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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22435125]"hey look a van that's helping insurgents, could be terrorists, my friends are down the street and these people are known to car bomb...i wonder....hm"[/QUOTE] So every single car in Iraq is a car bomb now and being in one is an offense punishable by death? They were treating the wounded. There was not a single thing they did that gave a reasonable justification for them to be fired on.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22435125]"hey look a van that's helping insurgents, could be terrorists, my friends are down the street and these people are known to car bomb...i wonder....hm"[/QUOTE] if their intent was to blow up the van WHY WOULD THEY STOP TO PICK UP CASUALTIES excersize just one neuron of brain power, jesus christ
[QUOTE=JDK721;22435126]we're talking about the VAN INCIDENT there was absolutely nothing to indicate they were a threat. and no, treating the wounded isn't grounds to shoot them.[/QUOTE] Here let me try to end this argument, okay? Shooting the van was bad, it was overreacting, and he shouldn't have just plain opened fire. However, you cannot deny that the van was a POTENTIAL threat, but still, gunner overreacted.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22435133]You said I was making a nuisance in Israel threads, and then I said I never did...?[/QUOTE] That's not what I said at all. Re read my post.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22435103]oh go sodomize a walrus honor is a completely meaningless word this was not caution, this was "hey look a van that's helping injured people MUST BE TERRERISTS SHOOT EM DEAD SUNNY BOY[/QUOTE] DO you relieze how many times our solders have let insurgents go because of situations like this then they go down the street with a bomb strapped to their chest and not only kill our solders but also many more innocent civilians. Knowing this how could you not see the pilots haste to take them out and seeing how there was a convoy heading down the road he was pressured. Stop trying to make this solder seem like a murderer, it was a honest mistake.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22435150]Here let me try to end this argument, okay? Shooting the van was bad, it was overreacting, and he shouldn't have just plain opened fire. However, you cannot deny that the van was a POTENTIAL threat, but still, gunner overreacted.[/QUOTE] So why did you just try to justify it
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22435149]if their intent was to blow up the van WHY WOULD THEY STOP TO PICK UP CASUALTIES excersize just one neuron of brain power, jesus christ[/QUOTE] You see, I knew someone would mention that, do you think the gunner had all the time you did to think that rebuttal?
While I can understand the gunner shooting the initial group, there was no reason to shoot the van. While it's true that there could have been armed people inside, they should have atleast waited for a sign of guns inside the van before opening fire. They were simply trying to get him to a hospital and being a terrorist does not revoke your right to medical treatment if you're hit. [B]Edited to make the paragraph longer.[/B]
Uhh. Yes we can. And are.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22435150]Here let me try to end this argument, okay? Shooting the van was bad, it was overreacting, and he shouldn't have just plain opened fire. However, you cannot deny that the van was a POTENTIAL threat, but still, gunner overreacted.[/QUOTE] potential threat doesn't equal grounds to open fire anything can be a potential threat
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;22435163]So why did you just try to justify it[/QUOTE] Because people act like it was some TOTALLY uncalled for attack, where it was out there, it definitely wasn't out of random.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22435174]potential threat doesn't equal grounds to open fire anything can be a potential threat[/QUOTE] Potential threat while a convoy of soldeers is heading down the road does intitle open fire you seem to forget there was a FUCKING CONVOY heading down the road so of course anything seen as hostile was taken out. Maybe you should watch the video again
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22435167]You see, I knew someone would mention that, do you think the gunner had all the time you did to think that rebuttal?[/QUOTE] Are you honestly telling me that that's not something immediately apparent to you?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22435207]Are you honestly telling me that that's not something immediately apparent to you?[/QUOTE] Are you honestly telling me that just because you've had all the unstressed time in the world to think about something means that they should've too? Or are you that insecure about your brain.
[QUOTE=-=killazebra=-;22435201]Potential threat while a convoy of soldeers is heading down the road does intitle open fire you seem to forget there was a FUCKING CONVOY heading down the road so of course anything seen as hostile was taken out. Maybe you should watch the video again[/QUOTE] Oh so now it's a crime worthy of death to be within a certain proximity of soldiers when they're [I]occupying your city.[/I] [editline]07:40AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22435213]Are you honestly telling me that just because you've had all the unstressed time in the world to think about something means that they should've too? Or are you that insecure about your brain.[/QUOTE] what For anybody who is even relatively intelligent it's an immediately apparent fact that, if they were going to car bomb the soldiers, [I]they wouldn't have stopped to pick up casualties.[/I] Anyone who's not dumb as a post could see this, this isn't something that takes hours of video analyzation to figure out.
Hmm, what exactly would they had done with the truck if they let it go? Followed it, or just ignored it, or what?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22435207]Are you honestly telling me that that's not something immediately apparent to you?[/QUOTE] Ok put your self in this situation you are in iraq in a hot zone you see a man walking toward you with a AK and he isn't american would you shoot him? DOn't even lie everyone would say yes but for all you knew that man could of been a innocent civilian just walking around with a gun. THIS IS WAR PEOPLE it doesnt matter you have a weapon you are considered a combatant if you stop to help out these alleged combatants you are considered one your self.
Hey, maybe we should mention the part where the gunner lets off some rockets into a building on a busy street with pedestrians walking by only to accidentally kill more civilians. Justify that?
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;22435257]Hey, maybe we should mention the part where the gunner lets off some rockets into a building on a busy street with pedestrians walking by only to accidentally kill more civilians. Justify that?[/QUOTE] ...what video are you watching?
[QUOTE=-=killazebra=-;22435255]Ok put your self in this situation you are in iraq in a hot zone you see a man walking toward you with a AK and he isn't american would you shoot him? DOn't even lie everyone would say yes but for all you knew that man could of been a innocent civilian just walking around with a gun. THIS IS WAR PEOPLE it doesnt matter you have a weapon you are considered a combatant if you stop to help out these alleged combatants you are considered one your self.[/QUOTE] holy fuck that is the worst analogy i have ever learned you should feel bad for thinking of that
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22435268]...what video are you watching?[/QUOTE] That's from the full video actually. And I'm pretty sure they hit the building because they saw guys with weapons enter it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22435215]Oh so now it's a crime worthy of death to be within a certain proximity of soldiers when they're [I]occupying your city.[/I] [/QUOTE] No but carrying weapons is and they had weapons. The people in van could have been carrying weapons too No matter what you say anyone would of done the same in his situation and seeing how there were attacks IN THAT SAME AREA NOT TOO LONG BEFORE THIS HAPPAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DUNNO HOW MUCH MORE I CAN STRESS TAHT!!!!!! this solder acted to the best of his abilities. Those people knew the risk of being in a hot zone and well this is what happens
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22435268]...what video are you watching?[/QUOTE] uh, the other part of the video? are you telling me you didn't even all of the released footage?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22434513]It was sarcasm about how he's treating it like the worst thing ever, and they looked like they had weapons, watch the video, read the 2 threads with 50 pages on it, conclusion: looked like they had weapons.[/QUOTE] They shouldn't be shooting at everyone who looks like they have weapons until they identify the person or the person shoots at them first.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22435289]holy fuck that is the worst analogy i have ever learned you should feel bad for thinking of that[/QUOTE] Not really because our solders have to think about this EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;22435295]That's from the full video actually. And I'm pretty sure they hit the building because they saw guys with weapons enter it.[/QUOTE] I never did go out of my way to go watch the rest of the video, I pretty much had forgotten there WAS a bigger longer version.
[QUOTE=-=killazebra=-;22435296]No but carrying weapons is and they had weapons. The people in van could have been carrying weapons too No matter what you say anyone would of done the same in his situation and seeing how there were attacks IN THAT SAME AREA NOT TOO LONG BEFORE THIS HAPPAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DUNNO HOW MUCH MORE I CAN STRESS TAHT!!!!!! this solder acted to the best of his abilities. Those people knew the risk of being in a hot zone and well this is what happens[/QUOTE] did your mom give you too many pixy sticks or something? calm down skippy.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22435305]uh, the other part of the video? are you telling me you didn't even all of the released footage?[/QUOTE] He never fired a rocket it was all the cannon if he fired a rocket it would of been over a lot quicker lolol
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22435305]uh, the other part of the video? are you telling me you didn't even all of the released footage?[/QUOTE] Oh dear god I didn't feel like watching a 30 minute video.
[QUOTE=-=killazebra=-;22435296]No but carrying weapons is and they had weapons. The people in van could have been carrying weapons too No matter what you say anyone would of done the same in his situation and seeing how there were attacks IN THAT SAME AREA NOT TOO LONG BEFORE THIS HAPPAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DUNNO HOW MUCH MORE I CAN STRESS TAHT!!!!!! this solder acted to the best of his abilities. Those people knew the risk of being in a hot zone and well this is what happens[/QUOTE] I can't even I just... please tell me you're trolling. Please tell me this is all a horrible joke. HA HA HA HA HA, YOU ARE FUNNY, SIR.
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