If that theory is true, we should find a white hole somewhere in our universe.
But I doubt it. Shouldn't there be more mass coming through the hole as time goes by?
[QUOTE=Elexar;21380838]The current (best?) theory about the creation of our universe is an orb of pure energy transformed into matter, and that sounds way more plausible to me than that we've had a warp through a black hole.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck is pure energy and how is it different from impure energy
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;21382677][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Zl1S4.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Now you're thinking with portals.
[QUOTE=crazyjames;21379527]thats actually kinda cool so instead of being crushed to death we would go to a different universe.... huh...[/QUOTE]
you wouldn't be crushed to death but rather pulled apart into a long string of atoms because when you are closing in you legs are in a area with much higher gravitation than your head, so you'd be split in half until you are a string of atoms flying towards the center
[quote]Poplawski proposes that the bursts may be discharges of matter from alternate universes. The matter, he says, might be escaping into our universe through supermassive black holes-wormholes-at the hearts of those galaxies, though it's not clear how that would be possible.[/quote]
Fuck entropy.
[QUOTE=DrLuke;21382958]you wouldn't be crushed to death but rather pulled apart into a long string of atoms because when you are closing in you legs are in a area with much higher gravitation than your head, so you'd be split in half until you are a string of atoms flying towards the center[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that supposedly, time slows down the closer you are to the center of a black whole.
Falling into a black hole would be like being in hell, an eternity of torture.
[QUOTE=Zoo;21379720]I hate when philosophical hypotheses are searched for. Sure, one can make it sound plausible, but the odds of some hypothesis that one just composed from nothing being correct is very slim.
This is a very non-researched statement, but a lot of great theories that have become laws were discovered, not thought-up. A few examples would be the echo from the big bang (may still be a theory, not sure) and Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity (I hope to god it is a law by now, why shouldn't it?).[/QUOTE]
Theories don't become laws, they coexist. That's why there is the law of gravity (you fall down) and the theory of gravity (distortion of spacetime).
[QUOTE=Robber;21384622]Theories don't become laws, they coexist. That's why there is the law of gravity (you fall down) and the theory of gravity (distortion of spacetime).[/QUOTE]
You're right, because no laws can be completely proven. Nothing we know is proven, it is only "understood".
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;21383978]Not to mention that supposedly, time slows down the closer you are to the center of a black whole.
Falling into a black hole would be like being in hell, an eternity of torture.[/QUOTE]
Time indeed slows down, but only from another observer's viewpoint. You always think your time is passing at an ordinary rate. So you could orbit a black hole for a while, aging only one year in the process, but notice upon your return that everyone you ever knew has been long dead.
I always thought of black holes like a puncture in our dimension, to another. Like on a peice of paper in a stack. If we were 2D "flatlanders", and one of us fell in a hole in the paper, we would end up on another peice of paper in the stack.
[QUOTE=Sigfig;21385752]I always thought of black holes like a puncture in our dimension, to another. Like on a peice of paper in a stack. If we were 2D "flatlanders", and one of us fell in a hole in the paper, we would end up on another peice of paper in the stack.[/QUOTE]
The problem with this, just like most school book attempts at explaining gravity and black holes, is that it's explaining gravity with gravity.
Gravity does not always pull "downwards". It pulls in the direction of mass. There's no reason why the flatlanders would fall through the hole in the paper; there is no gravity downwards. All gravity in that system should be in the direction of the hole for the analogy to make any sense at all. So they would fall towards the hole.
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This is silly. Why would gravity pull anything [i]away[/i] from the black hole?
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This is correct
Just a quick question, Would a white hole be a large mass of dark energy?
On topic: I find this hard to believe, due to the fact that the gravity in a black hole is strong enough to destroy whole star systems.
Would it not just break down the matter before it got to the other universe, causing it to come out as energy?
A hypothesis without a means of accurately testing is useless.
[QUOTE=Pepin;21386063]A hypothesis without a means of accurately testing is useless.[/QUOTE]
But it's a start :D
Thats kinda like saying "black holes may have the burning desire to preform fellatio on unsuspecting men".
For all we know they [i]could[/i], but that doesnt mean they do.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;21385887]The problem with this, just like most school book attempts at explaining gravity and black holes, is that it's explaining gravity with gravity.
Gravity does not always pull "downwards". It pulls in the direction of mass. There's no reason why the flatlanders would fall through the hole in the paper; there is no gravity downwards. All gravity in that system should be in the direction of the hole for the analogy to make any sense at all. So they would fall towards the hole.
[IMG]http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/18/gravitywrong.png[/IMG]
This is silly. Why would gravity pull anything [I]away[/I] from the black hole?
[IMG]http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7007/gravitycorrect.png[/IMG]
This is correct[/QUOTE]
From a 2D standpoint a 2D black hole does indeed attract in all directions, dumping matter down a level in three dimensions. One can only imagine a 3D black hole does the same in four dimensions.
:psyboom:
[QUOTE=Pepin;21386063]A hypothesis without a means of accurately testing is useless.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, yeah, Occams razor, I know...
But, if we study the cosmos and through scientfic knowledge build up theories, we might some day be able to test it.
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what the fuck
Black Hole = wormhole theory?
[QUOTE=Tyler_Durden;21390924]Black Hole = wormhole theory?[/QUOTE]
I thought wormholes only let you travel in the same universe.
Heh, the funny part of this is that this is how most theories started. Some absurd theory that no one believes and seems to be against what everyone thinks and it turns out to be true. Ideas are constantly changing and this could turn out to be true.
So we could be living inside a gigantic black hole...
Woah.
It sounds like an awfully foolish theory to me.
It's far more logical to analyse black holes based on what we already know about them and draw the conclusion that, at a specific point, the extreme gravitational force can be reversed, effectively spewing matter to the far corners of the universe. That would dictate that the universe we presently reside in could have lived an infinite number of lives, perpetually collapsing and re-establishing itself. I generally dislike this concept of matter leapfrogging around the heavens as a weak explanation for where our universe came from. If the matter in our universe came from a larger, parent universe, the parent would have to either A: existed eternally, or B: borrowed its matter from larger parent that subsequently did the same.
There are far more creative (and even logical) ways to conceptualise alternate realities.
[QUOTE=Jessesmith1;21379528]so wait if we're in a black hole ourselves...
could we just disappear at any minute if that black hole were to die?[/QUOTE]
No, we'd be cut off from gaining new building blocks, and instead of having "infinite" building blocks, it'll be finite.
It is just a theory, and not a new one nonetheless.
So the dark matter that is sucked into our black hole is what is causing our universe to expand theoretically, correct?
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;21394853]So the dark matter that is sucked into our black hole is what is causing our universe to expand theoretically, correct?[/QUOTE] No, that is still the big bang's work. This theory is just trying to figure out what came before the big bang. Seeing as we have laws preventing the creation and destruction of energy, we can not just have a big bang out of nowhere. Yet there are other universes with other laws that may say that it can. So in that universe, spontaneous matter creation may be the reason for all of existence.
And the you have to think where all the shit in the first universe came from.
Fuck this hurts :saddowns:
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