[QUOTE=JDK721;22434731]not really
stop making baseless claims
are you saying they were justified in shooting the people in the van?[/QUOTE]
I'm saying it wasn't an attack perpetrated by a blood thirsty human, just a human who doesn't want insurgents to win and go murder more buddies. He acted too fast and all that, but gosh can you blame him?
[QUOTE=JDK721;22434731]not really
stop making baseless claims
are you saying they were justified in shooting the people in the van?
[editline]03:10AM[/editline]
yeah, shooting unarmed people who were trying to evacuate the wounded. they really were a threat.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the pilot had no way to know the people inside the van were unarmed. Just sayin'.
We should just pull out shit is getting more and more fucked up every day and the longer we stay there it seems the more 'Mistakes' like this happen. I don't think the pilots are in wrong and shouldn't be punished they were just doing what they were supposed to and from the video it did look like they had aks but I didn't see a rpg at all. This is war of course innocent lives are going to be lost you just have to decide if these innocents are dieing in vain or for an actual cause
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434759]I'm saying it wasn't an attack perpetrated by a blood thirsty human, just a human who doesn't want insurgents to win and go murder more buddies. He acted too fast and all that, but gosh can you blame him?[/QUOTE]
yes, I can blame them because they shot people who were just trying to help the injured people.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434676]You're making your side look like a bunch of 13 year old's who throws fits when they can't think of a good argument.[/QUOTE]
You're a joke.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22434767]Actually, the pilot had no way to know the people inside the van were unarmed. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
so your logic is, "well I don't know if he's UNARMED so I'll just shoot him."
they were trying to HELP THE WOUNDED. they weren't aiming anything at anyone or wielding anything.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22434767]Actually, the pilot had no way to know the people inside the van were unarmed. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
Pretty logical to think someone helping suspected insurgents is armed/an insurgent themselves...
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434711]How does the fact matter when we're arguing about whether what they did was right or not?[/QUOTE]
Yet another response that only warrants a sigh of disgust and disappointment.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434794]Pretty logical to think someone helping suspected insurgents is armed/an insurgent themselves...[/QUOTE]
Firing without intel.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;22434777]You're a joke.[/QUOTE]
Fuck off, neither side here is winning, in fact your's is LOSING, so you're the joke.
My real question is why the fuck were those dudes just standing in the middle of the street. If I was them no matter what if I was walking around iraq and a helicopter was flying over me I would look for cover.
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;22434797]Yet another response that only warrants a sigh of disgust and disappointment.[/QUOTE]
I might kill myself you're so dense.
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Surely JDK you understand what I was getting at.
[editline]12:16AM[/editline]
T2L knows, that's for sure.
[QUOTE=-=killazebra=-;22434806]My real question is why the fuck were those dudes just standing in the middle of the street. If I was them no matter what if I was walking around iraq and a helicopter was flying over me I would look for cover.[/QUOTE]
Attack helicopters are generally far away. I believe someone determined it to be 3km away.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434794]Pretty logical to think someone helping suspected insurgents is armed/an insurgent themselves...[/QUOTE]
lol
yeah, so some civilian couldn't possibly see a bunch of shot people lying on the ground and stop to help them? in a very busy and crowded area?
this was in Baghdad
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22434767]Actually, the pilot had no way to know the people inside the van were unarmed. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
Guilty until proven innocent. I like it.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22434731]
yeah, shooting unarmed people who were trying to evacuate the wounded. they really were a threat.[/QUOTE]
They had no idea those people were unarmed. They thought that the vehicle had weapons in it as well. They got the orders from command to take it out.
Stop acting like the helicopter pilot had time to review this shit. He was seeing all this on a tiny screen, and was not able to rewind or look back in the video to.
There was a unit coming down the road and he had to take care of these guys because he thought they were going to cause harm to the ground troops who were on their way.
[QUOTE=IStanI;22434799]Firing without intel.[/QUOTE]
Well from what I know there was a battle going on not too far from there so those people were in a hot zone any one carrying a weapon would be considered a insurgent and they were carrying weapons.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434803]Fuck off, neither side here is winning, in fact your's is LOSING, so you're the joke.[/QUOTE]
Keep telling yourself that and maybe it will be true
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434809]I might kill myself you're so dense.[/QUOTE]
Do us a favor.
[QUOTE=-=killazebra=-;22434844]Well from what I know there was a battle going on not too far from there so those people were in a hot zone any one carrying a weapon would be considered a insurgent and they were carrying weapons.[/QUOTE]
Except they weren't carrying weapons
So there's that
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;22434846]Keep telling yourself that and maybe it will be true[/QUOTE]
"I know they have guns cuz i can sit and watch a video for hours, whereas they had a few seconds to decide, life or death, WHY THE FUCK COULDN'T THOSE RETARDS KNOW THEY DIDN'T HAVE GUNS? Sure they looked like guns, but if you PAUSE THE VIDEO it was obviously a camera."
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;22434860]Except they weren't carrying weapons
So there's that[/QUOTE]
Fits perfectly with my quote, thanks!
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;22434860]Except they weren't carrying weapons
So there's that[/QUOTE]
There were dudes with aks you can clearly see one dude carrying a Ak in the video. I didnt see any RPGs but I definitely saw a AK
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434867]"I know they have guns cuz i can sit and watch a video for hours, whereas they had a few seconds to decide, life or death, WHY THE FUCK COULDN'T THOSE RETARDS KNOW THEY DIDN'T HAVE GUNS? Sure they looked like guns, but if you PAUSE THE VIDEO it was obviously a camera."[/QUOTE]
we're talking about the van incident
how can you defend that
[QUOTE=JDK721;22434883]we're talking about the van incident
how can you defend that[/QUOTE]
Can't, it was an accident, it happens.
[QUOTE=-=killazebra=-;22434877]There were dudes with aks you can clearly see one dude carrying a Ak in the video. I didnt see any RPGs but I definitely saw a AK[/QUOTE]
Why are we back on them? We were talking about the clearly unarmed people who stopped to help the wounded. Regardless of whether the others were armed there's no justification for that.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;22434825]They had no idea those people were unarmed. They thought that the vehicle had weapons in it as well. They got the orders from command to take it out.[/QUOTE]
so it's innocent until proven guilty now? some unrelated civilian couldn't possibly see a bunch of people who were shot and lying on the ground, and decide to stop and help them?
Though, you can't just say that you wouldn't suspect the van to be of malicious intent, if you were in their position anyway, eh?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434902]Can't, it was an accident, it happens.[/QUOTE]
no shit it happens, but you were defending them.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22434913]so it's innocent until proven guilty now? some unrelated civilian couldn't possibly see a bunch of people who were shot and lying on the ground, and decide to stop and help them?[/QUOTE]
Lol, you lost, if they got an order from command they had no choice. End argument.
[editline]12:21AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=JDK721;22434923]no shit it happens, but you were defending them.[/QUOTE]
I was defending their actions on the group of people ;(
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;22434904]Why are we back on them? We were talking about the clearly unarmed people who stopped to help the wounded. Regardless of whether the others were armed there's no justification for that.[/QUOTE]
Well like people said before the pilot had no way of knowing what they had in that van and there were solders coming down the road so he was killing insurgents who could of harmed solders in his mind. But like I said earlier its war innocents die just have to be sure they dont die in vain
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