• Carry permits for the legally blind in Iowa - AKA stay away from Iowa
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We should also let people with wild, uncontrollable muscle spasms become surgeons. [editline]10th September 2013[/editline] This is a new low for Facepunch. I've seen some of you folks argue some extremely concerning points, but [I]this?[/I] Wow!
[QUOTE=mastermaul;42147093]Night sticks, stunguns, and other LTL weapons either require a level of requisite physical strength that not all individuals will be able to provide, or cannot be relied upon to sufficiently incapacitate an assailant in certain situations; not to mention they require an extremely close level of contact with the assailant during which time the victim could possibly be easily overwhelmed. Lethal force in the form of firearms is, for most people, the only defensive tool that can be consistently relied on if a situation escalates to the point where violence is necessary.[/QUOTE] So blind people shouldn't use other methods of defense because they might not be physically suited to them, but should use a weapon which requires a fair degree of accuracy (to say the least) and hand-eye co-ordination, two skills which the blind, funnily enough, aren't physically suited to using? I'm not sure that someone blind firing a gun could be considered a 'reliable' defense, at least by a sane definition of the word.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;42147093]Night sticks, stunguns, and other LTL weapons either require a level of requisite physical strength that not all individuals will be able to provide, or cannot be relied upon to sufficiently incapacitate an assailant in certain situations; not to mention they require an extremely close level of contact with the assailant during which time the victim could possibly be easily overwhelmed. Lethal force in the form of firearms is, for most people, the only defensive tool that can be consistently relied on if a situation escalates to the point where violence is necessary.[/QUOTE] I honestly can't believe you're arguing this. I think you need to go have a little sit down and think about what's been said.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;42147066]So who's gonna defend the folks who are caught in the blind guy's line of fire because he can't tell there are innocents there? Your entire conception of "self-defense" is terrifying, because you believe that defending yourself is worth putting everybody else around you at extreme risk of death or injury.[/QUOTE] If the situation has escalated to the point where lethal force is necessary then declining to defend yourself will result in a causality (the causality being yourself) and possibly a death no matter the circumstance, whether it be on an empty street or the constructed situation of an extremely crowded open area your argument entirely revolves around. Personally, I would not allow myself to be assaulted and possibly killed because of distant possibilities. If that were everyone's train of thought, almost no one outside of extremely sparse rural areas (where crime tends to be nearly non-existent) would be able to discharge a firearm in self defense in the United States because of penetration risks. It's nice to know that you're willing to deny rights to people with differing viewpoints than you, even if they are extreme. At the end of the day i'm not an issuing official for carry permits, and this opinion will have no tangible ramifications.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;42147259]If the situation has escalated to the point where lethal force is necessary then declining to defend yourself will result in a causality (the causality being yourself) and possibly a death no matter the circumstance, whether it be on an empty street or the constructed situation of an extremely crowded open area your argument entirely revolves around. Personally, I would not allow myself to be assaulted and possibly killed because of distant possibilities. If that were everyone's train of thought, almost no one outside of extremely sparse rural areas (where crime tends to be nearly non-existent) would be able to discharge a firearm in self defense in the United States because of penetration risks. It's nice to know that you're willing to deny rights to people with differing viewpoints than you, even if they are extreme. At the end of the day i'm not an issuing official for carry permits, and this opinion will have no tangible ramifications.[/QUOTE] i sincerely hope you do not own a weapon [editline]10th September 2013[/editline] or ever be allowed to purchase one.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;42147259]If the situation has escalated to the point where lethal force is necessary then declining to defend yourself will result in a causality (the causality being yourself) and possibly a death no matter the circumstance, whether it be on an empty street or the constructed situation of an extremely crowded open area your argument entirely revolves around. Personally, I would not allow myself to be assaulted and possibly killed because of distant possibilities. If that were everyone's train of thought, almost no one outside of extremely sparse rural areas (where crime tends to be nearly non-existent) would be able to discharge a firearm in self defense in the United States because of penetration risks. It's nice to know that you're willing to deny rights to people with differing viewpoints than you, even if they are extreme. At the end of the day i'm not an issuing official for carry permits, and this opinion will have no tangible ramifications.[/QUOTE] Every creepy, irresponsible, sociopathic bit of nonsense you're spewing is hysterical to me now, because I keep imagining your green-haired machinegun-wielding fursona from your DeviantArt page saying it. Oh my god, dude. I literally cannot stop laughing. [img]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs46/f/2009/184/e/6/Hide_in_the_Sun_by_Mastermaul345.jpg[/img] [URL="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24770615/blindfursona.wav"]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24770615/blindfursona.wav[/URL] oh god it is SO funny It even has a fedora, trench coat, and combat boots! Oh man! Oh man.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;42147420]Every creepy, irresponsible, sociopathic bit of nonsense you're spewing is hysterical to me now, because I keep imagine your green-haired machinegun-wielding fursona from your DeviantArt page saying it. Oh my god, dude. I literally cannot stop laughing. [img]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs46/f/2009/184/e/6/Hide_in_the_Sun_by_Mastermaul345.jpg[/img] [URL="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24770615/blindfursona.wav"]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24770615/blindfursona.wav[/URL][/QUOTE] I like to imagine all of Glaber's posts are being said by his Gmod Pony band member OC.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;42147259]If the situation has escalated to the point where lethal force is necessary then declining to defend yourself will result in a causality (the causality being yourself) and possibly a death no matter the circumstance, whether it be on an empty street or the constructed situation of an extremely crowded open area your argument entirely revolves around. Personally, I would not allow myself to be assaulted and possibly killed because of distant possibilities. If that were everyone's train of thought, almost no one outside of extremely sparse rural areas (where crime tends to be nearly non-existent) would be able to discharge a firearm in self defense in the United States because of penetration risks. It's nice to know that you're willing to deny rights to people with differing viewpoints than you, even if they are extreme. At the end of the day i'm not an issuing official for carry permits, and this opinion will have no tangible ramifications.[/QUOTE] this isn't a different viewpoint, this is about someone's physical capability to use a dangerous weapon. at the end of the day you can't guarantee what situations are going to require the use of deadly force and collateral damage is already high with gun-use even when it's being used by fully sighted people. that's not even mentioning the shitty gun culture the USA has that actually works to your detriment.
blind people shouldn't be allowed to have guns let alone carry them in public what the hell? we don't let them drive or operate heavy machinery and shit like that why the hell give them something that can be just as if not far more dangerous? [editline]11th September 2013[/editline] 'first rule of firearm safety, treat every firearm like it's loaded and never point it at someone else!' sorry i don't know where the fuck i'm pointing anything i'm blind
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;42147420]Every creepy, irresponsible, sociopathic bit of nonsense you're spewing is hysterical to me now, because I keep imagining your green-haired machinegun-wielding fursona from your DeviantArt page saying it. Oh my god, dude. I literally cannot stop laughing. [img]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs46/f/2009/184/e/6/Hide_in_the_Sun_by_Mastermaul345.jpg[/img] [URL="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24770615/blindfursona.wav"]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24770615/blindfursona.wav[/URL][/QUOTE] If we're to the point of personal insults then i'm just going to leave. But first, to clarify, there's a lot i've done in my past (near past, even) that I regret. That's one of those things and it has nothing to do with me now. Some facepunchers might remember a time when I was a belligerent homophobe. That changed long ago, and not just because of threat of being banned but because I really had a change of heart and realized how foolish I was. Looking back even a year or so ago I realize how God-awful the associations I chose were. Hate me because i'm a 'gun-nut', or whatever. Rip apart my arguments made in the thread. Please don't bring my past into it.
Without glasses, I am far beyond legally blind. I would not want me aiming a gun without glasses on. A neighbor's flower-box would probably get filled with hot lead instead of an assailant if the assailant was wearing a colourful shirt.
Stay classy, guys
[QUOTE=HkSniper;42146850] People also seem to forget most self defense scenarios involve distances under ten feet.[/QUOTE] A legally blind person wouldn't see them very well (if at all) at 10 feet. Shooting before than seems impossible. I imagine something for close range combat would be better.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42147824]I imagine something for close range combat would be better.[/QUOTE] Like... a handgun? This is the 21st century, a pocketknife doesn't exactly cut it for self defense.
This thread is fucking atrocious. [QUOTE=mastermaul;42146930]Yes, I believe all innocent people have an inalienable right to defend themselves. The only people who should be excluded from direct access from weapons are currently incarcerated prisoners who have been proven guilty and convicted of breaking just laws, and people in due process pertaining to certain relevant crimes. Arbitrary age barriers and vague possibilities derived from mental profiling shouldn't override the ability of the individual to secure their own existence and well-being. A right isn't a right unless we treat it like one.[/QUOTE] Inalienable rights (in modern parlance) do not exist. The use of "unalienable" in early U.S. literature, including the Declaration, is used to denote Blackstone's concept of natural non-absolute rights that cannot be effectively abridged or bolstered by law. A system using absolute rights is inherently logically inconsistent and/or physically impossible, only weighted non-absolute rights can be implemented in reality. Shouldn't need to explain this but considering your use of "inalienable" cannot mean "classically natural" in this context it's unclear what you're smoking. [QUOTE=HkSniper;42146850]People also seem to forget most self defense scenarios involve distances under ten feet.[/QUOTE] The overwhelming majority of the situations people would defend themselves from involve unarmed strikes and nonlethal force according to the FBI's 2011 arrest data. "Most self defense scenarios" are not "most situations where use of a gun is justified" unless you really like the idea of getting put away for manslaughter. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;42147824]A legally blind person wouldn't see them very well (if at all) at 10 feet. Shooting before than seems impossible. I imagine something for close range combat would be better.[/QUOTE] The average police officer that is shot and killed gets shot from outside striking distance (5 feet). We cannot accurately range conventional homicides. I would err on the side of assuming most also occur outside striking distance, which negates the use of katanas or whatever the fuck you'd suggest blind people defend themselves with.
You know, I can understand blind people being concerned with their safety, and I'm all for gun rights, but there's no way in hell a blind person can safely concealed-carry a gun. They'll barely be able to see the target, let alone what's past it. It'd probably be worse than me trying to shoot without my glasses on. I just don't think it's an entirely safe idea to allow this, I don't think they have the capability to know their target [i]and what's beyond it[/i], which is one of the pillars of gun safety.
[QUOTE=catbarf;42148184]Like... a handgun? This is the 21st century, a pocketknife doesn't exactly cut it for self defense.[/QUOTE] If I were blind I don't think having a gun would be any more helpful than a knife if somebody wanted to do something nasty to me.
It's not every day Electric Retard is relevant [img]http://i.imgur.com/SDU20Jo.jpg[/img]
Well, that's all right, I was planning on moving anyway.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igSoJHEdUo[/media] Sometimes I feel like this has to be posted in almost every self defense thread. If a legally blind person can barely see beyond 10, a gun is no good to them anyways.
This was the only thing I could think of when I saw the title: [img_thumb]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091103065850/borderlands/images/f/f4/TKBaha.jpg[/img_thumb]
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