First Trump-Clinton debate is the most-watched debate of all time - Polidicks

[QUOTE=archangel125;51119061]More because they're willing to stake the future of the country on a grudge they have against Hillary for her underhanded dealing, which is about as childish as one can get.[/QUOTE] (Just to preface this - I am not one of those people who got swayed into voting Trump. I'm most likely voting third party at this point, and I typically lean left.) If people are voting Trump instead because of a petty grudge against Hillary, I can understand your point - however, that does not invalidate that some people have legitimate concerns at how Hillary colluded with DWS and the DNC to rig the election, on top of trying to interfere with political discourse through initiatives like Correct the Record. Again, I am not voting Trump either way, but don't forget - there are several grievances people have with Hillary that are completely fair and valid. I'm genuinely concerned at the precedent that could be set for future Democratic candidates, should they ever feel as emboldened as Clinton evidently did this election. Point being, it's not only sexists, Republicans, or "salty Bernie Bros" who still have umbrage with voting for Clinton. Had the DNC scandal not been a problem on top of initiatives like Correct the Record, I'd vote for Clinton in a heartbeat after seeing the debate last night. However, I don't want to send the message that it's okay to manipulate voters into complacency and submissiveness. I am fully aware that no politician is perfect and that compromises must be made when it comes to picking representatives who are close enough, but that doesn't excuse Clinton's blatant interference with this election.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51119291]I don't believe [I]anything[/I] regarding the debate right now. Saying that the polls were rigged is about as probable as saying the media is rigged for Clinton. [/QUOTE] Do you not see how wildly unequivalent these two claims are though Like how can you be in a thread where people are encouraging people to brigade online polls, and then look at a Republican pollsters focus group showing overwhelming Clinton support, and then shrug and go "fuck idk can't trust either one of them" Do you not see how people might think you are being just a little bit disingenuous here? [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51119291]The only truthful things are the sound bytes that came out of the debate, all from Trump, and its a mixed bag. He inhaled through the mic, said that hacking can be done by his 10yo son or a 400lb man, and said that Clinton took 30 years to figure out how to get rid of ISIS. These memes are the only truths right now, but what they [I]mean[/I] is up to interpretation.[/QUOTE] How are those truths? [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51119291]This election has ruined people's trust in each other, mine included. Polls are manipulated through botting, sample sizes, selective sampling, ect. Traditional media (TV + their website variants) skews information, and fringe media asks meaningful questions but gives baseless or conspiracy tier answers. There's no way to get [del]accurate[/del] meaningful information anymore, except through what actually happens. I don't even think I will be able to call a winner before the election at this rate.[/QUOTE] I still absolutely trust professionals when given a lack of evidence regarding their guilt, and I have never trusted online polls. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51119322] If people are voting Trump instead because of a petty grudge against Hillary, I can understand your point - however, that does not invalidate that some people have legitimate concerns at how Hillary colluded with DWS and the DNC to rig the election, on top of trying to interfere with political discourse through initiatives like Correct the Record. [/QUOTE] How did the DWS and DNC rig the election?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51119261] Trump voters.[/QUOTE] Entirely? Because I'm seeing an election where Vermin Supreme would be a viable option, if third parties weren't "Throwing away your vote" as it's often said. If Trump wins this election, I am putting the brunt of the blame on the Democrats. Trump has given them [I]every[/I] possible advantage, made [I]every[/I] possible gaffe, committed [I]every[/I] possible form of campaign suicide... and is still right there in the game, because his opposition [I]refuses[/I] to not be a similar flavor of terrible. This should be a walk in the park for the Democrats, but it isn't. They have gone up against the embodiment of shitposting, been measured against it, and have been judged almost interchangeable with it. This cannot be brushed off as merely something to deride 'the enemy' for, this is a very worrying problem with very worrying implications that go deeper than "Boy are there a lot of idiots in the other camp".

[QUOTE=Pennywise;51119363]Entirely? Because I'm seeing an election where Vermin Supreme would be a viable option, if third parties weren't "Throwing away your vote" as it's often said. If Trump wins this election, I am putting the brunt of the blame on the Democrats. Trump has given them [I]every[/I] possible advantage, made [I]every[/I] possible gaffe, committed [I]every[/I] possible form of campaign suicide... and is still right there in the game, because his opposition [I]refuses[/I] to not be a similar flavor of terrible. This should be a walk in the park for the Democrats, but it isn't. They have gone up against the embodiment of shitposting, been measured against it, and have been judged almost interchangeable with it. This cannot be brushed off as merely something to deride 'the enemy' for, this is a very worrying problem with very worrying implications that go deeper than "Boy are there a lot of idiots in the other camp".[/QUOTE] Putting the blame on the Democrats is simply passing the buck. This isn't a difficult concept. It's a one person one vote democracy. If Trump gets more people to vote for him, and wins, that is directly because people who voted for him tipped the electoral college in his favor. Splitting up his base into "Republican loyalists, True Trump Supporters, and Bernouts" to satisfy your narrative that the Democrats are the bad guys. I'm not saying there are a lot of idiots in the other camp (there are, but its not strictly related to this) I'm saying that Trump winning would be the result of people voting for Trump.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51119291]I don't believe [I]anything[/I] regarding the debate right now.[/QUOTE] To be fair to Trump, we have no proof that reality exists outside of our own mind and so we can never know for sure that his disastrous debate performance really happened

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51119447]Putting the blame on the Democrats is simply passing the buck. This isn't a difficult concept. It's a one person one vote democracy. If Trump gets more people to vote for him, and wins, that is directly because people who voted for him tipped the electoral college in his favor. Splitting up his base into "Republican loyalists, True Trump Supporters, and Bernouts" to satisfy your narrative that the Democrats are the bad guys. I'm not saying there are a lot of idiots in the other camp (there are, but its not strictly related to this) I'm saying that Trump winning would be the result of people voting for Trump.[/QUOTE]And also the ones who went third party because of the shitty options. Because voting third party is voting for Trump, right? That's what I've been told over and over around here. They're as bad as the Republicans, because they're not voting for the Democrats. I don't think you're quite getting the main thrust of my point here. Note that I've been ragging on both sides - explicitly calling Trump "Toupee Satan" and "The Embodiment of Shitposting" - and yet what you got out of that was that I'm calling just the Democrats the bad guys. They're both absolute shit in this election, but I gotta be on one of the two sides, right? This is a terrible, terrible situation, that required a joint effort from many terrible, terrible people. I do not consider the Democrats worse than the Republicans here, but I am absolutely disgusted by the fact that I can't bring myself to call them [I]better[/I] either. This could all have been avoided so easily. Stop burning bridges with anyone who does not immediately fall in line, telling them that you don't need them then wondering where they are come election day. Stop taking criticism of your own party as an attack and by default support of the other party. Stop taking the other side tanking as a blank check, relying on the two party system to guarantee you a win as long as you toe the line where you think you'll still be a fraction of a fraction more palatable than the competition. Get your shit together. If the other side actually is as apocalyptic as you think, [I]stop playing games with the electoral process and give people reasons to actually like you.[/I]

[QUOTE=Pennywise;51119541]And also the ones who went third party because of the shitty options. Because voting third party is voting for Trump, right? That's what I've been told over and over around here. They're as bad as the Republicans, because they're not voting for the Democrats.[/QUOTE] I explicitly said "Trump voters" and not "Third party voters" or "Voters who didn't vote Clinton". I wouldn't blame Clinton, Stein, or Johnson voters for a Trump victory. I'd blame Trump voters. Then I'd spend 4 years laughing at them. [QUOTE=Pennywise;51119541]I don't think you're quite getting the main thrust of my point here. Note that I've been ragging on both sides - explicitly calling Trump "Toupee Satan" and "The Embodiment of Shitposting" - and yet what you got out of that was that I'm calling just the Democrats the bad guys. They're both absolute shit in this election, but I gotta be on one of the two sides, right? This is a terrible, terrible situation, that required a joint effort from many terrible, terrible people. I do not consider the Democrats worse than the Republicans here, but I am absolutely disgusted by the fact that I can't bring myself to call them [I]better[/I] either. This could all have been avoided so easily. Stop burning bridges with anyone who does not immediately fall in line, telling them that you don't need them then wondering where they are come election day. Stop taking criticism of your own party as an attack and by default support of the other party. Stop taking the other side tanking as a blank check, relying on the two party system to guarantee you a win as long as you toe the line where you think you'll still be a fraction of a fraction more palatable than the competition. Get your shit together. If the other side actually is as apocalyptic as you think, [I]stop playing games with the electoral process and give people reasons to actually like you.[/I][/QUOTE] I'm not in the business of winning people to the Democrats so I don't bother, I just attempt to make the case that confined to this election, Clinton would be a better president than Trump unless you happen to fall into highly specific niches.

[QUOTE=Source;51117367]When the end of the world is at stake, you kinda figured people would be more interested.[/QUOTE] Okay Mr. Knight of Justice, Hero of The Grand Alliance, how is the world is in peril because of a shitty president we might have? Also; What is impeachment? What is separation of powers? What is CONGRESS? What is the Supreme Court? What are checks and balances?

[QUOTE=space1;51119736]Okay Mr. Knight of Justice, Hero of The Grand Alliance, how is the world is in peril because of a shitty president we might have? Also; What is impeachment? What is separation of powers? What is CONGRESS? What is the Supreme Court? What are checks and balances?[/QUOTE] You're forgetting something. The President can do a hell of a lot of damage even despite all those checks and balances, if the wrong person is in charge. [URL="http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/09/27/hillary-clinton-endorsement/91198668/"]Arizona Republic, the Conservative newspaper that just endorsed a Democrat for the first time in a hundred and twenty-six years, explains it perfectly.[/URL]

I watched it with a few mates and it was hilarious. I can't wait for the next one.

This feels like the only way Hillary would ever be able to become president. Pit her up against the worst imaginable adversary for the title, and she will win. Not so much otherwise. It feels like everything is planned to make people like her and vote for her when Trump is at hand.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51120207]This feels like the only way Hillary would ever be able to become president. Pit her up against the worst imaginable adversary for the title, and she will win. Not so much otherwise. It feels like everything is planned to make people like her and vote for her when Trump is at hand.[/QUOTE] and to think such a situation so fortuitous for clinton has only arisen because the republican voting base is so astoundingly gullible they fell for the cheap theatrics of a politically illiterate two bit huckster

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51119291]I don't believe [I]anything[/I] regarding the debate right now. Saying that the polls were rigged is about as probable as saying the media is rigged for Clinton. The only truthful things are the sound bytes that came out of the debate, all from Trump, and its a mixed bag. He inhaled through the mic, said that hacking can be done by his 10yo son or a 400lb man, and said that Clinton took 30 years to figure out how to get rid of ISIS. These memes are the only truths right now, but what they [I]mean[/I] is up to interpretation. This election has ruined people's trust in each other, mine included. Polls are manipulated through botting, sample sizes, selective sampling, ect. Traditional media (TV + their website variants) skews information, and fringe media asks meaningful questions but gives baseless or conspiracy tier answers. There's no way to get [del]accurate[/del] meaningful information anymore, except through what actually happens. I don't even think I will be able to call a winner before the election at this rate.[/QUOTE] Why not mention the truths Clinton said? Like how Trump's plan would destroy the US economy according to most experts in the universe. Or how stop and frisk doesnt work. Or how global warming isnt a conspiracy but actually a science. Or how Trump isnt responsible or mature enough to be president.

[QUOTE=Vasili;51117633]Aren't most of the polls saying Trump won?[/QUOTE] Online internet polls are highly untrustworthy as they are easily brigaded and exploited with bots.

[QUOTE=Jrose14;51117433]Me and my mates got drunk while we watched, taking drinks whenever one of the candidates acted like a huge jackass.[/QUOTE] you drank for a straight 90 minutes? are you ok?

[QUOTE=Chaitin;51117830]If this what you considers "polls" [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8ww7WrA.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] If these are internet polls, they're absolutely meaningless. Give it a week for polls like 538 to adjust.

The first post-debate poll has given Clinton a 4-point bump. Wait for more polls before getting excited though [url]https://morningconsult.com/2016/09/28/clinton-bests-trump-debate-half-likely-voters-say/[/url]

[QUOTE=smurfy;51121559]The first post-debate poll has given Clinton a 4-point bump. Wait for more polls before getting excited though [url]https://morningconsult.com/2016/09/28/clinton-bests-trump-debate-half-likely-voters-say/[/url][/QUOTE] Mm, sorry, but Breitbart said Trump won in a landslide, so...

That makes 4 scientific polls on the 'winner' of the debate, all of them finding that Clinton won by a pretty large margin [media]https://twitter.com/skoczela/status/781098973373300736[/media] So we can now say definitively that Clinton won the first debate in the eyes of the public, but we'll need a few more horserace polls to determine for sure what kind of impact it's had on the race - we can't yet eliminate the possibility that voters don't give a shit and are still going to vote for Trump anyway

[QUOTE=archangel125;51119748]You're forgetting something. The President can do a hell of a lot of damage even despite all those checks and balances, if the wrong person is in charge. [URL="http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/09/27/hillary-clinton-endorsement/91198668/"]Arizona Republic, the Conservative newspaper that just endorsed a Democrat for the first time in a hundred and twenty-six years, explains it perfectly.[/URL][/QUOTE] While Trump isn't the end of the world, He will do damage to the USA Abroad.

If this doesn't result in a notable shift, it could spell trouble. It's hard to flounder more dramatically than Trump did on that debate stage. As humiliating as this debate was for him, it's unlikely he'll flop this hard again -- unless of course he follows through on his ruminations to double down on the "petulant baby" angle and start shit-flinging Hillary on stage for Bill cheating on her. If, after all that, he is still soundly hanging in there, then it tells us that the people considering voting for him [I]just don't care[/I] that he's a furious manbaby with broken policies.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51121858]If this doesn't result in a notable shift, it could spell trouble. It's hard to flounder more dramatically than Trump did on that debate stage. As humiliating as this debate was for him, it's unlikely he'll flop this hard again -- unless of course he follows through on his ruminations to double down on the "petulant baby" angle and start shit-flinging Hillary on stage for Bill cheating on her. If, after all that, he is still soundly hanging in there, then it tells us that the people considering voting for him [I]just don't care[/I] that he's a furious manbaby with broken policies.[/QUOTE] Or they hate Hilary so much they'll vote for Trump.

Sheeeeit lol [media]https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/781137997622308864[/media] Can't be sure yet though

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51121858]If this doesn't result in a notable shift, it could spell trouble. It's hard to flounder more dramatically than Trump did on that debate stage. As humiliating as this debate was for him, it's unlikely he'll flop this hard again -- unless of course he follows through on his ruminations to double down on the "petulant baby" angle and start shit-flinging Hillary on stage for Bill cheating on her. If, after all that, he is still soundly hanging in there, then it tells us that the people considering voting for him [I]just don't care[/I] that he's a furious manbaby with broken policies.[/QUOTE] That is a scary as shit mentality. Hatred for Hillary that many people have is pretty much insanity, if they want to go full on with Trump after all this. I don't even like Hillary, but for Christ sake she has presidential look and experience. She was de-facto vice president as a First Lady to Bill, she was a strong and popular senator in New York even to this day. She was a Secretary of the State and did a good job at it until she resigned. What does Trump have? He's nothing but a cry man-baby with easily hurt ego that would drag US into unnecessary wars and destroy decades old alliances. And he's a bigger and worse liar then Hillary ever was and will be, while their corruptions can not be compared due to how huge history with corruption Donald has. Everything wrong you can say for Hillary, can be said for Trump and even be worse. Anyone who supports Trump after watching this debate is either insane or genuinely hates US and the Western world.

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51122265]I don't even like Hillary, but for Christ sake she has [b]presidential look[/b] and experience.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but how is she stamina-wise?

[QUOTE=phaedon;51122316]Yeah, but how is she stamina-wise?[/QUOTE] Well she didn't need to drink water like Trump needed, so I guess she can outrun Trump.

[QUOTE=phaedon;51122316]Yeah, but how is she stamina-wise?[/QUOTE] fine, if tired from the extensive campaigning and her recent illness, and the side effects of her medicines. She'll probably do better once she's had some time to rest after the campaign's over.

Enough stamina to run for president while sick with pneumonia anyway

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51122321]fine, if tired from the extensive campaigning and her recent illness, and the side effects of her medicines. She'll probably do better once she's had some time to rest after the campaign's over.[/QUOTE] I was joking about Trump's half-assed deflection: [url]http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/26/clinton-trump-debate-hofstra-hillary-clinton-stamina-12.cnn/video/playlists/2016-presidential-debate-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/[/url]

[QUOTE=lavacano;51118178]At this point you're better off reading tarot cards and gazing into crystal balls. You'd be more likely to get a sincere response there.[/QUOTE] There plenty of people trying to predict this election with tarot and what not and putting it up on you tube