• EU accused of crippling future graphics cards
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[QUOTE=SEKCobra;38009559]Uhm you realize that we'd actually have to pay the same penalties on import? [editline]12th October 2012[/editline] Unless you know 20 € graphics cards?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=itisjuly;38009574]The fucking prices. Shipping to EU, especially soviet bloc costs a fortune. And you get essentially no warranty unless you want to send your gpu back to US which costs a fuckton too.[/QUOTE] I wasn't implying it would be cheap, I'm just saying that the people who want them would still get them regardless if they are not allowed to be sold in the EU, thus why I said it was stupid.
They're not being stopped from being sold Eddy, they're going to be more expensive.
[QUOTE=The fox;38009617]In which case they should not interfere anywhere. In general, nothing that comes out of the EU is good in any way. Just take the regulation of how much curved bananas are allowed to be. Or the fact that they destroy perfectly fine food just to keep prices up on the markets; Or the fact that they impose DDR tactics of surveillance upon all members; And so much more.[/QUOTE] USA! USA! FREEDOM FOR ALL! POWER TO THE BANKS!
My feeling is they'll just cut down on their lineup in the EU. AMD/Nvidia know that people will be able to get them no matter what
[QUOTE=eddy-tt-;38009642]I wasn't implying it would be cheap, I'm just saying that the people who want them would still get them regardless if they are not allowed to be sold in the EU, thus why I said it was stupid.[/QUOTE] No they wouldn't because it's not fucking worth the effort except for some extreme enthusiasts. Since they can't be traded commercially, even professionals wouldn't have access.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;38009652]USA! USA! FREEDOM FOR ALL! POWER TO THE BANKS![/QUOTE] At least the US is by far more free when it comes to individual freedoms, freedom of expression, the possibility to protest decisions done by those in power etc, than the EU is, as all power is centralized in Brussel, not in every individual country. And, as far as I am aware, the US congress has not submitted nearly enough stupid shit as the EU has.
[QUOTE=The fox;38009667]At least the US is by far more free when it comes to individual freedoms, freedom of expression, the possibility to protesting decisions done by those in power etc, than the EU is, as all power is centralized in Brussel, not in every individual country.[/QUOTE] You have some funny freedom glasses there buddy, the EU doesn't even have influence on censoring or silencing opposition...
[QUOTE=Swilly;38009500]Using larger graphics cards that aren't even being used to their fullest capacity is totally needed :words:[/QUOTE] actually due to shitty console ports and being stuck on DX9 (inefficient with modern hardware due to its age) powerful graphics cards are needed for so many games, it's pathetic
[QUOTE=barttool;38009575]By using that logic, car makers could say: "If I want to keep on building gas inefficient polluting cars because I don't want to invest in R&D I should have the right to do so!"[/QUOTE] Yeah, because forcing car makers to introduce an efficient car into their lineup through legislation worked so well. [img]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01544/aston-martin-cygne_1544666c.jpg[/img] Not to mention there's not really much comparison to make between 300W enthusiast graphics cards and 20mpg cars.
[quote=The fox] At least the US is by far more free when it comes to individual freedoms, freedom of expression, the possibility to protesting decisions done by those in power etc, than the EU is, as all power is centralized in Brussel, not in every individual country.[/quote] Dude, dude. You need to do some reading.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;38009693]You have some funny freedom glasses there buddy, the EU doesn't even have influence on censoring or silencing opposition...[/QUOTE] As far as I know, the US is a democratic country; Thusly, they do not do anything of the like of what you describe. The fact that all power in the US is in the country in which the power is imposed on through legaslative measures, means that the people can protest the decisions. This is not the case with the EU, who will steamroll anyone who opposes them, e.g. Ireland during the vote on the new constitution of the EU. But hey, the EU can never be evil, right, FP? It's all good and dandy; even when they hinder technological progress..
They do it through money. The EU stops it from every happening.
But shit like toasters use stupid amounts of power, heat bread with your ass cheeks.
[QUOTE=TestECull;38009430]Really? Fuck off EU. If people want to use inefficient computer parts they should bloody well be able to. Also, forcing computers to sleep after a set time? Sorry but no. There's no reason to [i]force[/i] that on anyone. If a user wants to leave their machine running 24/7 they should be able to. It's their money in the end. Makes me glad I don't live there.[/QUOTE] Ehh, I don't think they're talking about putting the whole computer to sleep, but rather something like AMD's long-idle mode. Anyway, this is bullshit, but I don't think it'll pass.
The interesting thing about computer electrical inefficiencies is that it isn't so much due to the hardware being initially inefficient. Rather that over a function of time the hardware becomes worn out, wires slowly burn out, capacitors die, and so on. Putting a 'Green Tax' on this doesn't solve the problem entirely, just one factor. Effectively screwing over Nvidia and AMD while solving very little.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38009478]The entire point of doing this is for efficiency, because you know, global climate change? If we don't do something now, that rationing will become MUCH MUCH worse if we wait too long.[/QUOTE] Fuck the polar bears. If we want high-end GPUs that need an entire substation dedicated to each one then goddammit we should be able to have them. 'sides my power is hydroelectric, so the whole "Boo hooo think of the polar bears" argument regarding electricity use has no effect on me. [QUOTE=barttool;38009575]By using that logic, car makers could say: "If I want to keep on building gas inefficient polluting cars because I don't want to invest in R&D I should have the right to do so!"[/QUOTE] They should. If people want to buy something with a big block under the hood they should be able to. Having efficient cars is great and all but not everyone wants to drive a Fiat Panda, and not everyone can get their job done with one. It's a free market and if people want throaty 400+ cubic inch V8s they should be allowed to buy V8s. So what if they're inefficient? ...not only that but the air coming out the back of a brand new Chevy Silverado is cleaner than the air going into the engine if you're driving it in a city like Los Angeles. Funny how that works, big-ass throaty thirsty V8 that burns so clean it's actually cleaning the air that goes into it while it runs. :v: Besides we could have clean ICE power inside of five years, but nobody wants to roll out hydrogen fuel systems for gasoline engines. The engines will run happily on the stuff with next to no modification required(Just the fuel system parts, everything else stays the same), we can have the cars on showroom floors inside of six months, the prices won't go up more than a couple grand so you can start rolling them out en-masse in the volumes and at the price points necessary to actually make a difference, the infrastructure can in place inside of five years, and there's no hazard of a fuel explosion. Everyone's little pipedream, hydrogen fuel cell cars, have the same exact 'flaw'(Storing pressurized H2), and nobody ever complains about their safety.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38009651]They're not being stopped from being sold Eddy, they're going to be more expensive.[/QUOTE] Great, so basically shaft the fuck out of anyone that isn't stuck to the ballsack of a cabinet minister or owner of a Fortune 500 company. [editline]tits[/editline] Abloo-bloo-bloo, We keep churning out tanks, but god forbid they make affordable yet power-inefficient graphics cards! bloo-bloo-bloo.
Makes me glad that my country will not enter the EU in the next 5 years.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;38009699]Yeah, because forcing car makers to introduce an efficient car into their lineup through legislation worked so well. [img]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01544/aston-martin-cygne_1544666c.jpg[/img] Not to mention there's not really much comparison to make between 300W enthusiast graphics cards and 20mpg cars.[/QUOTE] I have nothing against the cygnet. I mean how many people owning a luxury car is actually putting that bigass engine to good use? Most of the time they're better off with a Fiat 500 with all kinds of luxury accessory, or if they need comfy rear seats, then a Toyota Camry. But it's all about showing you're making bank and flashing your credit card at gas stations. Also LMAO at The Fox :v:
[QUOTE=Worstcase;38009984]The interesting thing about computer electrical inefficiencies is that it isn't so much due to the hardware being initially inefficient. Rather that over a function of time the hardware becomes worn out, wires slowly burn out, capacitors die, and so on.[/QUOTE] uh, this is completely wrong.. your computer will use the same amount of power when it's 10 years old as it did when it was brand new, hardware doesn't "degrade" (unless it was a flawed design from the start like [url=http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/23179.aspx]nvidia 8-series mobile chips[/url])
[QUOTE=Egonny;38009467]Also, doesn't the EU have better things to do than this?[/QUOTE] Better things than trying to lower our impact in the environment? This might not be the best way but at least they're trying unlike certain other countries.
[QUOTE=mblunk;38010361]uh, this is completely wrong.. your computer will use the same amount of power when it's 10 years old as it did when it was brand new, hardware doesn't "degrade" (unless it was a flawed design from the start like [url=http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/23179.aspx]nvidia 8-series mobile chips[/url])[/QUOTE] Actually especially PSUs degrade
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;38010383]Actually especially PSUs degrade[/QUOTE] Show me some data and I'll listen
[QUOTE=mblunk;38010392]Show me some data and I'll listen[/QUOTE] capacitor aging? basic electrics?
All EU laws on energy are absolute bullshit and sometimes hilarious theres one of these lamp switch things on the power cable for my router for it to comply with the shitty EU requirements for standby mode (which a router doesnt have)
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;38009693]You have some funny freedom glasses there buddy, the EU doesn't even have influence on censoring or silencing opposition...[/QUOTE] Why are you turning this into a dick-waving freedom contest? It seems like this is not the first time you've done this, either. Either debate the topic at hand or don't waste your time posting; I really wish some of the Mass Debate rules were set in place here in SH, even if only to curb the amount of feeding non-relative topics that are brought up. EDIT: The fox or whatever his username is, is at just as much fault as you, I shouldn't make it seem like you're the only one wrong here.
[QUOTE=The fox;38009712]As far as I know, the US is a democratic country; Thusly, they do not do anything of the like of what you describe. The fact that all power in the US is in the country in which the power is imposed on through legaslative measures, means that the people can protest the decisions. This is not the case with the EU, who will steamroll anyone who opposes them, e.g. Ireland during the vote on the new constitution of the EU. But hey, the EU can never be evil, right, FP? It's all good and dandy; even when they hinder technological progress..[/QUOTE] The EU can make mistakes but your view of it is stupid and one sided anyways.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;38010401]capacitor aging? basic electrics?[/QUOTE] Capacitors do age but this has little do do with the subject at hand. Electrolytics drifting out of spec in the PSU will only initially result in the ripple on the voltage rails increasing, possibly to outside of ATX specifications followed eventually by complete failure. Capacitor aging has nothing to do with power consumption or energy efficiency.
if we don't use the power, then nobody will, but it still still be produced...
[QUOTE=Psygo;38010700]if we don't use the power, then nobody will, but it still still be produced...[/QUOTE] No, if demand goes down, so does production. I imagine this just the EU issuing guidelines about electronics energy efficiency (and everyone then complaining that the EU is "invading their lives")
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