First Trump-Clinton debate is the most-watched debate of all time - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Chaitin;51117773]"Successfully interrupting constantly"?? I don't think you quite understand how a debate works... Saying you want "Law and Ordah" repeatedly doesn't make you a winner. Trump lost just admit it.[/QUOTE] Neither does the average Joe, and that's his point. He says things that are simple and sound reasonable to people who barely passed high school. Hillary uses some advanced and sophisticated language, but Trump talks like a child so any under-educated jackass can understand what he's saying, and that makes him sound trustworthy. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ZachPL;51117816] CNN was the only one that I am aware of that polled real people after the debate and she won in a landslide.[/QUOTE] And thanks to Trump's genius, none of his supporters believe anything that CNN publishes. He has created a group of political activists who are [I]against[/I] fact checking.

[QUOTE=Chaitin;51117773]"Successfully interrupting constantly"?? I don't think you quite understand how a debate works... Saying you want "Law and Ordah" repeatedly doesn't make you a winner. Trump lost just admit it.[/QUOTE] I think he was being sarcastic. Trump seemed like he didn't know what he was talking about half the time.

Neither campaign was killed in the debate. They both lost in that respect. I had a great time watching the debate with 20 others, but I thought Trump didn't finish strong. A lot of the questions were against Trump which was expected (tax returns, Clinton's "look", ect). The mods never brought up Clinton mishandling classified information, Libya, Haiti, or even the DNC corruption. Trump had to bring everything up and he kept rambling as a result. The worst part is that the online polls say Trump won (/pol/ and reddit and international people) while the MSM said Clinton won. This was expected. Each side is saying their own candidate won. What are we waiting on to see who actually won? Post debate polls on who people plan to vote for?

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118159]Neither campaign was killed in the debate. They both lost in that respect. I had a great time watching the debate with 20 others, but I thought Trump didn't finish strong. A lot of the questions were against Trump which was expected (tax returns, Clinton's "look", ect). The mods never brought up Clinton mishandling classified information, Libya, Haiti, or even the DNC corruption. Trump had to bring everything up and he kept rambling as a result. The worst part is that the online polls say Trump won (/pol/ and reddit and international people) while the MSM said Clinton won. This was expected. Each side is saying their own candidate won. What are we waiting on to see who actually won? Post debate polls on who people plan to vote for?[/QUOTE] At this point you're better off reading tarot cards and gazing into crystal balls. You'd be more likely to get a sincere response there.

I don't really think these debates will help or change anything. This election is so polarizing people seem to know who they're voting for already.

[QUOTE=Oizen;51118354]This election is so polarizing people seem to know who they're voting for already.[/QUOTE] How about undecided voters? I would assume that they are the primary target of the debate.

[QUOTE=Oizen;51118354]I don't really think these debates will help or change anything. This election is so polarizing people seem to know who they're voting for already.[/QUOTE] I dont even know if the TV debates are an effective medium for persuading anymore. Before the internet went mainstream people relied on TV media for accurate news which came with some trust. Media trust today is incredibly low, and people look up and check on each candidates stances and accuracies online, and people tend to trust (truthful or not) what they look up for themselves. TV is just kinda there, and people believe it has an agenda. On the bright side, the TV debate was extremely fun seeing each candidate go at one another.

i cant believe some people are believing his spin about microphone failure

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51117489]Lots of people I have talked to via Facebook and GMod, feel that Trump won the debate in terms of constantly being on guard, and also feel that Hillary was p.much puppeting the moderators to do fact checking. I already stated my feelings on the other thread, but yeah. It's really weird how people judge who or what wins a debate.[/QUOTE] In a word, bias. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Source;51117367]When the end of the world is at stake, you kinda figured people would be more interested.[/QUOTE] I think it was more out of a weird curiosity.

There was a debate? I just watched two old people nagging

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118159]Neither campaign was killed in the debate. They both lost in that respect. I had a great time watching the debate with 20 others, but I thought Trump didn't finish strong. A lot of the questions were against Trump which was expected (tax returns, Clinton's "look", ect). The mods never brought up Clinton mishandling classified information, Libya, Haiti, or even the DNC corruption. Trump had to bring everything up and he kept rambling as a result. The worst part is that the online polls say Trump won (/pol/ and reddit and international people) while the MSM said Clinton won. This was expected. Each side is saying their own candidate won. What are we waiting on to see who actually won? Post debate polls on who people plan to vote for?[/QUOTE] Given how extremely volatile the polls have been during the entire election , I kind of expect a Brexit-like situation where the polls will be all over the place until the day of the vote, and then it turns out that said polls were off by a wide margin. I expect this election to be decided by a far smaller margin than most polls are saying. Then again, there are still multiple debates remaining, so who knows how those will go over? This election is insanely hard to predict given how unpredictable the candidates tend to get, no wonder that those media figures who usually predict elections with decent accuracy seem to get more and more stressed as the election nears its end, their reputation is on the line, and it certainly shows that they are not taking it well that it might be a career-ender too for them at that if they get this one wrong.

The funniest bit of this shit is going to pol. These people are so fucking delusional they think there is some vast shadow-jew army working to skew pretty much every single poll out there to make it look like Hillary came out on top.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118159]Neither campaign was killed in the debate. They both lost in that respect.[/QUOTE] Wait a week for the polls to stabilize [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118159]I had a great time watching the debate with 20 others, but I thought Trump didn't finish strong. A lot of the questions were against Trump which was expected (tax returns, Clinton's "look", ect). The mods never brought up Clinton mishandling classified information, Libya, Haiti, or even the DNC corruption. Trump had to bring everything up and he kept rambling as a result.[/QUOTE] The mod specifically addressed her emails. 7 investigations found no wrongdoing by Clinton. A moderator has no obligation to humoring propaganda. There was no link from Clinton to the DNC scandal. [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118159]The worst part is that the online polls say Trump won (/pol/ and reddit and international people) while the MSM said Clinton won. This was expected. Each side is saying their own candidate won. [/QUOTE] I love the undertones here [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118159] What are we waiting on to see who actually won? Post debate polls on who people plan to vote for?[/QUOTE] Polls next week

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51118560]Wait a week for the polls to stabilize The mod specifically addressed her emails. 7 investigations found no wrongdoing by Clinton. A moderator has no obligation to humoring propaganda. There was no link from Clinton to the DNC scandal. I love the undertones here Polls next week[/QUOTE] Polls usually don't change much after the debates, unless if a Candidate Fucked up.

Holt did not bring up the emails. Trump did, and he let Clinton respond to the attack. You keep picking apart everything I say like I'm hinting that Trump won. I'm not suggesting that. You don't trust online polls because they can be raided, and people (especially conservatives) don't trust what the media says because they manipulate information through presentation. That one 67% poll you guys were touting from CNN had a very small sample size. I don't know who won, and I personally don't care. The debate was entertaining, and the end goal is to win the election, not the debate.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51118603]Polls usually don't change much after the debates, unless if a Candidate Fucked up.[/QUOTE] I don't expect more than a 1 or 2 point bump for Clinton.

This is what the debate showed me: For starters, both candidates are complete trash. I wish I didn't stay purposely ignorant up until this debate because then I could have saved myself the "shock" and already join the club of realizing how shit this election truly is, earlier. Now that this debate got my critical attention, Hillary honestly tore Trump up. Like it was almost too easy for her to bait, target and ultimately kill Trump on the debate grounds. She's clearly very experienced in debates and extremely effective at what she does. Her responses therefore were entirely stereotypical politician. So much so that when she said she's trying to be presidential, I realized just how flat she seems to be. A cookie cutter, presidential candidate that is definitely more politician than anything and with skeletons in her closet that could have been brought out last night but Trump can't control his ego and desire to try and throw in his own zingers while forfeiting any real substance to his arguments. This lead to vague but long ramblings. Sometimes he had some great points to make for his argument but it wasn't cohesive enough and not substantial in the face of "the politician" who, regardless if you support her or not, could get a lot of her argument out coherently and structured. She was very prepared. Even though 2 mins into the debate she started the shit flinging with a personal attack immediately. That sets Trump off so easily that it only proved her point about him even further: he has shit temperament and she got under his skin easily. It threw Trump for a loop. That fact made Trump's comments about having a 'great temperament' total nonsense. It was at that moment I further realized that this is like some sort of reality tv grade bullshit drama. But this is the goddamn US presidential race! It's a reality all right! So as the debate goes on I keep wondering when Trump will use his ammunition he had to bring to light Hillary's own dirt but he never expanded on any of it. Missed opportunities abound, some things left unsaid entirely (The Cyber Security topic literally handed Trump an opportunity to rip into Hillary on OpSec but he barely used it to full effect). I can't stand Hillary and I had hoped Trump being a wild card meant he was saving some good shit for detailed explanations in this debate but it only seemed to show more vague answers. By the powers of debate standards, Hillary definitely won. She definitely had a lot more substance to her arguments, she was able to rip into Trump with every attack and it showed its effect on him whenever he tried to retort. Even though Trump had some good points, he never capitalized and therefore missed tons of opportunities. He played defense all night and and gave her free reign. I hope the next debate is equally entertaining.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51118632]I don't expect more than a 1 or 2 point bump for Clinton.[/QUOTE] Clinton really needs that 2% bump. If she could get that in Florida I'd certainly feel a hell of a lot more comfortable.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118615]Holt did not bring up the emails. Trump did, and he let Clinton respond to the attack.[/QUOTE] Trump brought it up when asked about his tax returns which prompted Holt to ask her about the emails. The distinction is academic; they were in the debate. [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118615] You keep picking apart everything I say like I'm hinting that Trump won. I'm not suggesting that. [/QUOTE] So you don't believe the online polls showing Trump winning? [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118615] The debate was entertaining [/QUOTE] At least here we can agree

[QUOTE=Teratoma;51118551]The funniest bit of this shit is going to pol. These people are so fucking delusional they think there is some vast shadow-jew army working to skew pretty much every single poll out there to make it look like Hillary came out on top.[/QUOTE] Which is ironic as shit, since they literally flooded online polls with bots yesterday to make it look like Trump won. They really can't handle reality, huh?

[QUOTE=archangel125;51118786]Which is ironic as shit, since they literally flooded online polls with bots yesterday to make it look like Trump won. They really can't handle reality, huh?[/QUOTE] It's Bernie all over again

a lot of berniebros switched over to trump really easily (some on fp notwithstanding), which tells you all you need to know about them

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;51118840]It's Bernie all over again[/QUOTE] You mean Bernie supporters did that shit too?

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51118377]Before the internet went mainstream people relied on TV media for accurate news which came with some trust. Media trust today is incredibly low, and people look up and check on each candidates stances and accuracies online, and people tend to trust (truthful or not) what they look up for themselves. TV is just kinda there, and people believe it has an agenda.[/QUOTE] How it would be ideally. How it actually is, someone joins an echochamber and becomes extremely entrenched in their opinion. They start to ignore facts that are contrary to their believes, and promote or even make up facts that are supportive of their beliefs. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is automatically an enemy, or ripe for conversion if the circumstances are right. The media is always against them (except when it isn't), anything that doesn't fit their world view is enemy propaganda, and anything that does is the undeniable truth. Oh yeah, and the enemy are malicious fools stuck in echo-chambers and spreading lies.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51118956]"I didn't get what I wanted. Better go for the exact fucking opposite."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51118870]a lot of berniebros switched over to trump really easily (some on fp notwithstanding), which tells you all you need to know about them[/QUOTE] Probably because it really seems like hillary stole the candidate spot from him, literally no one I've talked to in live likes Hillary, I still suspect some sort of foul play on the matter. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate Hillary and not vote for her, all things considered I view her just as bad as trump, if not worse in some areas. People don't seem to want to admit that here though. There is literally no reason for anyone to be happy with either side of this election.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51118956]"I didn't get what I wanted. Better go for the exact fucking opposite."[/QUOTE] literally throwing a tantrum

More because they're willing to stake the future of the country on a grudge they have against Hillary for her underhanded dealing, which is about as childish as one can get.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51119061]More because they're willing to stake the future of the country on a grudge they have against Hillary for her underhanded dealing, which is about as childish as one can get.[/QUOTE]Let's examine this for a moment: If the Democrats had multiple options for candidates, then strong-armed in the [I]only[/I] candidate who is weak enough to possibly lose against Toupee Satan, in a manner blatant enough to sour previously locked-in votes against their party, who's fault is it that Toupee Satan has a chance of winning? I have no love for Trump, but this election isn't a contest to win new votes. Both candidates are so incredibly shitty that the one which [I]hemorrhages support less[/I] is essentially going to be declared the winner by default.

[QUOTE=Oizen;51119041]Probably because it really seems like hillary stole the candidate spot from him, literally no one I've talked to in live likes Hillary, I still suspect some sort of foul play on the matter. [B] There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate Hillary and not vote for her, all things considered I view her just as bad as trump, if not worse in some areas. People don't seem to want to admit that here though. [/B] There is literally no reason for anyone to be happy with either side of this election.[/QUOTE] Or it could be people just have genuine differences of opinion. The key difference is that while [I][B]literally [/B][/I]every single poster who has favored Clinton over Trump will readily share why they don't like her, Trump supporters will outright refuse to cede any ground on their candidate. [QUOTE=Pennywise;51119129]Let's examine this for a moment: If the Democrats had multiple options for candidates, then strong-armed in the [I]only[/I] candidate who is weak enough to possibly lose against Toupee Satan, in a manner blatant enough to sour previously locked-in votes against their party, [B]who's fault is it that Toupee Satan has a chance of winning?[/B] I have no love for Trump, but this election isn't a contest to win new votes. Both candidates are so incredibly shitty that the one which [I]hemorrhages support less[/I] is essentially going to be declared the winner by default.[/QUOTE] Trump voters. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;51119061]More because they're willing to stake the future of the country on a grudge they have against Hillary for her underhanded dealing, which is about as childish as one can get.[/QUOTE] Key detail here though: nothing links Clinton or the Clinton campaign to the DNC emails. I wouldn't be surprised if she knew what was going on but there is absolutely zero evidence to support the case that she was the one involved in "underhanded dealing".

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51118777] So you don't believe the online polls showing Trump winning? [/QUOTE] I don't believe [I]anything[/I] regarding the debate right now. Saying that the polls were rigged is about as probable as saying the media is rigged for Clinton. The only truthful things are the sound bytes that came out of the debate, all from Trump, and its a mixed bag. He inhaled through the mic, said that hacking can be done by his 10yo son or a 400lb man, and said that Clinton took 30 years to figure out how to get rid of ISIS. These memes are the only truths right now, but what they [I]mean[/I] is up to interpretation. This election has ruined people's trust in each other, mine included. Polls are manipulated through botting, sample sizes, selective sampling, ect. Traditional media (TV + their website variants) skews information, and fringe media asks meaningful questions but gives baseless or conspiracy tier answers. There's no way to get [del]accurate[/del] meaningful information anymore, except through what actually happens. I don't even think I will be able to call a winner before the election at this rate.