Sea Shepherd unveils its 4th vessel. An actual Japanese Research ship. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=KG_1;38785832]OOOHH ZIIIIIIIIINGGGG! Touchdown! I don't know what language you use, but did I say they [b]SHOULD[/b] die? I merely stated my opinion that someone is going to kill them with a little taste of sarcasm.[/QUOTE] and the point you were trying to convey using that sarcasm was..?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38785845]and the point you were trying to convey using that sarcasm was..?[/QUOTE] As I stated before, my opinion. It's nothing complicated, friend.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38783891]mmmm yes killing people for their opinions is such a fantastic idea, I'm sure it's worked out for people who tried to do the same in the past, right?[/QUOTE] It's an ugly answer, but it's one of those ugly ethical questions. Would the people around them be better off or worse off without them?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38785773]yep environmental activists protesting the illegal slaughter of endangered species deserve to die fuckin hippies[/QUOTE] To be fair, Minke whales in the southern ocean are not quite endangered. They're doing pretty good actually. However if it wasn't for the massive movement against whaling in the 60s then they probably would be endangered because the other large catch whales would be extinct. The Right Whale may be on it's way to extinction despite hunting for them having ended in the 1950s. [editline]11th December 2012[/editline] Whaling regulations have to be more strict than fishing regulations because if you take one too many, it will be impossible for the species to recover and they will doomed for extinction through other means, simply because their numbers were cut so thin in the past. [editline]11th December 2012[/editline] Now the Fin Whales that show up on the annual quota of the whaling fleet. That's a different story. Those are endangered.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;38785531]Good luck trying to operate a massive welder off a dingy without attracting customs patrols or security to see why a fucking ship is shitting out sparks[/QUOTE] No no no no no, UNDERNEATH the boat. It's called hyperbaric welding, welding from underneath the water.

believe it or not, a lot of whaleboats and any ship in general that go into the sea for extended periods usually have a crew member with a firearm or two stashed or hidden somewhere in their ship. I really would not be surprised if one of them gets shot on their 'goal', I really wouldn't. If it does happen the Japanese government will probably just charge the said crew member that did it saying he acted outside of their policies and law, and that would more or less be the end of it.

[QUOTE=OvB;38783680]Except they've never done that. The only ships they've [i]actually[/i] taken credit for sinking have been in ports, and they've never been held accountable for them because they have a fairly good legal team at their disposal. And at least one of them was actually an illegal ship, and the owners never showed up in court after Paul turned himself in for doing it. (allegedly) For the record, I don't condone most of their tactics. I wish they would lay off the acid bombs and intentional rammings. I just follow their activities because they're one of the largest, if not the largest ocean-based conservation groups out there. I like to keep track with all of ocean-conservation efforts controversial or not.[/QUOTE] Wasn't the sinking of ships in ports Green Peace back in the 80's when the French still had whaling ships? Wait. Holy shit here it is. Wow. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior[/url]

[QUOTE=ewitwins;38786189]Wasn't the sinking of ships in ports Green Peace back in the 80's when the French still had whaling ships? Wait. Holy shit here it is. Wow. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior[/url][/QUOTE] That was when the French military sank the Rainbow Warrior and killed two Greenpeace activists. Sea Shepherd has been involved in a few sinkings of whaling ships around the world: [url]https://we.riseup.net/imc-uk+animalliberation/agenda-21[/url] They don't even try to hide that they sunk ships before. It's right there on their website: [url]http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/2008/11/10/victory-for-the-whales-in-berlin-1224[/url] [quote]Since 1979, Sea Shepherd crew and agents have sent ten illegal whaling ships to the bottom: 1979 - The pirate whaler "Sierra" rammed and sunk in Portugal. 1980 - The outlaw whalers "Isba I" and "Isba II" sunk in Vigo, Spain. 1980 - The pirate whalers "Susan" and "Theresa" sunk in South Africa. 1981 - The illegal whaling ships "Hvalur 6" and "Hvalur 7" sunk in Iceland. 1992 - The outlaw whaler "Nybraena" sunk in Norway. 1994 - The pirate whaler "Senet" sunk in Norway. 1998 - The pirate whaler "Morild" sunk in Norway. In nine of these cases, no charges were ever laid against Sea Shepherd activists, and thus, no accusations of criminal activity by Sea Shepherd can be claimed. In the case of the Nybraena, charges were laid but Norwegian officials did not allow Captain Watson and his crew a proper defense. Captain Watson was arrested in Germany in 1997 under a Norwegian warrant and released the same day when the Bremen prosecutor ruled that the Norwegians did not have a case.[/quote] Many countries don't even want to bother and just kick Paul out of their country rather than throw him in jail. [editline]11th December 2012[/editline] Though there is some dispute over which ships Sea Shepherd has actually sunk. They [i]like[/i] to take claim for all 10 of those.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;38785642]Accidently rams US Navy Destroyer[/QUOTE] God I wish. These folks may have good intentions, but their methods make them despicable, asshole eco-terrorists. I hope they do ram a US warship, even accidentally, as it would mean one less bunch of asshole ecoterrorists making it hard for honest, law-abiding conservationists to get anywhere.

What happens to the crew members of the ships that get sunk?

[QUOTE=Ridge;38783690]I actually have no problem with the latter.[/QUOTE] I wish i could find a way to justify defending them, but [B]DAMN[/B] they're making it really impossible.

Call these guys whatever you want but they are actually doing something and making a difference. [editline]11th December 2012[/editline] They deserve way more respect than the majority of 'environmental groups' that only send out angry letters.

[QUOTE=aydin690;38786579]Call these guys whatever you want but they are actually doing something and making a difference. [editline]11th December 2012[/editline] They deserve way more respect than the majority of 'environmental groups' that only send out angry letters.[/QUOTE] By that logic even Greenpeace and their grassroot offshots are also chill. Which they're not. I'd rather prefer they didn't do anything at all instead of doing something that's even worse.

[QUOTE=TestECull;38786300]God I wish. These folks may have good intentions, but their methods make them despicable, asshole eco-terrorists. I hope they do ram a US warship, even accidentally, as it would mean one less bunch of asshole ecoterrorists making it hard for honest, law-abiding conservationists to get anywhere.[/QUOTE] There's no way in fuck they could even get close to one of us. We have a very decent safety range around our ships, once ships enter we give em a warning, and if determined to be heading towards us with malicious intent, then they are subject to an asswhooping.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;38786705]There's no way in fuck they could even get close to one of us. We have a very decent safety range around our ships, once ships enter we give em a warning, and if determined to be heading towards us with malicious intent, then they are subject to an asswhooping.[/QUOTE] What? You guys arm your fishing ships with Roman battering rams?

[QUOTE=smeismastger;38787060]What? You guys arm your fishing ships with Roman battering rams?[/QUOTE] He's talking about if someone tried to ran a USN warship with another ship.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;38787092]He's talking about if someone tried to ran a USN warship with another ship.[/QUOTE] Oh didn't notice that post earlier.

[QUOTE=smeismastger;38787060]What? You guys arm your fishing ships with Roman battering rams?[/QUOTE] Pretty sure warships have some sort of war weaponry. Y'know, like shell cannons.

[QUOTE=aydin690;38786579]Call these guys whatever you want but they are actually doing something and making a difference. [editline]11th December 2012[/editline] They deserve way more respect than the majority of 'environmental groups' that only send out angry letters.[/QUOTE] No, they don't deserve any respect at all. They deserve to be locked up right alongside the illegal whalers they crusade against. I don't give half a flying fuck what their justification is, sinking civilian ships just is not right. It's reckless. They're going to kill innocent sailors that board these ships solely so they can pay for their family's bills. They're eco-terrorists, nothing more. They make it difficult for honest, law-abiding conservationists to be taken seriously. They do more damage than would be done if they didn't do a fucking thing. They have no business on the open ocean and need to be locked up like the criminals they are. I've got nothing against a group that patrols the ocean and calls in the appropriate authorities when they spot an illegal whaler. That's just fine, such a group would be looking out for the interests of whales without needlessly endangering innocent lives. If this was Sea Shepherd's MO I wouldn't think negatively of them at all. But I do have something against self-righteous assholes that think they're above the law and are entitled to sink ships simply because they can, all while using the "BAWW THINK OF THE WHALES" justification to somehow escape punishment. It's sickening. [QUOTE=Jetblack357;38786705]There's no way in fuck they could even get close to one of us. We have a very decent safety range around our ships, once ships enter we give em a warning, and if determined to be heading towards us with malicious intent, then they are subject to an asswhooping.[/QUOTE] Heh.

The day the Japanese torpedoes them, I'll throw a party.

[QUOTE=TestECull;38786300]God I wish. These folks may have good intentions, but their methods make them despicable, asshole eco-terrorists. I hope they do ram a US warship, even accidentally, as it would mean one less bunch of asshole ecoterrorists making it hard for honest, law-abiding conservationists to get anywhere.[/QUOTE] lol what their methods aren't even that crazy considering they're defending an intelligent animal from being tortured to death. do you think the methods of park rangers in africa dealing with rhino killing poachers make them despicable asshole eco terrorists?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38787238]lol what their methods aren't even that crazy considering they're defending an intelligent animal from being tortured to death. do you think the methods of park rangers in africa dealing with rhino killing poachers make them despicable asshole eco terrorists?[/QUOTE] Nice comparison....Hah! I can't say that straight facedly. Let's see here. 1: Sea Shepherd is a group of [b]private citizens.[/b] They do not have any authority over anyone. They do not have any governmental permission to do anything they do. I can guarantee you they'd be hauled off to jail within fifteen minutes if they attacked crab fisherman off the eastern seaboard the same way they attack whalers. Those park rangers, however, are employed by the government to enforce the laws. They are the authorities. They are granted the power to enforce anti-poaching laws on the savannah, that is their job. They are basically police officers. 2: Those park rangers give the poachers a chance or two to stop poaching before they shoot. They don't 'shoot on sight'..well they aren't supposed to anyway. Sea Shepherd, however, does 'shoot on sight'. They don't give the whalers any chances, they just ram them. 3: Those park rangers have the necessary authority to do what they do. [i]Again, they are official government law enforcement. They are the authorities.[/i] By your logic we should get rid of street cops, too, right? After all if you break the law they show up and force you to give up your freedom, that makes them terrorists by your logic.

For what's it worth, they at least have sexy camouflage... [IMG]http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/HNBC/SSPaint.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=TestECull;38787275]Nice comparison....Hah! I can't say that straight facedly. Let's see here. 1: Sea Shepherd is a group of [b]private citizens.[/b] They do not have any authority over anyone. They do not have any governmental permission to do anything they do. I can guarantee you they'd be hauled off to jail within fifteen minutes if they attacked crab fisherman off the eastern seaboard the same way they attack whalers. Those park rangers, however, are employed by the government to enforce the laws. They are the authorities. They are granted the power to enforce anti-poaching laws on the savannah, that is their job. They are basically police officers. 2: Those park rangers give the poachers a chance or two to stop poaching before they shoot. They don't 'shoot on sight'..well they aren't supposed to anyway. Sea Shepherd, however, does 'shoot on sight'. They don't give the whalers any chances, they just ram them. 3: Those park rangers have the necessary authority to do what they do. [i]Again, they are official government law enforcement. They are the authorities.[/i] By your logic we should get rid of street cops, too, right? After all if you break the law they show up and force you to give up your freedom, that makes them terrorists by your logic.[/QUOTE] it's open water the whalers have no authority there either, heck they're actually banned from quite a lot of places they still go. and uh wasnt it the sea shepherd ship that got rammed and sunk by a whaler rather than the other way around? and you can't compare shooting to a tiny boat attempting to ram a huge one, especially when it never happened in the first place. well frankly i dont care about the authority, if i saw someone torturing a dog i would stop them but i'm not animal control am i? you realize that's what this is about right? people torturing to death animals, not just animals but one of the smartest species on the planet.

This issue always has me torn. On one hand, Seafags have no authority or right to do this. On the other its completely despicable what the whalers do.

[QUOTE=Ridge;38783584]Would that be their skull and cross-staffs? Those that could easily be misunderstood as the international sign of "we be pirates" ? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GzFPY.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]Have any pirates actually flown the Jolly Roger or a variation of it since the 19th century, though? The popular image of pirates has been dead since at least 1720 (and the use of the Jolly Roger died with it), after which it's far less common and mostly privateering until 1850.

I don't know what I think about sea shepard I mean, I guess they have a cool mission I just don't like some of the tactics they use [editline]11th December 2012[/editline] I don't like their leader for sure, though

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38787351]it's open water the whalers have no authority there either, heck they're actually banned from quite a lot of places they still go. and uh wasnt it the sea shepherd ship that got rammed and sunk by a whaler rather than the other way around? and you can't compare shooting to a tiny boat attempting to ram a huge one, especially when it never happened in the first place. well frankly i dont care about the authority, if i saw someone torturing a dog i would stop them but i'm not animal control am i? you realize that's what this is about right? people torturing to death animals, not just animals but one of the smartest species on the planet.[/QUOTE] That's how I heard it too, SS got rammed, not the other way around, makes sense too, what damage would that tiny ass fiber glass batman boat do to a whaler ship.

[QUOTE=TestECull;38787275]Nice comparison....Hah! I can't say that straight facedly. Let's see here. 1: Sea Shepherd is a group of [b]private citizens.[/b] They do not have any authority over anyone. They do not have any governmental permission to do anything they do. I can guarantee you they'd be hauled off to jail within fifteen minutes if they attacked crab fisherman off the eastern seaboard the same way they attack whalers. Those park rangers, however, are employed by the government to enforce the laws. They are the authorities. They are granted the power to enforce anti-poaching laws on the savannah, that is their job. They are basically police officers. 2: Those park rangers give the poachers a chance or two to stop poaching before they shoot. They don't 'shoot on sight'..well they aren't supposed to anyway. Sea Shepherd, however, does 'shoot on sight'. They don't give the whalers any chances, they just ram them. 3: Those park rangers have the necessary authority to do what they do. [i]Again, they are official government law enforcement. They are the authorities.[/i] By your logic we should get rid of street cops, too, right? After all if you break the law they show up and force you to give up your freedom, that makes them terrorists by your logic.[/QUOTE] When have sea shepherd rammed a whaler ship? [editline]11th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TestECull;38787209]No, they don't deserve any respect at all. They deserve to be locked up right alongside the illegal whalers they crusade against. I don't give half a flying fuck what their justification is, sinking civilian ships just is not right. It's reckless. They're going to kill innocent sailors that board these ships solely so they can pay for their family's bills. They're eco-terrorists, nothing more. They make it difficult for honest, law-abiding conservationists to be taken seriously. They do more damage than would be done if they didn't do a fucking thing. They have no business on the open ocean and need to be locked up like the criminals they are. I've got nothing against a group that patrols the ocean and calls in the appropriate authorities when they spot an illegal whaler. That's just fine, such a group would be looking out for the interests of whales without needlessly endangering innocent lives. If this was Sea Shepherd's MO I wouldn't think negatively of them at all. But I do have something against self-righteous assholes that think they're above the law and are entitled to sink ships simply because they can, all while using the "BAWW THINK OF THE WHALES" justification to somehow escape punishment. It's sickening. Heh.[/QUOTE] They haven't even sunk, or tried to sink any ships with fishermen on them. All they do is try and obstruct the rotors with their rope thingy so they can't track the whales, and throw acidic crap on their ships so the whalers can't get on deck because of the stench, and thus can't kill any whales.

There were a few contact made between whalers and sea shepherd. Most of them were harmless thumps. The ady gil collision being the worst of all. Then there was the time Paul put the bow of the Steve Irwin into the stern of a harpoon ship as it was transferring a whale. The other collisions happened because two ships got too close. Like the time the harpoon ships were circling one of SS ships, so they tried to run the gap, and one of the whalers had to cut hard right to miss them but ended up slamming sides together. Which tore a hole in the side of sea sheps ship. The whaling ships are a lot stronger than SS ships, and they will always win a game of chicken.