• Secessionist Group Files for 2018 California Independence Vote
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[QUOTE=Solomon;51418921]Can we get a California separatist thread in General Chat?[/QUOTE] I discourage it. The thread would only be filled with criticisms.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51418994]that doesnt represent it.[/QUOTE] Welcome to Democracy, sometimes you're not represented.
[QUOTE=Solomon;51419010]no[/QUOTE] Could've sworn ive read that a pretty sizable chunk of its drinking water is imported from other states, and it recieves electricity from the Hoover Dam. I might be wrong but i think thats in Nevada. [editline]23rd November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;51419022]California never is which isnt healthy.[/QUOTE] Now im pretty sure thats just outright not true.
[QUOTE=Solomon;51418921]Can we get a California separatist thread in General Chat?[/QUOTE] I am torn by this idea. On one hand, it would be nothing more than a shitfest with nothing but intense, meaningless bickering. On the other hand, it's been awhile since we've had a good idiot cull.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51419001]Isnt California almost entirely dependent on the surrounding states for even basic supplies like water and electricity?[/QUOTE] That's not the point, the point is we have actual fascists in charge and they must leave because there's no fixing it now! [sp]i'm being sarcastic[/sp]
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51419022]California never is which isnt healthy.[/Quote] In what ways is California never represented?
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;51418755]Actually afaik, there are several different possibilities of California leaving, mostly given autonomy and keeping the trade deals in place.[/QUOTE]No, there is not. The only way for a state to leave the union is either through a revolution or through the approval of congress.
[QUOTE=Lyonidis;51419033]I am torn by this idea. On one hand, it would be nothing more than a shitfest with nothing but intense, meaningless bickering. On the other hand, it's been awhile since we've had a good idiot cull.[/QUOTE] someone wants thing! they must be an idiot!
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51418994]A secession* means California's autonomy from a bright blood red Federal government that doesnt represent it. A secession with more or less free movement and single market to negate any possible effects would be better for both sides: Californians can live a healthier life, lock gun owners for life and make GMO farming treason, while US of A can fuck themselves up, drown Florida and electrocute gays Everybody is happy[/QUOTE] Trebgarta welcome to the fold! Lets return the US to the states having the power originally envisioned and roll back the consolidation of power the Bush and Obama administrations consolidated into the executive branch! [video=youtube;pukKZIlTEDo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukKZIlTEDo[/video] [QUOTE=bdd458;51419037]In what ways is California never represented?[/QUOTE] No presidents came from California and they never have the biggest say in the election and they have none of them there guys in DC.... representatives I think they are called.
[QUOTE=Solomon;51419048]someone wants thing! they must be an idiot![/QUOTE] A couple users in the other thread pretty succinctly summarized why its a stupid idea, gimme a minute and i'll find em.
[QUOTE=Lord Fear;51418244]I thought it was legally impossible for states to leave the union. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE] It is illegal for a state to secede. If a state does secede despite this, the US immediately declares war. Like hell the US is ever going to let their highest GDP state leave lmao. I'm fairly certain California doesn't have the ability to fight against the entire US military.
[QUOTE=Solomon;51419048]someone wants thing! they must be an idiot![/QUOTE] If you are confident in starting a thread on California's separation then go ahead. You've been warned though. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51419040]No, there is not. The only way for a state to leave the union is either through a revolution or through the approval of congress.[/QUOTE] I seriously hope we never get to a revolution. The last thing I want in this country is another Civil War.
[QUOTE=Solomon;51419048]someone wants thing! they must be an idiot![/QUOTE] I don't understand why people want to meet a dumb democratic decision with another dumb democratic decision. I am sorry if that post was a bit dickish. I can quote my reasoning behind my opinion from the other thread, if you like.
Who doesn't love making stupid decision based on fear-mongering and "stats rites!" and "reprisintayshun!" Like Brexit, the wonderful endeavor that has been, what with tanking the British economy and turning it in to a laughing stock to the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51345585]I'm an LA native and you can fuck right off with that stupid bullshit California's biggest boon is it's ability to create food for the rest of the nation, and all of our industries (farming included!) pretty much rely on other states to exist. Our water comes from Nevada- without that, we will die. In what god damn fantasy land do you think California would be able to support itself? Who would run the government? Who would run the military? Who would PAY for the military? Who would buy our food? our exports? How would we get footing apolitically? How are we going to pay for public works projects? What will stop the USA from invading us? How will we grow crops? How will a constitution be decided? How will we pay back the USA for all infrastructure projects done in California? How will we deal with the huge amount of people that want to LEAVE a sovereign California? Where will our clothes be made?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lyonidis;51345605]Please explain to me how California will peacefully secede. Please elaborate how your alleged surplus of wealth will allow you to gain access to natural resources that are in shortage or are completely lacking. Please share how California will be able to preserve this income and function as an independent nation surrounded on land and sea by the influence of a now neutral or unfriendly nuclear superpower. Please justify how an exceptionally bad president (one of two horrible candidates, I might add) makes secession from the union and the very real possibility of another civil war (which will have tangible consequences for the next century and something we will likely never truly recover from) totally okay. And, please try and tell me that, if the situations were reversed with a Clinton victory and it was a southern state suggesting secession, you would still be trying to make this argument.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;51345646]California seceding would last a week at best. Cali would seceded, the bay area hipsters would cheer, then immediately the number of shit ton of military bases here would take control of the surrounding area through martial law. The High desert and a bunch of other rural areas would likely say fuck you to California. Then all the water and power being sent into the state would stop and the economy would effectively grind to a halt because LAX and every single source of shipping trucks, boats or other would immediately stop. A shit load of people and businesses would move out of cali and never return. Then likely all the dipshits who voted to seceded would riot and cause more damage to a state that is already crippled with problems and debts. California has no army to support its succession. California has no means to form a milita, most of the people who are voting for this are likely anti-gun as well. So they would just put themselves up a shit creek. No one on the west coast would go with them. Most people in California wouldn't go with it. Not to mention if California declared it wasn't apart of the USA anymore? China, Russia and other nations would likely try to stick their finger into the pie if it didn't last for more than a week. That and it wouldn't be recognized on any sort've of world wide level. However, it would likely bring some much needed change into this retarded state.[/QUOTE] Heres three that sum it up better than i probably could.
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51419067]I seriously hope we never get to a revolution. The last thing I want in this country is another Civil War.[/QUOTE]There would be no revolution, it'd be a curb-stomping. Cali would declare itself independent. The federal government would then declare "lolno" and stomp it back in line with ease. Basically for all of five minutes California would get to jerk itself off over being independent, then men in fatigues and carrying a few guns would show up and every thing would be back as it was five minutes before.
leaving the nation is a very permanent solution to a 4 year problem
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;51419066]It is illegal for a state to secede. If a state does secede despite this, the US immediately declares war. Like hell the US is ever going to let their highest GDP state leave lmao. I'm fairly certain California doesn't have the ability to fight against the entire US military.[/QUOTE] I seriously doubt the rest of the US would actually use military force. If a vote was so much in favour of independence then there's not much you could do except mass-slaughter and that's hardly going to change their minds. More likely an independence vote would never pass anyway. I don't see it being that popular unless shit really hits the fan, and then whether it's legal or not isn't going to hinder it in the slightest.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51419105]California isnt reliant on agriculture at all, everything can be negotiated about a civil exit, and the last post is pure scaremongering. California wont "secede" in revolutionary sense. A peaceful exit with good deals to ensure the prosperity of both countries can happen as long as USA agrees to it. USA is the biggest blocker of this, this is why 99% it wont happen. However, if a miracle happened and the Congress was willing to discuss a Calexit, simply none of the above posts would apply.[/QUOTE]Yes, discussing impossible things is great. And if magic was real we'd have wizards running the country and I'd ride a dragon to class every morning and get to fuck an elf.
A peaceful exit of California where California gets great deals would set a precedent for other large states with huge gdps to also want to leave, like Texas. California is not going to be able to leave peacefully.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51419105]California isnt reliant on agriculture at all, everything can be negotiated about a civil exit, and the last post is pure scaremongering. California wont "secede" in revolutionary sense. A peaceful exit with good deals to ensure the prosperity of both countries can happen as long as USA agrees to it. USA is the biggest blocker of this, this is why 99% it wont happen. However, if a miracle happened and the Congress was willing to discuss a Calexit, simply none of the above posts would apply.[/QUOTE] If the US was willing to play ball for some reason, then sure. Yay peaceful secession. But you need to understand that the likelihood of that happening for reasons exhaustively elaborated in both this thread and the last one is indistinguishable from zero.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;51419108]I seriously doubt the rest of the US would actually use military force. If a vote was so much in favour of independence then there's not much you could do except mass-slaughter and that's hardly going to change their minds.[/QUOTE]The U.S. absolutely would use military force if a state tried to secede. Especially one like California. They'd not have to slaughter everyone. Here in Alabama we were at the heart of the Confederacy. The people weren't just mass slaughtered here. Military and government leaders were killed and arrested, then the southern states were under federal control for a time until some guy said, "Yeah, looks good whatever." and ended reconstruction early.
[QUOTE=Solomon;51419010]no[/QUOTE] then what about that drought you got going on
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51418953]I heard Cali pays exorbitant amount into the rest of the Union [editline]24th November 2016[/editline] 300 billion in federal taxes, nr #1[/QUOTE] lol a majority of states pay more then they get back. NJ gets back like .63 cents for every dollar we put in. Delaware, Connecticut, NJ, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, Nevada, as well as Cali pay more into then they get back. hell, the cesspit that is NJ and the east coast hipster haven Connecticut are less reliant on the feds than California and yet our economies are no where near as strong as theirs.
[QUOTE=Solomon;51418921]Can we get a California separatist thread in General Chat?[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/xzywK5w.png[/img] I think that there is no reason not to have a vote, isn't democracy a cornerstone of America, then why don't you allow these people to democratically chose and vote for what they want, let the chips fall where they may. :EDIT: I don't know much about california.
[QUOTE=Redcoat893;51419341]I think that there is no reason not to have a vote, isn't democracy a cornerstone of America, then why don't you allow these people to democratically chose and vote for what they want, let the chips fall where they may. :EDIT: I don't know much about california.[/QUOTE]They can be allowed to vote all they want. The rest of the country isn't going to allow secession though.
So this is the first step of making america great again/s [IMG]https://www.raremaps.com/maps/medium/17263.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51418994]A secession* means California's autonomy from a bright blood red Federal government that doesnt represent it. A secession with more or less free movement and single market to negate any possible effects would be better for both sides: Californians can live a healthier life, lock gun owners for life and make GMO farming treason, while US of A can fuck themselves up, drown Florida and electrocute gays Everybody is happy[/QUOTE] GMOs are treason. Lol, wtf dude. [editline]24th November 2016[/editline] You're a lunatic.
let's not go throwing shit around like that download thats not nice, what he said was dumb but that doesnt require calling him names
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51418170]Cowards, the US will become even worse if you leave.[/QUOTE] People giving up fighting Trump are cowards. We can still win this and yet everyone is just lying down and taking it.
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