• Secessionist Group Files for 2018 California Independence Vote
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[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51418378]California is like 14% of our economy and is one of the few states that actually gives the federal government more than the federal government gives it, so the US deficit would grow. And also so many huge businesses and talent are based there lol. I thought you wanted the US to be strong or something with your support of Trump, when really it'd just lose us a large chunk of our economy and leave us in a further state of indebtedness than before.[/QUOTE] But California wouldn't be in the Union, so therefore its worth it.
[QUOTE=download;51418381]The 6 state thing is actually a good idea though.[/QUOTE] Only Texas can do it, and man that'd hopefully at least be the final push to fix the damn legislative system and electoral college. [QUOTE=Komodoh;51418385]But California wouldn't be in the Union, so therefore its worth it.[/QUOTE] We'd be measurably worse off but... okay? I guess some memeshit about the libs > the economy
California leaving simply will not happen. Even in the unlikely scenario this gets enough signatures to get on the ballot, it would no way be legal for us to leave. The fact that this idea is even being entertained is damagining to both our reputation as California and to the world at large. Yes we have legitimate concerns after the results of the election, but we excerside those concerns using the democratic process of getting elected officials to represent our issues in Washington. All this will do is get a signal boost from the media, shot down, and everyone on everyside hurt from it.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51418269]trumpets[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/xTlDrB4.jpg[/img] stop calling them that, it makes you look stupid.
The southwest will riiiiiiise agaaayn.
[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51418376][B]This a bad idea, if California leaves successfully[/B] which is unlikely but could happen it will fuck UP the union as many other states will want to follow. With the NDP in Alberta retards over here want to split up Canada so if Cali leaving goes through and our economy gets worse I could see a surge in "we're better apart" attitudes.[/QUOTE] California won't be able to leave, entertaining the thought may be fun, but it's a complete waste of time.
As stupid as this is, I'm going to have to really vote against it. Nobody though Brexit would happen, Trump would get elected president, or Young Justice and Twin Peaks would get a 3rd season but all that shit happened this year
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51418489]As stupid as this is, I'm going to have to really vote against it. Nobody though Brexit would happen, Trump would get elected president, or Young Justice and Twin Peaks would get a 3rd season but all that shit happened this year[/QUOTE] you forgot the cubs. also, someone correct me, but isn't california broke? they wouldn't even be able to afford to become independent.
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51418339]I know it won't happen, but i can dream of a California-less USA. :([/QUOTE] I dislike California as the mext guy, but it would be bad for us and even worse for them if they left.
This vote will matter as much as Brexit did.
how about not leaving and you know, helping so that in 4 years we can get someone that isn't idiot in? Leaving isn't going to solve issues, its only going to cause more
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51418489]As stupid as this is, I'm going to have to really vote against it. Nobody though Brexit would happen, Trump would get elected president, or Young Justice and Twin Peaks would get a 3rd season but all that shit happened this year[/QUOTE]The difference is that its not that California won't leave or shouldn't leave. Its that California CANNOT leave. The only way for a state to leave the union is by the approval of the other states. Basically you have to work the state admission process backwards. So unless a state gets the support of the majority of the other states in Congress for its succession, it cannot leave. Texas is also restricted in the exact same way. Even if they tried that whole "Split in to five different mini-states" thing, it'd not be allowed. Just because Texas says they can do it does not actually mean they can.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51418684]The difference is that its not that California won't leave or shouldn't leave. Its that California CANNOT leave. The only way for a state to leave the union is by the approval of the other states. Basically you have to work the state admission process backwards. So unless a state gets the support of the majority of the other states in Congress for its succession, it cannot leave. Texas is also restricted in the exact same way. Even if they tried that whole "Split in to five different mini-states" thing, it'd not be allowed. Just because Texas says they can do it does not actually mean they can.[/QUOTE] That's why their plan, as dumb as it is, is to get proof that the majority of their population wants to secede, declare independence illegally, and then seek legitimacy through the United Nations rather than work through the non-existent method of the US government's secession policy. And the UN will not support them, almost definitely.
Just to let you guys know it has a great chance at success, mostly considering 5/10 elderly people I know are for it, even more youth. And considering I used to work for 3-5 different old folks homes that's a sample size enough to make me think it's possible. The north afaik is even more for secession. [editline]24th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51418684]The difference is that its not that California won't leave or shouldn't leave. Its that California CANNOT leave. The only way for a state to leave the union is by the approval of the other states. Basically you have to work the state admission process backwards. So unless a state gets the support of the majority of the other states in Congress for its succession, it cannot leave. Texas is also restricted in the exact same way. Even if they tried that whole "Split in to five different mini-states" thing, it'd not be allowed. Just because Texas says they can do it does not actually mean they can.[/QUOTE] Actually afaik, there are several different possibilities of California leaving, mostly given autonomy and keeping the trade deals in place.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;51418755]Just to let you guys know it has a great chance at success, mostly considering 5/10 elderly people I know are for it, even more youth. And considering I used to work for 3-5 different old folks homes that's a sample size enough to make me think it's possible. The north afaik is even more for secession. [editline]24th November 2016[/editline] Actually afaik, there are several different possibilities of California leaving, mostly given autonomy and keeping the trade deals in place.[/QUOTE] The North voted Trump and parts of the South voted Trump in the election so I find that hard to believe. Let the blue counties secede and the red counties stay then.
As a California resident, i am going to vote yes. :downs: [editline]23rd November 2016[/editline] Provided this comes to a vote in 2018 of course.
Send in the troops and shoot all the separatists.
if i were the president of a newly established breakaway nation I'd probably spend time cozying up to China.
[QUOTE=Pops;51418502]you forgot the cubs. also, someone correct me, but isn't california broke? they wouldn't even be able to afford to become independent.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it's the complete opposite dude. California's filthy rich.
Can we get a California separatist thread in General Chat?
[QUOTE=Lord Fear;51418244]I thought it was legally impossible for states to leave the union. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE] Technically speaking, yes and no. A state may leave the union under a referendum, but only if every other state in the Union agrees to let it leave in an official vote.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51418269] Here we go again with this stupid shit...[/QUOTE] Is he wrong? Regardless of your opinion about the electoral college, using the current systems this country has, he won fairly. This is a reactionary response to that which would end up being horrific for them and accomplish absolutely nothing. Why secede when you could, like, y'know, try fixing the system instead.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51418967]What power does Cali have? Threaten the Democrats with going Republican? California has next to none power for its contributions on the federal level.[/QUOTE] Could trying getting a movement going or someshit, i dont know. Why is succession better?
republican controlled senate republican controlled house republican controlled presidency dismantling of climate change research cozying up with russia threat of loss of rights for minorities muslim registry threat of health system dismantling [editline]23rd November 2016[/editline] Secession is better because a good many of us believe that the country is undeniably and nigh irreversibly FUCKED in one way or another.
And if you secede you won't have federal funding. Oops.
[QUOTE=Solomon;51418974]republican controlled senate republican controlled house republican controlled presidency dismantling of climate change research cozying up with russia threat of loss of rights for minorities muslim registry threat of health system dismantling [editline]23rd November 2016[/editline] Secession is better because a good many of us believe that the country is undeniably and nigh irreversibly FUCKED in one way or another.[/QUOTE] So the response is to leave, meaning the party you'd be sided with that'd support and attempt to fix these issues would be weakened significantly, greatly increasing the chance that this will continue?
i guarentee you its going to continue whether our party is weakened further or not
Midterms are in 2 years, get people motivated to vote blue there, presidental in 4, get people motivated to vote blue there. Secession is just going to end up shittily.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51418994]A secession* means California's autonomy from a bright blood red Federal government that doesnt represent it. A secession with more or less free movement and single market to negate any possible effects would be better for both sides: Californians can live a healthier life, making social and political decisions for themselves, while US of A can fuck themselves up, drown Florida and electrocute gays Everybody is happy[/QUOTE] Isnt California almost entirely dependent on the surrounding states for even basic supplies like water and electricity?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51419001]Isnt California almost entirely dependent on the surrounding states for even basic supplies like water and electricity?[/QUOTE] no
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