Britain must talk to dictator Assad to defeat Islamic State, says former head of the Army - Polidicks

never thought i'd see the day when there'd be a situation where assad and iran would seem to be the good guys when it involves islamic militants but damn we gotta do something at this point and stopping at the syrian boarder is like trying to end ww2 by stopping at the german boarder guess we can topple him after this is all said and done anyways its not like we haven't done that before

The government in the Middle East, especially Iraq, is in the shitter. It's kinda eerie how quick the region went from the paragon of mathematics and philosophy to the center of extremism and oppresion.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45776911]But both Assad and Saddam have killed far more people than ISIS could only dream of and in horrific fashion as well [editline]23rd August 2014[/editline] What kind of mental gymnastics arrives at this conclusion. "was secular and enforced stability" By ruling the country with a Alawite cult and ordering planes to drop bombs on public rallies somehow enforces stability? Assad has been the biggest force of instability in the middle-east in the last decade. He's a crazy despot that has only harmed the region. The reason why there is so much trouble in the world right now [I]directly because of people like Assad.[/I][/QUOTE] Its not about what Assad has done, its about what ISIS is going to do.

[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;45779675]Its not about what Assad has done, its about what ISIS is going to do.[/QUOTE] Less that what Assad has done? That fucker has death camps - nazi style. What Assad has done, and has continue to do far outweighs anything ISIS has pulled.

[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;45779675]Its not about what Assad has done, its about what ISIS is going to do.[/QUOTE] That's like suggesting we should have worked with Hitler because Stalin's Soviet Union was a bigger threat to global stability.

[QUOTE=Coffee;45775687]Let's see, one is a dictator who, while doesn't provide the best quality of life in the world to his people, does try to keep the order without introducing extremism. The other is a terrorist organisation who could potentially pose a threat to a lot of other countries. [editline]23rd August 2014[/editline] On top of that, I can't think of a single revolution that's actually not caused wars/horrible shit/more dictatorships that don't benefit anyone.[/QUOTE] It's sad that I knew that the answer would be some really nebulous "he would restore ORDER" bullshit, like people in the middle east don't deserve a government that would actually just listen to its people and try fix their problems, instead need an iron-fisted despot who'd maintain a constant state of violence against his own people to deter troublemakers. And lol at "does try to keep the order without introducing extremism", apparently you've never heard the horror stories about the government-supported shabiha militias.

[QUOTE=MuTAnT;45774085]Assad is a fucking monster. This isn't a great position to be in. Something does have to be done about Syria though, it's just getting worse.[/QUOTE] He may be a monster but he's also the only thing stopping Syria from falling into chaos, kind of like how Saddam held Iraq together. [editline]24th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Hamaflavian;45781918]It's sad that I knew that the answer would be some really nebulous "he would restore ORDER" bullshit, like people in the middle east don't deserve a government that would actually just listen to its people and try fix their problems, instead need an iron-fisted despot who'd maintain a constant state of violence against his own people to deter troublemakers. And lol at "does try to keep the order without introducing extremism", apparently you've never heard the horror stories about the government-supported shabiha militias.[/QUOTE] It's better than what IS would do if they got into power. Iraq is a good example of what happens when you just dispose of dictators like Saddam and Assad and then leave the country to fend for itself.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45782180]He may be a monster but he's also the only thing stopping Syria from falling into chaos, kind of like how Saddam held Iraq together.[/QUOTE] What. Assad created all the chaos in Syria. Why do retards hold him up as a the guardian of stability when he caused every fucking problem in Syria.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;45781816]That's like suggesting we should have worked with Hitler because Stalin's Soviet Union was a bigger threat to global stability.[/QUOTE] Considering we worked with Stalin, who was literally as bad as Hitler human rights wise, what you just implied him of suggesting is exactly what the Allies did during WW2, allying with the shitty guy who is less of a threat to get rid of the bigger threat. [editline]24th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Gentry;45782207]What. Assad created all the chaos in Syria. Why do retards hold him up as a the guardian of stability when he caused every fucking problem in Syria.[/QUOTE] Because short of a NATO invasion and occupation the alternative is an Islamic Caliphate that will commit mass murder against all the Shia muslims in Syria.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45782226]Because short of a NATO invasion and occupation the alternative is an Islamic Caliphate that will commit mass murder against all the Shia muslims in Syria.[/QUOTE] congratulations in buying into the PR work of 30,000 militants

[QUOTE=Gentry;45782337]congratulations in buying into the PR work of 30,000 militants[/QUOTE] So you don't think they'll kill all the Shia, despite them having already started doing that in Iraq

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45782389]So you don't think they'll kill all the Shia, despite them having already started doing that in Iraq[/QUOTE] congratulations in buying into the PR work of 30,000 militants with a twitter account

[QUOTE=Gentry;45782475]congratulations in buying into the PR work of 30,000 militants with a twitter account[/QUOTE] So all those mass graves were just made by some guy with a twitter account then?

You know, I hate to be Captain Hindsight but all of this could've turned less shitty if the West had helped the moderate FSA back when they were the main opposition faction and were actually asking for the West's help. Extremist groups like ISIS and Jabat al-Nusra wouldn't have gained as much momentum if the moderates had been the ones running the fight against Assad. Of course people would eventually turn to the jihadists after realizing they were getting shit done and the FSA wasn't. But seriously, people really, [I]really[/I] need to stop portraying Assad as some sort of "not-as-bad-as" peacekeeping force. His army has killed way more people than ISIS could ever fucking dream of and literally gassed large swathes of his own country. Just because he runs a "secular" regime doesn't mean he's any better than the IS.