Yet Another Green on Blue Attack in Western Afghanistan - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37296310]when you say stuff like this i kinda assume it is in regards to you serving but if you literally mean a duty to deploy then that's meaningless and really not worth mentioning because while you have a duty to deploy you don't have a duty to [B]enlist[/B] which is what i had assumed you were talking about in the first place. i guess this is all meaningless to talk about though now because you apparently for whatever incomprehensible reason support the war in Afghanistan but my point throughout this entire discussion was that joining the military without any regard for the impact your enlistment has (your rank is meaningless, by way of joining and operating within the military you are supporting the war and everything that results from it) isn't excusable just by saying "i felt the call of duty..", and imo its even worse when you say you're just going for college or to be a pilot because you're putting self interest over the impact of a massive military conflict that causes so much damage and destruction in a foreign nation yeah you need to pass training but that doesn't invalidate the fact that the military recruiting process purposefully preys on those who are in difficult situations or who have no route other than the military. they exploit feelings of invulnerability, overconfidence and adventure, and offer people that are struggling in life a way out if they sign a paper to act as a human shield for whatever ridiculous politically-motivated operations they concoct. also @ bold, could you explain these issues instead of doing this annoying "you civilians would never understand.." thing[/QUOTE] I will try to explain everything as well as I can here. The absolute base reason for me joining was so I could participate in the Army's flight program. However, along with that came a sense of purpose and duty that I can hardly describe, as everyone feels something different. I also never said that I wanted to join to pay for college, I just have met some (National Guard mostly) Soldiers that joined for that reason. They are usually intel or supply, or HR. As for the bolded statement, I will try to explain what I mean as best I can. The Army does a lot of things in funny ways. There are a lot of inefficiencies and methodologies and rules that baffle me and others. Why do we wear reflective belts on the FOB? Why does the Army do packing lists this way? Why in the blue blazes does the manual have me do this when it is better to do x, y, and z? I could never explain to you all of the thousands of little problems that the Army has with it. Most are small like the ones above, but then you get into such issues as UCMJ, promotion points, connections, and rules. You literally have to be a part of the Army to even know about, or care about them. I know it is annoying and a bit condescending with the whole "civilians would never understand" but it is the complete truth. I can never explain fully why I love the military, why I would willingly volunteer for an organization that goes to places where we are put in harms way, or how I think about everything.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37296415]I actually know a lot of people that joined the Army in their 40's, I do not believe the army was exploiting their sense of invulnerability. Job security and financial stability is actually a pretty fair reason for joining.[/QUOTE] No it's not. Not in the slightest.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37296402]You do realize in the U.S. the cost of getting a higher education is so high that many people have no choice [i]but[/i] joining the military if they want to have a shot at getting a job that's not some shitty job like plumbing or flipping burgers? Believe it or not a large part of the military thinks we shouldn't be in Afghanistan and should have never there in the first place, but the way the system is set up in the U.S. joining the military is often the only way of getting anywhere in life.[/QUOTE] yeah i don't think personal interest is an excuse for participating in a morally reprehensible war

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37296437] Most are small like the ones above, but then you get into such issues as UCMJ, promotion points, connections, and rules.[/quote] I like how you say this, and not, say, covering up massacres. [quote]I know it is annoying and a bit condescending with the whole "civilians would never understand" but it is the complete truth.[/quote] Yeah you're right, it is annoying and condescending. [quote] I can never explain fully why I love the military, why I would willingly volunteer for an organization that goes to places where we are put in harms way, or how I think about everything.[/QUOTE] Maybe you hate having an individual personality, who knows.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37296411]This has nothing to do with what I said. And for the record, the screening process is really shoddy, considering what I've seen from the military. Civilians are forced to unload immense amount of money into your awful orginisation - So don't tell me civilians can't talk about them. And can't understand them? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you saying that every issue the US military has civilians are LITERALLY incapable of understanding them. What is with you military types and your mental treatment of the military like it's some sort of group that forgoes any meer understanding of humankind. And only those who transcend the bounds of normal humans can truly understand. Yeah, fuck no, I can understand the issues the military has more than most soldiers do by picking up a book and researching for 10 minutes. Your exclusiveness and arrogance about being in the military does not make you an expert on military affairs. Neither does me not being in the military make me unequivocally ignorant to it. This is like saying no civilian can comment on the economy because they're not economists. Way your government is going, I won't be surprised if it did.[/QUOTE] Let me put it to you this way. Why did a Lt. Colonel get off scott free for polygamy, misuse of government funds, and dishonesty when an enlisted person would have gotten lit up? Stuff like that, the "old boys club" and whatnot are the main problems with the military now. Believe it or not, we do read the news, and not all of us agree with literally everything the Army does. I find it confusing why this certain task has us disassemble this one bell crank assembly and disconnect it from the transverse walking beam, especially because there is a cotter pin in there that is a bitch to do and a nut that is very difficult to get torque on. That is an example of a teeny tiny problem that civilians don't know about nor care about. The Army is chock full of little problems and inefficiencies such as those. As to your comment about the direction we are going, we are actually in the process of pulling out from Afghanistan as we speak. I am part of the tour that will bring everyone home. Explain to me how pulling out of the longest war in United States history is leaning towards a draft? Especially since it was the longest one and we never instituted a draft for it in the first place, when WWII, Korea, and Vietnam all lasted for shorter times than the current conflict?

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37296537]Let me put it to you this way. Why did a Lt. Colonel get off scott free for polygamy, misuse of government funds, and dishonesty when an enlisted person would have gotten lit up? Stuff like that, the "old boys club" and whatnot are the main problems with the military now. Believe it or not, we do read the news, and not all of us agree with literally everything the Army does. I find it confusing why this certain task has us disassemble this one bell crank assembly and disconnect it from the transverse walking beam, especially because there is a cotter pin in there that is a bitch to do and a nut that is very difficult to get torque on. That is an example of a teeny tiny problem that civilians don't know about nor care about. The Army is chock full of little problems and inefficiencies such as those. As to your comment about the direction we are going, we are actually in the process of pulling out from Afghanistan as we speak. I am part of the tour that will bring everyone home. Explain to me how pulling out of the longest war in United States history is leaning towards a draft? Especially since it was the longest one and we never instituted a draft for it in the first place, when WWII, Korea, and Vietnam all lasted for shorter times than the current conflict?[/QUOTE] i know you're eager to shove as much aircraft-repair lingo into a post as you can but nobody cares or is referencing the "little problems" like why you disassemble something a certain way.. we're referring to operations that kill innocent people and cause widespread destruction to a country

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37296469]I like how you say this, and not, say, covering up massacres. Yeah you're right, it is annoying and condescending. Maybe you hate having an individual personality, who knows.[/QUOTE] We don't massacre people wantonly, there is an ROE and people who violate it get lit the fuck up like nobody's business. There was recently an E-7 that came under investigation for shooting a person that drove a car towards them while they were actively engaged in a firefight. If anything, ROE stays the trigger finger more than it should. As for your last statement, I have a very individual personality, thank you. Everyone in the military does. It is how we all interact that is the beauty of the military in my opinion. Everyone from different walks of life join the military, and we are all mashed together. Normally this would cause a huge conflict of interest, but we all have a common goal that binds us, and that is to accomplish the mission at hand. I have a Jamaican platoon sergeant, a Puerto Rican supply specialist, and a German squadmate. We all think about things in very different fashions, but since we have a mission to accomplish, we get the mission done working with each other, enjoying the subtle differences between each other.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37296537]Let me put it to you this way. Why did a Lt. Colonel get off scott free for polygamy, misuse of government funds, and dishonesty when an enlisted person would have gotten lit up? Stuff like that, the "old boys club" and whatnot are the main problems with the military now. Believe it or not, we do read the news, and not all of us agree with literally everything the Army does. I find it confusing why this certain task has us disassemble this one bell crank assembly and disconnect it from the transverse walking beam, especially because there is a cotter pin in there that is a bitch to do and a nut that is very difficult to get torque on. That is an example of a teeny tiny problem that civilians don't know about nor care about. The Army is chock full of little problems and inefficiencies such as those. As to your comment about the direction we are going, we are actually in the process of pulling out from Afghanistan as we speak. I am part of the tour that will bring everyone home. Explain to me how pulling out of the longest war in United States history is leaning towards a draft? Especially since it was the longest one and we never instituted a draft for it in the first place, when WWII, Korea, and Vietnam all lasted for shorter times than the current conflict?[/QUOTE] I'm really confused about what you're even talking about. You're saying soldiers don't like what everything the military does, okay fine. But your examples is protocols for labour that don't make sense? Everybody gets that. I have issues with protocols and orders the hospital gives me that you wouldn't understand. Same that you have little problems I wouldn't really know about. But to say that A: is something exclusive to the military and B: somehow means there's dissonance in the military, but only at a small scale while you ignore the large scale stuff, which begs the question as to why would you be in it if you have problems that are larger than that. Your point means absolutely nothing to what anyone has been saying. [editline]18th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SKEEA;37296587]We don't massacre people wantonly, there is an ROE and people who violate it get lit the fuck up like nobody's business.[/quote] lmao, keep telling yourself that [IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02119/Wuterich_2119034b.jpg[/IMG] [quote]There was recently an E-7 that came under investigation for shooting a person that drove a car towards them while they were actively engaged in a firefight. If anything, ROE stays the trigger finger more than it should. As for your last statement, I have a very individual personality, thank you. Everyone in the military does. It is how we all interact that is the beauty of the military in my opinion. Everyone from different walks of life join the military, and we are all mashed together. Normally this would cause a huge conflict of interest, but we all have a common goal that binds us, and that is to accomplish the mission at hand. I have a Jamaican platoon sergeant, a Puerto Rican supply specialist, and a German squadmate. We all think about things in very different fashions, but since we have a mission to accomplish, we get the mission done working with each other, enjoying the subtle differences between each other.[/QUOTE] It's good because it has diversity? Are you mad? I don't give a shit if it has diversity, that doesn't absolve it of its problems. And for the record, rampant racism and homophobia does exist in the military. So sod your perfect diversified image. You have an almost impeccably naive view of the military.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37296567]i know you're eager to shove as much aircraft-repair lingo into a post as you can but nobody cares or is referencing the "little problems" like why you disassemble something a certain way.. we're referring to operations that kill innocent people and cause widespread destruction to a country[/QUOTE] And you know what? I really can't answer those questions. I can't provide any justification for anything, as what constitutes that is all based on personal opinion. I will never be able to answer in any way that is satisfactory with you all because we all think about everything differently, and have different opinions on the subject of what might be a justification for something. That is why we still have debates about Hiroshima, for example. I can only provide my [U]own[/U] opinion on things. Whatever you think about it is your peragative. All we can do here is to have a fundamental agreement to disagree.

sorry SKEEA but your "civvies dont know dis......." statement constitutes a feeling of false superiority and overly trivial pride infact what the fuck does that even mean

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37296642]And you know what? I really can't answer those questions. I can't provide any justification for anything, as what constitutes that is all based on personal opinion. I will never be able to answer in any way that is satisfactory with you all because we all think about everything differently, and have different opinions on the subject of what might be a justification for something. That is why we still have debates about Hiroshima, for example. I can only provide my [U]own[/U] opinion on things. Whatever you think about it is your peragative. All we can do here is to have a fundamental agreement to disagree.[/QUOTE] that was a really long way of saying you can't justify your service

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37296605]I'm really confused about what you're even talking about. You're saying soldiers don't like what everything the military does, okay fine. But your examples is protocols for labour that don't make sense? Everybody gets that. I have issues with protocols and orders the hospital gives me that you wouldn't understand. Same that you have little problems I wouldn't really know about. But to say that A: is something exclusive to the military and B: somehow means there's dissonance in the military, but only at a small scale while you ignore the large scale stuff, which begs the question as to why would you be in it if you have problems that are larger than that. Your point means absolutely nothing to what anyone has been saying. [editline]18th August 2012[/editline] lmao, keep telling yourself that [IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02119/Wuterich_2119034b.jpg[/IMG] It's good because it has diversity? Are you mad? I don't give a shit if it has diversity, that doesn't absolve it of its problems. And for the record, rampant racism and homophobia does exist in the military. So sod your perfect diversified image. You have an almost impeccably naive view of the military.[/QUOTE] My example was the one about the "old boys club" mentality in the higher ranks that plagues us. I don't like it at all. I don't ignore the large scale stuff, I am literally and utterly powerless to do anything about it, so I don't go around all disgruntled all the time bringing it up to everyone I see. Also, for the record, I personally have never seen this "rampant racism and homophobia" that you speak of. Some of the Soldiers in my Squadron are gay, and no one cares. I have also never seen anyone discriminated based upon race either. We all share a common brotherhood, we couldn't care less what race people are. My Command Sergeant Major is black. My squad leader is black. My good buddy is mexican. My platoon sergeant didn't even come from the United States. There are a fair amount of female battalion commanders. The best pilot in my troop is a woman. We don't see each other as different races, we see each other as Soldiers.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37296738]My example was the one about the "old boys club" mentality in the higher ranks that plagues us. I don't like it at all. I don't ignore the large scale stuff, [B]I am literally and utterly powerless to do anything about it, so I don't go around all disgruntled all the time bringing it up to everyone I see[/B]. Also, for the record, I personally have never seen this "rampant racism and homophobia" that you speak of. Some of the Soldiers in my Squadron are gay, and no one cares. I have also never seen anyone discriminated based upon race either. We all share a common brotherhood, we couldn't care less what race people are. My Command Sergeant Major is black. My squad leader is black. My good buddy is mexican. My platoon sergeant didn't even come from the United States. There are a fair amount of female battalion commanders. The best pilot in my troop is a woman. We don't see each other as different races, we see each other as Soldiers.[/QUOTE] except you had that power when you were deciding whether to enlist or not, so "i don't have a choice" is no longer an excuse

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37296717]that was a really long way of saying you can't justify your service[/QUOTE] It is a long way of saying that I can't justify my service to [U]you[/U] because we believe wildly different things on what constitutes justification for me joining the Army. [editline]18th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;37296745]except you had that power when you were deciding whether to enlist or not, so "i don't have a choice" is no longer an excuse[/QUOTE] I never said I didn't have a choice. I am literally powerless to do anything to generals and directors at the pentagon because I am a goddamn private.

Stop taking your emotions out on SKEEA, he isn't going to give you the answers you so want to pry from some person's brain. Just because you disagree with his choices in life doesn't mean anything as he is just as entitled to do whatever he wants as you are. You are basically using him as a scapegoat to express your feelings on the Afghanistan conflict and the military in general, even when you know you are on total different planes of mentalities. Your idea of the military and the mission in Afghanistan is not 'right' by any means, neither is SKEEA's necessarily. Stop acting like you are high and mighty because you are conscientious objector and see through the military and government's tricks to enlist. tl;dr you are heckling someone over nothing, and you will not change anything.

[QUOTE=G3rman;37296765][B]Stop taking your emotions[/B] out on SKEEA, he isn't going to give you the answers you so want to pry from some person's brain. Just because you disagree with his choices in life doesn't mean anything as he is just as entitled to do whatever he wants as you are. You are basically using him as a scapegoat to express your feelings on the Afghanistan conflict and the military in general, even when you know you are on total different planes of mentalities. Your idea of the military and the mission in Afghanistan is not 'right' by any means, neither is SKEEA's necessarily. Stop acting like you are high and mighty because you are conscientious objector and see through the military and government's tricks to enlist. tl;dr you are heckling someone over nothing, and you will not change anything.[/QUOTE] cool dude this has 0.00% to do with anything with the discussion

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37296749]It is a long way of saying that I can't justify my service to [U]you[/U] because we believe wildly different things on what constitutes justification for me joining the Army. [editline]18th August 2012[/editline] I never said I didn't have a choice. I am literally powerless to do anything to generals and directors at the pentagon because I am a goddamn private.[/QUOTE] why are you saying you're powerless to do anything to generals and the pentagon then? you keep saying stuff that seems, logically, to be in reply to something someone else said, then when asked about it you deny that it had anything to do with the original question so either you're being weird and dodgy or you're just sharing random factoids irrelevant to what everyone else is talking about [QUOTE=G3rman;37296765]Stop taking your emotions out on SKEEA, he isn't going to give you the answers you so want to pry from some person's brain. Just because you disagree with his choices in life doesn't mean anything as he is just as entitled to do whatever he wants as you are. You are basically using him as a scapegoat to express your feelings on the Afghanistan conflict and the military in general, even when you know you are on total different planes of mentalities. Your idea of the military and the mission in Afghanistan is not 'right' by any means, neither is SKEEA's necessarily. Stop acting like you are high and mighty because you are conscientious objector and see through the military and government's tricks to enlist. tl;dr you are heckling someone over nothing, and you will not change anything.[/QUOTE] except this person made a conscious decision to enlist and contribute to something that some of us find morally reprehensible so while he has a right to enlist we have a right to criticize that and ask why he chose to enlist [editline]18th August 2012[/editline] the entire reason he brought up issues with the military was to ask why you would willingly enlist knowing that these issues with the military and the impact the military's actions have on the world exist. nobody ever asked you whether or not you skulk around disagreeing with everything while on duty, the entire point was asking you why you felt it was right to enlist despite the numerous issues you would be contributing to

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37296796] except this person made a conscious decision to enlist and contribute to something that some of us find morally reprehensible so while he has a right to enlist we have a right to criticize that and ask why he chose to enlist [/QUOTE] Except that all of his answers, no matter how vague and unfulfilled for you, have been actual answers and not just something to infuriate you. If you can't read what he is saying and find an answer, that is your problem. It doesn't change the fact he doesn't have to prove anything to you, nor that he has to answer your interrogation with anything less than equal frustration to your exhausting rhetorical inquiries. SKEEA, I know you want to stick up for your beliefs but I'm sure you can see and have pointed out there is no reaching their side of the moral line. You should quit while you are ahead, you have said plenty a piece I think.

[QUOTE=G3rman;37296850]Except that all of his answers, no matter how vague and unfulfilled for you, have been actual answers and not just something to infuriate you. If you can't read what he is saying and find an answer, that is your problem. It doesn't change the fact he doesn't have to prove anything to you, nor that he has to answer your interrogation with anything less than equal frustration to your exhausting rhetorical inquiries. SKEEA, I know you want to stick up for your beliefs but I'm sure you can see and have pointed out there is no reaching their side of the moral line. You should quit while you are ahead, you have said plenty a piece I think.[/QUOTE] "despite how vague, useless or outright irrelevant his answers have been they are perfectly valid answers" why do you care so much i'm pretty sure he's an adult. if he doesn't want to discuss this he can say he's done and quit

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37296796]why are you saying you're powerless to do anything to generals and the pentagon then? you keep saying stuff that seems, logically, to be in reply to something someone else said, then when asked about it you deny that it had anything to do with the original question so either you're being weird and dodgy or you're just sharing random factoids irrelevant to what everyone else is talking about except this person made a conscious decision to enlist and contribute to something that some of us find morally reprehensible so while he has a right to enlist we have a right to criticize that and ask why he chose to enlist [editline]18th August 2012[/editline] the entire reason he brought up issues with the military was to ask why you would willingly enlist knowing that these issues with the military and the impact the military's actions have on the world exist. nobody ever asked you whether or not you skulk around disagreeing with everything while on duty, the entire point was asking you why you felt it was right to enlist despite the numerous issues you would be contributing to[/QUOTE] I am just trying to keep up with the amount of questions being asked of me, not to mention it is a little past 0200 where I am at, so my thoughts might come out a bit scrambled. When discussions happen at a high rate like this, I don't use quote tags. Anywho, I have answered the reason of why I chose to enlist, and then was immediately to answer for a lot of things that are way above my pay grade. I can never ever ever justify everything to you, as you and I [U]fundamentally disagree on everything having to do with this subject.[/U] We disagree too much for it to make sense to either of us. As it is, I am extremely tired and worn out, and I must get some sleep. I will not respond again to this thread, as there is literally nothing else I can say at this point without all of us going around in circles.

My sympathy to America, out of all the coalition forces in there you seem to be taking the brunt of the causalities.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37296869]"despite how vague, useless or outright irrelevant his answers have been they are perfectly valid answers" why do you care so much i'm pretty sure he's an adult. if he doesn't want to discuss this he can say he's done and quit[/QUOTE] I care because I see where he is coming from, not just from a military standpoint but from a civilian one. Besides, if you have permission to team up on him then I think I have the right to support him. I could say the same as why you care so much to pursue the same question even after receiving the same response. It isn't furthering any massive agenda, you are just heckling him at this point.

[QUOTE=G3rman;37296907]I care because I see where he is coming from, not just from a military standpoint but from a civilian one. Besides, if you have permission to team up on him then I think I have the right to support him. I could say the same as why you care so much to pursue the same question even after receiving the same response. It isn't furthering any massive agenda, you are just heckling him at this point.[/QUOTE] i'm not heckling him i'm trying to get a legitimate response other than "sorry but we must agree to disagree ..." explaining why he thinks participating in such a destructive and useless war is somehow justified by the fact that he gets to be a pilot. the entire thread i've been asking outright how he morally justifies his service. there's a difference between "standing up for someone" and saying "everyone stop posting immediately no more questions for my client!!" [editline]18th August 2012[/editline] if someone said "ill make you a brilliant programmer if you just go blow up some houses in some other country" id tell them to fuck off not sign away a few years of my life

[QUOTE=G3rman;37296907]I care because I see where he is coming from, not just from a military standpoint but from a civilian one. Besides, if you have permission to team up on him then I think I have the right to support him. I could say the same as why you care so much to pursue the same question even after receiving the same response. It isn't furthering any massive agenda, you are just heckling him at this point.[/QUOTE] please stop with your middle-of-the-road statements that don't actually contribute anything to the discussion it's annoying danke

skeea g3rman you are arguing real-life things with facepunchpeople quitit

[QUOTE=W0w00t;37296956]skeea g3rman you are arguing real-life things with facepunchpeople quitit[/QUOTE] hah epic :P they will never understand the ~call of duty~.. [editline]18th August 2012[/editline] dont bother talking to these subhuman morons

[QUOTE=Marbalo;37296866]As much as I dislike the general attitude of the people arguing against you in this thread, this isn't a valid response. We aren't arguing about whether we prefer tea or coffee in the morning, we're arguing ideologies here, and quite frankly you cannot back down from the argument by saying that the opposition should just agree to disagree because this isn't a trivial matter. You support the establishment you are part of. Okay, that is good. Now defend your beliefs, prove to me and others why you think joining the army was a good idea. In your case, you wanted to be a pilot. Why not be a civilian pilot? Sense of camaraderie? "esprit de corps"? Those things can be found in other fields too and are not military-exclusive. As for the general claim that a lot of folks join the military for the cash, that is not a good thing. It's not something you say and people would be all "oh i can understand that". It's a [I]bad [/I]thing that people should be [I]revolting [/I]against. When the economy is so fucking shit people have to resort to enlisting that's when you know you're doing something wrong. Call congress, complain, and as corny as it sounds -- fight for something that is actually worth fighting for. If you dont feel like doing that, and would much rather just enlist and get on with it than play political activism, then dont be surprised when people criticize you for it, that's all.[/QUOTE] Ok then, I will make this last exception before I sleep. I was on my way to becoming a civilian pilot when I enlisted. After deployment, I am going to complete the process of getting my Private Pilot license with a single engine land rating. As for the "esprit de corps", I saw the sense of camaraderie that the Army had and I found myself drawn to it. I legitimately enjoy my military experience due to the strong bonds that we all share. I can go to anywhere in the world and still share strong bonds with any Soldier I meet. It is one of the things about the Army that is distinctly unique. As for "proving" why it was a good idea for me to join, I already have stated the reasons why I did and the way I feel about the Army. However these are my personal reasons and beliefs, while you all have your own beliefs about enlisting. I believe it was a great thing that I enlisted. You all don't, and that is fine, but I have absolutely nothing to prove to you guys that it was a good idea that I enlisted because that issue is utterly [U]subjective[/U]. I am also not surprised that people criticize me. In fact, I rather expected it, and it will continue to happen for the rest of my life because criticism is everyone's right, and it is a normal part of being a person. Now, I really, really must get to sleep.

joining the military is what i want to do not kill babies, not go to war, not to 'serve', not because im being pressured to, not for college, not for anything, other than that its what i want to do [B]and if you dont like it you can suck my dick[/B]

[QUOTE=W0w00t;37297023][B]joining the military[/B] is what i want to do not kill babies, [B]not go to war[/B], not to 'serve', not because im being pressured to, not for college, not for anything, other than that its what i want to do[/QUOTE] sorry what? You want to join the military, but not go to war?

[QUOTE=W0w00t;37297023]joining the military is what i want to do not kill babies, not go to war, not to 'serve', not because im being pressured to, not for college, not for anything, other than that its what i want to do [B]and if you dont like it you can suck my dick[/B][/QUOTE] wow how noble that your meaningless desire to join an organization of destruction (in a completely unironic and non-exaggerated way) is more important than any repercussions or impact your service has on the world. really proud of you hooorah dude