infiltrators, especially if they are such a threat to security. The only thing that is similar is the walls, everything else is different - the goal, the people, the methods, the beliefs.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22166691]It's not a ghetto, they are a different country, Israel didn't put them all there, they aren't citizens of this country and Israel has the right to put walls up and defend it's borders from infiltrators, especially if they are such a threat to security. The only thing that is similar is the walls, everything else is different - the goal, the people, the methods, the beliefs.[/QUOTE] wow, what the fuck is wrong with you? so many wrong things with that post.
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22166743]wow, what the fuck is wrong with you? so many wrong things with that post.[/QUOTE] How about you at least try and point out the wrong things? Your trolling skills have deteriorated, I am disappointed.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22166897]How about you at least try and point out the wrong things? Your trolling skills have deteriorated, I am disappointed.[/QUOTE] not going to bother with that right now and dissent = troll? sorry that we don't get hard ons for zionism/mass murder/war crimes like you do. do you happen to have any brown people locked up in your basement? it would be perfectly okay according to you.
You're a troll, because all you do is annoy people while trying to sound smart or whatever, while in reality you're contributing nothing to the discussion. Your average post is like "wow you're wrong, do you even know anything about X/Y/Z?"
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22167563]You're a troll, because all you do is annoy people while trying to sound smart or whatever, while in reality you're contributing nothing to the discussion. Your average post is like "wow you're wrong, do you even know anything about X/Y/Z?"[/QUOTE] lol says the person who will never admit he's wrong regardless of how much evidence is presented proving it.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22167563]You're a troll, because all you do is annoy people while trying to sound smart or whatever, while in reality you're contributing nothing to the discussion. Your average post is like "wow you're wrong, do you even know anything about X/Y/Z?"[/QUOTE] You're a nationalist who ignores evidence to the contrary of what you believe. You can't talk.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22166691]It's not a ghetto, they are a different country, Israel didn't put them all there, they aren't citizens of this country and Israel has the right to put walls up and defend it's borders from infiltrators, especially if they are such a threat to security. The only thing that is similar is the walls, everything else is different - the goal, the people, the methods, the beliefs.[/QUOTE] You dumb turd. Israel took Palestine from the Palestinians. The land it's trying to protect is not its own. They took it by force and they won't give it back.
Again with the weak trolling tactics. I didn't admit I was wrong because you failed to bring sufficient evidence. I do admit being wrong when presented with evidence (which happened several times, for example in a recent thread: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=936865&page=4[/url] You can see jA_cOp proved me wrong after a short discussion and I admitted it.
BurnEmDown, what everyone else is saying about you is right. Open your damn eyes. Your country is the evil overlord where the Palestinians are concerned, and the leader of Israel may as well be Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin for all the wrongs Israel has done.
[QUOTE=archangel125;22167782]You dumb turd. Israel took Palestine from the Palestinians. The land it's trying to protect is not its own. They took it by force and they won't give it back.[/QUOTE] When Israel took most of its land from the Arabs there were no "Palestinians", when it took the West Bank and Gaza there still were no "Palestinians", only a few years later the term was coined. Israel gave up the Gaza strip hoping it will bring peace and stop the rocket attacks against its southern borders, but they only intensified, why should Israel do the same with the West Bank if it can't know for sure it will bring peace? [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22167648]You're a nationalist who ignores evidence to the contrary of what you believe. You can't talk.[/QUOTE] Deja-vu, you've already said this to which I've answered with this post, and you've yet to reply: [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21917046] [quote=humanabyss]Still no reply to the fact you rely on secondary evidence that isn't admissible in a court of law over primary evidence which is? [/quote] Just because you claim it isn't admissible in a court of law and is a secondary evidence doesn't mean that it is so. You still didn't respond to this too: [quote=burnemdown]For the last few pages all you've said is that I rely on poor evidence, and your explanation for this isn't convincing. Check the following for further explanation: Just because they tried two things and both led to moderate evidence doesn't mean it's true. Correlation =\= Causation. If I say that whenever I blink a person dies, because I blink, doesn't mean that it's true, even though the first part would be true (since several people die each second, whenever I'd blink a person surely will die). Just because they asked witnesses and they answered one thing, then checked it and couldn't disprove what the witnesses said, doesn't mean it's true. For example I could say that because a man can't prove that god doesn't exist, a god surely does exist, but that is not science, that is not evidence. They didn't prove concrete evidence (example: documents showing that IDF officers deliberately targeted civilians), only said that they couldn't prove the negative. The Gonzaga report doesn't do that either, but it's conclusions are based off of facts. For example it's stated there that when the IDF has indeed broken the law (in an example I brought a few times, the two officers who exceeded their authority regarding WP use) it is easy to find concrete evidence, documents that show what they did, however the HRW's report doesn't show such evidence, even though it tried to look for it too, they decided to release their report even though they knew they lacked some evidence, which is crucial for their case. "Until proven guilty, a man is free of all charges". This is also true for countries, organizations, and so on.[/quote] [editline]11:36AM[/editline] [quote=starpluck]the very first line[/quote] Actually it's also not a lie, even if you don't believe it. You see, it begins with "I think", which means that even if you don't believe what he thinks, it's still not a lie because he stated that those are his thoughts and not specifically facts (which you can believe or not). So, you still didn't give me one lie from the report.[/QUOTE]
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