• Obama Wants to Make Muslims Feel Good
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feels good allah
[QUOTE=starpluck;23177417]I wish you could says the same about Muslim extremists.[/QUOTE] There is a bit of difference between knowledge and actions. Engineering feats like Mosques can be attributed to Islam just as destructive acts done by people in the name of religion can also be attributed to Islam. Unless knowledge proves something related to Islam eg. philosophy then it is unrelated and not held by Islam just because they sponsored it (kind of like patenting the heliocentric model).
[QUOTE=Devodiere;23177951]There is a bit of difference between knowledge and actions. Engineering feats like Mosques can be attributed to Islam just as destructive acts done by people in the name of religion can also be attributed to Islam. Unless knowledge proves something related to Islam eg. philosophy then it is unrelated and not held by Islam just because they sponsored it (kind of like patenting the heliocentric model).[/QUOTE] Chechyna attacks, 9/11 etc. weren't done in the name of Islam.
Why did part of me suspect that Glaber made this thread?
[QUOTE=starpluck;23178080]Chechyna attacks, 9/11 etc. weren't done in the name of Islam.[/QUOTE] Never said Chechnya was related and while there were other motives behind 9/11, Islam was used as a method for recruiting and manipulating the bombers. Not exactly as bad as screaming Allahu Ackbar while doing it but due to the scale of 9/11, pretty much anyone involved caught shit. Iraq is fairly secular so it's just them and their regime that we are fighting but the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are still very religious so it can be a little hard to seperate the two.
No the terrorists just happened to be pissed off Muslims who got sand in their ass and got all pissy at america.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23178360]No the terrorists just happened to be pissed off Muslims who got sand in their ass and got all pissy at america.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure there were some other motives behind it. I'm sure it's quite a hazard to get sand in your ass in a desert region and America was hated by everyone worldwide at one point or another, didn't see the largest Terrorist attack ever happening on any of those occasions.
I was giving a simplified version of it, america done som retarded shit way back when in the area, and the most pissed off people there retaliated, if the middle east was predominantly christian instead of Muslim then the terrorists would just happen to be christian instead of muslim. That's the point I'm getting at, that's all.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23178492]I was giving a simplified version of it, america done som retarded shit way back when in the area, and the most pissed off people there retaliated, if the middle east was predominantly christian instead of Muslim then the terrorists would just happen to be christian instead of muslim. That's the point I'm getting at, that's all.[/QUOTE] Probably. The ethnic and religious differences might have made it easier to manipulate people but the IRA conflict proves it can still happen. Speaking of the IRA it's probably to the same degree to call them Catholic Terrorists, it doesn't stick on them as much as other things but I'm sure even the Pope is ashamed of Christianity being used to kill gays in African countries.
The IRA don't fight because they are catholic, again they just happen to be catholic, I'm sure for some of them that was a reason, but they fought for independence.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;23177144]Cool. This is a good idea.[/QUOTE] Hardly. I don't go walking around the streets going, "Yeah, some guy who shares the same religion as me invented the printing press 500 years ago. I'm pretty proud."
[QUOTE=bravehat;23178699]The IRA don't fight because they are catholic, again they just happen to be catholic, I'm sure for some of them that was a reason, but they fought for independence.[/QUOTE] Exactly, the overall reason for the conflict was only loosely related to religion but it was still used to manipulate some people. It isn't much of a connection but it would be more noticible if there were Catholic Priests actively giving aproval to the IRA bombings (doesn't have to be all of them, just enough to get on TV).
So sick of this reaching out bullshit towards Muslims, how about you start reaching out towards the people who voted for you and start doing your damn job.
[QUOTE=MR-X;23178969]So sick of this reaching out bullshit towards Muslims, how about you start reaching out towards the people who voted for you and start doing your damn job.[/QUOTE] Aren't you a Republican?
It's kind of too late to knock some sense into both parties these days. The teenage westerners these days think Islam is terrorist. The radical Muslims AKA religious fanatic think that their way is right and murdering innocence people is OK. Islam will forever be known as terrorist no thanks to fucking asshole works of al-qaeda and their fanatic wipes.
[QUOTE=MR-X;23178969]So sick of this reaching out bullshit towards Muslims, how about you start reaching out towards the people who voted for you and start doing your damn job.[/QUOTE] I kind of agree; while they should treat all groups equally and just do their job, Muslims are at a bit of a disadvantage and probably need a little help integrating. The problem being I do not find it helpful to nostalgically look at their ancestors achivements but instead work on desegregating them and helping them become normal instead of special. They will fully integrate if they are given enough time and are shown the rest of the comunity. Worked just fine for the greeks, italians, jews, asians, africans, eastern europeans and any other minority.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;23178739]Hardly. I don't go walking around the streets going, "Yeah, some guy who shares the same religion as me invented the printing press 500 years ago. I'm pretty proud."[/QUOTE] That's not what he's talking about you dummy. This is about not ignoring Muslim contributions to science in school curriculum and the like. Which is needed, because the contributions of the Muslim world are pretty much totally ignored in most American public schools. All it's calling for is more comprehensive and fair history education. I mean this is the most innocuous, harmless plan ever and you're still trying to find reasons to criticize it just because Obama's the person who made it.
I hate the muslim stereotype that's become of 9/11 and from all the wars America went into. The religion they follow is peaceful, as is the Quran. The suicide bombers and all those guys are extremists, basically the muslim westboro baptist church.
[QUOTE=starpluck;23178993]Aren't you a Republican?[/QUOTE] what does that have to do with anything
I wish Obama would make me feel good.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23176456]How is it muslim science? that's like calling all western science christian science.[/QUOTE] hey guys I will post in a thread relating to history without knowing anything -Lachz0r 2010
[QUOTE=MR-X;23178969]how about you start reaching out towards the people who voted for you and start doing your damn job.[/QUOTE] says the Republican
[QUOTE=massn7;23181197]what does that have to do with anything[/QUOTE] He said "People who voted for you"
[QUOTE=bravehat;23178360]No the terrorists just happened to be pissed off Muslims who got sand in their ass and got all pissy at america.[/QUOTE] They aren't 'pissed off'. They just hate democracy and other forms of states. They hate every 'Western' country. Their religion says, that Allah is the only one who can rule. Not the people, or a man... They hate everything that is not muslim. Like every other radical religious lunatics. I already think that religion is a very bad thing. So many crimes were done under the name of something that just don't exist, like 'god', 'allah' or anything else. It's just wrong. 21st century and still believing in gods is just not right.
[QUOTE=gudman;23182090]They aren't 'pissed off'. They just hate democracy and other forms of states. They hate every 'Western' country. Their religion says, that Allah is the only one who can rule. Not the people, or a man... They hate everything that is not muslim. Like every other radical religious lunatics. I already think that religion is a very bad thing. So many crimes were done under the name of something that just don't exist, like 'god', 'allah' or anything else. It's just wrong. 21st century and still believing in gods is just not right.[/QUOTE] Yes, every Muslim is exactly like that. :downs: Way to generalize.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;23182107]Yes, every Muslim is exactly like that. :downs: Way to generalize.[/QUOTE] He said about terrorists. I stated about terrorists. No generalizing. Honestly.
[QUOTE=gudman;23182142]He said about terrorists. I stated about terrorists. No generalizing. Honestly.[/QUOTE] Ah, give me books. However, you realize that Western colonialism in the Middle East stirred a load of resentment, right? It's not as if they just woke up hating the West.
[QUOTE=Croix;23176243]The title made me think something very, very different...[/QUOTE] Obama is taking on those responsibilities himself... [IMG]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r253/Torqued713/politics/1494lt2.gif[/IMG]
Call me an idiot, but I remember reading a post here saying that 9/11 was for political reasons
[QUOTE=elitehakor;23183151]Call me an idiot, but I remember reading a post here saying that 9/11 was for political reasons[/QUOTE] You're not and that was me :) [editline]10:27PM[/editline] [URL="http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/defense/941.pdf"]Defense Trial Exhibit 941[/URL] from the trial [URL="http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/"]United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui Criminal No. 01-455-A[/URL] states the following: [release]Sheikh Mohammed said that the purpose of the attack on the Twin Towers was to "wake the American people up." Sheikh Mohammed said that if the target would have been strictly military or government, the American people would not focus on the atrocities that America is committing by supporting Israel against the Palestinian people and America's self-serving foreign policy that corrupts Arab governments and leads to further exploitation of the Arab/Muslim peoples.[/release]
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