Playstation 4 Neo confirmed, not going to be shown on E3 this year
59 replies, posted
[QUOTE=Novangel;50491344]Welp, at least my PS4 is collector's item :v:[/QUOTE]
Why because you have P.T?
[QUOTE=no1dead;50491593]Why because you have P.T?[/QUOTE]
[t]http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/original/123/1239113/2822960-ps43.jpg[/t]
You can proxy download P.T. anyway right?
[QUOTE=Novangel;50491603][t]http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/original/123/1239113/2822960-ps43.jpg[/t]
You can proxy download P.T. anyway right?[/QUOTE]
Oh shit dude that's fucking sick how much did you get that for? But yeah I believe you can proxy download it only if you have already previously done it before.
[QUOTE=no1dead;50491628]Oh shit dude that's fucking sick how much did you get that for? But yeah I believe you can proxy download it only if you have already previously done it before.[/QUOTE]
Normal price when it came out
[QUOTE=Novangel;50491636]Normal price when it came out[/QUOTE]
Yeah its most definitely a collectors item. I mean damn I want one now.
Let's see if this hits the base PS4 with the Osborne effect.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;50490402]The DS was supposed to "co-exist" with the Game Boy line until it made loads of money. Then Nintendo dropped the Game Boy like a stone to focus on DS.[/QUOTE]
Really?
Lol did anyone expect the gameboy to live side by side with the DS?
Woo lets divide this userbase up that'll end well
The ball is in Microsoft's court now
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50492464]Really?
Lol did anyone expect the gameboy to live side by side with the DS?[/QUOTE]
Wasn't the Game Boy people were worried about. It was 2004 and people weren't convinced that touchscreens or the "dual screen" idea would work for gaming, even despite the improved horsepower and buttonset the DS had over the GBA. Everyone knows by this point that the "DS" was originally a codename that stuck for the final product, but even after that was decided, the intention for a while was that it'd be the Game Boy DS. They realized that it could put the Game Boy line's reputation at risk if it flopped, though, so they distanced it as just the more generic Nintendo DS so they could pull a "Virtual Boy" if that happened and make it disappear without it bringing the whole Game Boy line down with it (such as how Wii U's troubled life nowadays ended up forcing Nintendo to retire the Wii branding in the jump to NX.)
It turned out to be a smash hit, though, so they decided it was safe to supplant the Game Boy line with this new DS line for their portable division. Come to think of it, if they decided not to take out that bit of insurance and instead kept things all in the same line, the naming probably would've gone from GBDS to GB3D instead of DS to 3DS.
[QUOTE=Wii60;50490250]The PS3 Slim doesnt cut off original PS3 owners from optional features and infact takes away features like SD card reader/ps1&2 compatibility[/QUOTE]
Uhhh...the readers and PS2 backwards compat were gone way before the PS3 Slim came out. Sony only ever implemented PS2 compat in a small number of PS3 Classics (the 20GB and 60GB models I think), the card reader was only on the 60GB if I recall. The 40GB classic model had neither of these and existed way, way before the slim came out.
All PS3s can play PS1 disks. The emulator is still pretty shit though, Spyro 3 will choke the bastard thing up at times I've found.
[editline]10th June 2016[/editline]
Besides, the later PS3 models solved some critical hardware failures due to the newer revisions of the Cell sucking much less. They were technically a fraction more powerful and ran much cooler.
Though it's still not comparable to the PS4/Neo, for a developer to release a Neo only game it will likely have to get the thumbs up from Sony and support Neo exclusive features properly. Everything else (99% of the market) will run on both fine so you're hardly being locked out of content that matters.
It's like complaining you can't use a Rift or Vive properly because you only bought a GTX 960 rather than splurging a few hundred more on a 980Ti.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50492899]Uhhh...the readers and PS2 backwards compat were gone way before the PS3 Slim came out. Sony only ever implemented PS2 compat in a small number of PS3 Classics (the 20GB and 60GB models I think), the card reader was only on the 60GB if I recall. The 40GB classic model had neither of these and existed way, way before the slim came out.
All PS3s can play PS1 disks. The emulator is still pretty shit though, Spyro 3 will choke the bastard thing up at times I've found.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, the 40/80 release tier and the 80/160(?) release tier didn't have any sort of backwards compatibility. Both before slims.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50492919]Pretty much, the 40/80 release tier and the 80/160(?) release tier didn't have any sort of backwards compatibility. Both before slims.[/QUOTE]
I remember it somewhat due to me popping over to a mates house shortly before I got my 40GB Classic and we played some TS: FP on his 60GB. It was janky as fuck though and I can see why Sony stopped it. Even with the hardware to lessen emulation, it just didn't work right a lot of the time.
if microsoft doesn't make an upgrade to the xbone they will have the least powerful console holy shit
[QUOTE=oskramorir;50493077]if microsoft doesn't make an upgrade to the xbone they will have the least powerful console holy shit[/QUOTE]
Xbox Scorpio rumors are way ahead of you. It is supposed to be more powerful than Neo and even have full Oculus Rift support. But it is not officially announced.
Interesting they mention they will keep putting out the OG PS4. After the digital foundry articles speculated it might be cheaper to make the new model as fab houses would be moving to 14nm with the release of AMD's Zen and Polaris.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;50492765]Wasn't the Game Boy people were worried about. It was 2004 and people weren't convinced that touchscreens or the "dual screen" idea would work for gaming, even despite the improved horsepower and buttonset the DS had over the GBA. Everyone knows by this point that the "DS" was originally a codename that stuck for the final product, but even after that was decided, the intention for a while was that it'd be the Game Boy DS. They realized that it could put the Game Boy line's reputation at risk if it flopped, though, so they distanced it as just the more generic Nintendo DS so they could pull a "Virtual Boy" if that happened and make it disappear without it bringing the whole Game Boy line down with it (such as how Wii U's troubled life nowadays ended up forcing Nintendo to retire the Wii branding in the jump to NX.)
It turned out to be a smash hit, though, so they decided it was safe to supplant the Game Boy line with this new DS line for their portable division. Come to think of it, if they decided not to take out that bit of insurance and instead kept things all in the same line, the naming probably would've gone from GBDS to GB3D instead of DS to 3DS.[/QUOTE]
Thats a bit of history right there.
I wonder what would a Game Boy look like if there wasn't any NDS though... But I never thought there was that much doubt about the DS's brand new idea. It had a shitload of success.
I may not like nintendo because it releases a fuckton of Mario games, but I do love their handhelds. They really nailed it with them, for some reason.
At the time when i first heard the rumor, I dismissed it as unlikely. However, more recently upon the release/announcement of the new GPU's and the progression of performance versus cost of manufacturing, I started to have my doubts.
[QUOTE=redBadger;50492559]The ball is in Microsoft's court now[/QUOTE]
They're still hitting it back and forth over the net. After all, Xbox One's got a limited suite of backwards compatibility via the way its downloads system works. The Playstation 4 could arguably do the same thing but Sony's not done anything about it since last year, so it's either not a priority or they're hoping no one cares enough to stop using Playstation Now and buying Classics instead.
"I play consoles over PCs because I don't want to be constantly upgrading my hardware"
[QUOTE=Trogdon;50492550]Woo lets divide this userbase up that'll end well[/QUOTE]
But that's obviously not the idea.
[editline]11th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tobin;50495397]"I play consoles over PCs because I don't want to be constantly upgrading my hardware"[/QUOTE]
And nothing has changed.
Well, this will make a lot of PS4 buyers unhappy. I understand that it basically is just a better PS4 for higher graphics and (better) PSVR support but still, I can't see a lot of console players just sitting on their "outdated" PS4 once the new one is out.
I don't like current gen consoles, so this amuses me a bit to be honest. Especially since it feels like a catch-up with PC standards when most console games can't even get solid 60FPS at 1080p.
[QUOTE]"The new console is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,”[/QUOTE]
How will that work when it is just a better version of the PS4? Especially when everything from the PS4 will run on it, even when those games don't add anything special for the Neo?
Maybe I'm missing something but it looks to me like the new PS4 will just replace the current one.
Edit: Oh I forgot one positive thing, better consoles are always better for PC anyways. Maybe it gets some lazy devs to make better ports because the thing they are porting can at least do 60fps.
This will probably be a New Nintendo 3DS situation. Technically more powerful hardware, but you have less market space if you were to create exclusives for it.
Unfortunately, patching older games for support with it would be weird, especially if a game's physics are tied to its framerate/performance (people shouldn't be doing that anymore but it's still common) and I can imagine crossplay issues; this means a PS4-N player playing, say, a patched Dark Souls III as an example for 60FPS would have inherently more reflex time and possibly game advantages against a PS4 player still at 30FPS.
Of course, they could just lock PS4-N players from playing with PS4 players but that'd make it even less marketable.
I'm glad my PS4 is now inferior and I'm going to have to spend money to upgrade my fucking console three years after its fucking release.
Fuck you, Sony.
[editline]a[/editline]
Like when I buy a fucking console I expect it to last me until either the next one or it dies from hardware failure.
I've had my ps4 for under two years and I find this to be a crock of shit.
You don't have to upgrade. I'm not planning to.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;50495550]This will probably be a New Nintendo 3DS situation. Technically more powerful hardware, but you have less market space if you were to create exclusives for it.
Unfortunately, patching older games for support with it would be weird, especially if a game's physics are tied to its framerate/performance (people shouldn't be doing that anymore but it's still common) and I can imagine crossplay issues; this means a PS4-N player playing, say, a patched Dark Souls III as an example for 60FPS would have inherently more reflex time and possibly game advantages against a PS4 player still at 30FPS.
Of course, they could just lock PS4-N players from playing with PS4 players but that'd make it even less marketable.[/QUOTE]
I guarantee they will take the N3DS approach. It will try to "simulate" the original hardware as close as possible to prevent compatibility issues. So no benefits to existing games unless they get patched to.
Unfortunately, that's going to make it a tough sell to existing PS4 owners, like it was with the 3DS.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50494335]Thats a bit of history right there.
I wonder what would a Game Boy look like if there wasn't any NDS though... But I never thought there was that much doubt about the DS's brand new idea. It had a shitload of success.
I may not like nintendo because it releases a fuckton of Mario games, but I do love their handhelds. They really nailed it with them, for some reason.[/QUOTE]
Oh, there was doubt alright. Maybe you weren't following it at the time, but I remember the derision over when the follow-up to the GBA was first shown.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/lVU72Gc.jpg[/img]
Of course, this "load of BS" ended up mopping the floor with Gen7 and tying the PS2 for most-sold system of all time, so joke's on them.
[QUOTE=paul simon;50496900]You don't have to upgrade. I'm not planning to.[/QUOTE]
Same.
Everyone who thinks that they need to upgrade their PS4 aren't even bothering to read the whole article to see what Sony is saying about how the PS4 and the Neo will coexist. It's literally the same idea behind the 3DS and New 3DS, except the Neo will have more support than the N3DS.
[QUOTE]All games will support the standard PS4 and we anticipate all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4[/QUOTE]
If you already own a PS4 there is almost no reason to upgrade, but if you don't have a PS4 you might as well get the Neo.
At the same time, I expect at least [i]some[/i] drop-off in PS4 sales. As I said before, it's the Osborne effect: once you announce your next product, people will start holding off buying on your current one. It doesn't even matter what we know about it or even when it's coming.
We saw this with NX: sure, the Wii U was never in a [i]great[/i] spot, but it was making a steady recovery starting with a stellar 2014, until the NX announcement killed that momentum stone-dead. Even though Nintendo outright said at the announcement that we wouldn't be hearing [i]anything[/i] about NX until E3 2016 at the earliest, a few people were [i]still[/i] cancelling Wii U purchases because they expected NX to drop as early as Summer 2015. Even now, I'm seeing people on a few sites going, "Well, I [i]was[/i] gonna get a PS4 soon, but I think I'll wait until NEO drops."
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.