Trump issues pledge on medical records after Clinton diagnosis
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[QUOTE=Lolkork;51039220]wouldn't it be funny if both of them turned out to be terminally ill[/QUOTE]
Would it be Pence vs. Kaine, or would the runner-ups from the primaries become the nominees?
[QUOTE=MR-X;51039293]It's kinda funny that people called Sanders an old man and questioned if he had good enough health to make it through a presidency.
The man was a boss when it came to being out in the field and worked his ass off.[/QUOTE]
They did it with McCain as well, a lot of kids in school thought he would die in office.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51040711]Would it be Pence vs. Kaine, or would the runner-ups from the primaries become the nominees?[/QUOTE]
There would be another run of nominations, at least for the democrats. Kaine would still be VP if he didn't put himself forward for democrat nominee.
Hillary can use this to her advantage or she can let it ruin her. It demonstrates that she's not as transparent as she should be, whether or not you think health is a pertinent talking point in this election (which I think it is, now); she could very easily use it as opportunity to admit her flaws, to show that she does care about being open to the public, or she can cover it up and lose votes.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51039220]wouldn't it be funny if both of them turned out to be terminally ill[/QUOTE]
What the fuck is wrong with you?
[QUOTE=DeepInferno;51041746]What the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]
calm down lmao
[QUOTE=DeepInferno;51041746]What the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure he was just pointing out how ridiculous it would be if the two candidates were not only terrible people but also racing eachother to the grave, which, let's be honest, is not that unlikely considering their advanced ages and career choices.
Strap in lads
Pageking, fuck. I'm interested to see just how this plays out if our two lovely candidates end up being sick
trump's fine, he's just fat.
[QUOTE=2%;51039894][url]https://www.opendemocracy.net/joshua-jacobs/saudi-arabias-moribund-monarchy[/url]
funny that people were sitting around talking about the age of the saudi monarchy just a few years ago.
the age of trump after an 8 year presidency: 78 years old
the age of pence after an 8 year presidency: 65 years old
the age of clinton after an 8 year presidency: 77 years old (she turns 69 in a months time)
the age of kaine after an 8 year presidency: 66 years old
the age of sanders after an 8 year presidency: 83 years old
what a great stock of geriatric candidates to come out of 300 million people with. I really have to ask how there is a minimum age requirement of 35 for candidacy but no maximum age?[/QUOTE]
If you're legitimately healthy despite being old, why bar them from office? That makes no sense.
What happens if a candidate dies/becomes too ill during or just before the elections?
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51043232]What happens if a candidate dies/becomes too ill during or just before the elections?[/QUOTE]
There's no real precedent for this, but what could happen in theory is that they will select either the running mate of the retired or decedent candidate, or club together to pick another choice from among the party members. In the case of the Democrats, they would probably pick Clinton's running mate Tim Kaine, but that would inevitably result in a Democrat loss in the election if Trump maintains momentum from then onward.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51043251]There's no real precedent for this, but what could happen in theory is that they will select either the running mate of the retired or decedent candidate, or club together to pick another choice from among the party members. In the case of the Democrats, they would probably pick Clinton's running mate Tim Kaine, but that would inevitably result in a Democrat loss in the election if Trump maintains momentum from then onward.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't it make more sense to choose Bernie Sanders in the case of the Democrats? Kaine seems like an unknown figure and given Sanders' relative popularity he seems like the natural replacement for Clinton.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51043310]Wouldn't it make more sense to choose Bernie Sanders in the case of the Democrats? Kaine seems like an unknown figure and given Sanders' relative popularity he seems like the natural replacement for Clinton.[/QUOTE]
The reason why Bernie wasnt chosen as the candidate was that the democrat leadership mistrusted him because 'he didnt have any rapport with them and didnt attend any party meetings.' A more pertinent reason is that his ideals clashed with the party's line and were considered by the party leadership to be too idealistic. What he was able to do was to use his part in the campaign in an attempt to push the democratic party more towards his ideals rather than the current status quo, and to avoid utterly sinking the democratic campaign, he pledged his support to Clinton. Unfortunately, he even left the Democrats, and is now an independent, so that might make it even less likely that they would choose him. BUT, if the Dems are serious about winning the election in the event of Clinton bowing out or dying, they have no other choice but Bernie.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51043339]The reason why Bernie wasnt chosen as the candidate was that the democrat leadership mistrusted him because 'he didnt have any rapport with them and didnt attend any party meetings.' A more pertinent reason is that his ideals clashed with the party's line and were considered by the party leadership to be too idealistic. What he was able to do was to use his part in the campaign in an attempt to push the democratic party more towards his ideals rather than the current status quo, and to avoid utterly sinking the democratic campaign, he pledged his support to Clinton. Unfortunately, he even left the Democrats, and is now an independent, so that might make it even less likely that they would choose him. BUT, if the Dems are serious about winning the election in the event of Clinton bowing out or dying, they have no other choice but Bernie.[/QUOTE]
If clinton dies or has to drop out then the DNC's options are
A. field bernie
B. lose horribly
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51042585]If you're legitimately healthy despite being old, why bar them from office? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
Older people usually have both physical, mental and personal limitations.
And "legitimately healthy" is one thing--they could have a completely clear bill of health but because of their age are simply more likely to end up having cancer, breaking a hip, having a heart attack or some other unexpected health problem.
Besides the argument that "they don't even have to live with decisions they make because they'll probably die just a few years later" which kinda makes sense when they're this old.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51043310]Wouldn't it make more sense to choose Bernie Sanders in the case of the Democrats? Kaine seems like an unknown figure and given Sanders' relative popularity he seems like the natural replacement for Clinton.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather they choose Tulsi Gabbard. She campaigned for Bernie and is in favor of all or most of his policies, is a woman for the people that it's an issue to and young so age and illness won't be an issue for the skeptics. *She's also a veteran iirc.
If anyone complains then fuck them, not like their vote ever mattered to begin with.
[QUOTE=phygon;51043375]If clinton dies or has to drop out then the DNC's options are
A. field bernie
B. lose horribly[/QUOTE]
It's too late to field Bernie.
If she dies, then Kaine can only run as US president for Democrats.
Bernie could be named as Kaine's VP though.
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51044046][B]It's too late to field Bernie.[/B]
If she dies, then Kaine can only run as US president for Democrats.
Bernie could be named as Kaine's VP though.[/QUOTE]
why
Hes going on the Dr. Oz show to report his medical records, dr. oz is basically as big as a fraud as trump is in the medical world, his show and everything he says is a joke.
And if that wasn't enough Dr. Oz has agree to only ask questions that trump is allowing him to ask so basically nothing and once again no way to prove the legitimacy of what he does put out there.
[QUOTE=ZachPL;51044999]Hes going on the Dr. Oz show to report his medical records, dr. oz is basically as big as a fraud as trump is in the medical world, his show and everything he says is a joke.
And if that wasn't enough Dr. Oz has agree to only ask questions that trump is allowing him to ask so basically nothing and once again no way to prove the legitimacy of what he does put out there.[/QUOTE]
It's a smart move. Dr. Oz is well liked and viewed by many people. It will do more for him than simply releasing a doctor's report in his website. Oz is a definitely a terrible quack, but that's irrelevant to how Trump will be received.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51045091]It's a smart move. Dr. Oz is well liked and viewed by many people. It will do more for him than simply releasing a doctor's report in his website. Oz is a definitely a terrible quack, but that's irrelevant to how Trump will be received.[/QUOTE]
I mean it makes sense.
Frauds have to stick together
[QUOTE=phygon;51044966]why[/QUOTE]
Because presidential candidates registration is over.
No more people can be added on ballot list, unless elections get postponed.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51039486]So the economy can wreck itself as long as social progress is being made?[/QUOTE]
Why is there this myth that fiscally conservative governments are somehow good for the economy, especially when exactly the opposite has been the case every single time?
Actually, calling Republicans fiscally conservative is an oxymoron. They're all for total deregulation, trusting the market to take care of itself. Because financial institutions have proven themselves to be such brilliant decision makers. Idiots. Seems a thinly veiled excuse to me to allow them to exploit underpaid employees, cut said employees' wages further, and line their own pockets. Trickle down economics is total bull.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51045115]I mean it makes sense.
Frauds have to stick together[/QUOTE]
I think Dr. Oz is more of a sellout than a straightup quack. I think there was a video somewhere that said his show started out as an actual medical/health show but then big pharma caught wind of its popularity and turned him into a snake oil salesman.
Still its a smart move on Trump's part because that same trustworthiness that lets Dr. Oz sell placebos might sell Trump's health to the public. I wish the situation didn't have to be reduced to this though.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51046506]I think Dr. Oz is more of a sellout than a straightup quack. I think there was a video somewhere that said his show started out as an actual medical/health show [B]but then big pharma caught wind of its popularity and turned him into a snake oil salesman[/B]. [/QUOTE]
No.
He is just a salesman with no conscious of the lives he ruins and ends
[QUOTE=da space core;51046538]No.
He is just a salesman with no conscious of the lives he ruins ands ends[/QUOTE]
I thought he just sold junk?
Does he actually give terrible life advice or sell lethal products? I dont know a lot about him
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51046576]I thought he just sold junk?
Does he actually give terrible life advice or sell lethal products? I dont know a lot about him[/QUOTE]
Its not that he sells lethal products, its that people take his ludicrously priced "medicine" that does nothing and don't actually get real medical treatment for their problems, causing actual harm in the process.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51043251]There's no real precedent for this, but what could happen in theory is that they will select either the running mate of the retired or decedent candidate, or club together to pick another choice from among the party members.[/QUOTE]
We've had at least two instances, that I know of, where candidates have croaked before the election was over.
In 1872, Horrace Greeley ran against incumbent Ulysses S. Grant at a time when Grant's cabinet appointees were very unpopular because of the Credit Mobile scandal. Greeley's wife was sick and she died in October, and Greeley died in November before the Electoral College balloted. He lost in a landslide, and his electoral votes were divided up between his vice presidential nominee and another canidate in fourth place.
In 1899, William McKinley's Vice President, Garret Hobart, died of a heart condition a little less than a year before the election of 1900. He was replaced by Theodore Roosevelt, who was made Vice President because he was a war hero and the establishment Republicans wanted to keep him from interfering.
(The Vice President had been a mostly useless position until Hobart became McKinley's most trusted advisor, changing the role of the Vice President.)
Then McKinley was assassinated in 1901, making Roosevelt, the number one person the Republicans didn't want to see in the white house, the President.
Politics during the Gilded Age are a very useful comparison to modern US politics.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51045091]Oz is a definitely a terrible quack, but that's irrelevant to how Trump will be received.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/dr-oz-vows-press-trump-pointed-questions-health-article-1.2790375]"This is a doctor's office, the studio. So, I'm not going to ask him questions he doesn't want to have answered, and I also don't want to talk about anybody else," Oz said Tuesday morning on "Fox and Friends."[/url]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51046506]I think Dr. Oz is more of a sellout than a straightup quack.[/QUOTE]
Trump, Like Oz, have made a lot of decisions purely in their own financial interest, often disregarding what most would consider ethical, kind. Sometimes just flat out corrupt. C'est le capitalisme.
Also, Trump campaign is ALREADY backing off his position in the OP (classic). [url=https://newrepublic.com/minutes/136769/trump-campaign-doesnt-want-reveal-details-health-all]Kellyanne Conway was asked why her candidate only released a short doctor’s letter. Conway replied, “I don’t know why we need such extensive medical reporting when we all have a right to privacy.”[/url]
I'm disappointed. My bet is he realized he could get away with not releasing his tax returns now that Hillary has this glaring weak spot. I really wanted to see those taxes.
[QUOTE=ZachPL;51044999]Hes going on the Dr. Oz show to report his medical records, dr. oz is basically as big as a fraud as trump is in the medical world, his show and everything he says is a joke.
And if that wasn't enough Dr. Oz has agree to only ask questions that trump is allowing him to ask so basically nothing and once again no way to prove the legitimacy of what he does put out there.[/QUOTE]
So apparently, Trump won't be talking about his medical records on the Oz show taping today... (even though they already said they were going to)
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I wonder how bad his physical actually was, seems like he needs to hide something. Is ther anything else he can back out of? I'm hoping the election.
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