• Quebec to ban all Sikh children wearing turbans from playing soccer
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[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40917604]I have a problem with that. Nobody in Toronto acts like an asshole if someone comes up and starts speaking French to them, they just say they don't understand, so why do people act like assholes there if you don't speak French when you don't know any and don't want to be misinterpreted?[/QUOTE] As I said there was a history of the French Canadians being institutionally discriminated against within their own province by English-speaking companies and organizations. There's a lot of older people who still remember those days and I guess their kids might also pick up on the same mindset as well. It's not really a justified attitude anymore since those problems are mostly gone, but it's origins are understandable.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;40917742]As I said there was a history of the French Canadians being institutionally discriminated against within their own province by English-speaking companies and organizations. There's a lot of older people who still remember those days and I guess their kids might also pick up on the same mindset as well. It's not really a justified attitude anymore since those problems are mostly gone, but it's origins are understandable.[/QUOTE] It also doesn't justify them trying to institutionally discriminate against anglophones nowadays. It's one of the reasons that I feel the Notwithstanding clause needs to be removed from the Charter, it's all that keeps Quebec's language laws afloat, else they'd be unconstitutional. That's also why it'll never be removed from the Charter, Quebec wouldn't allow it.
They don't institutionally discriminate, any discrimination is done on a personal level by individual dicks. Exception being this turban crap, of course. But that's against Sikh culture, not anglophones.
Same thing they tried to do with Quebec courts. They said that "objects like turbans etc. would be banned in courts, but things like a small cross necklace would be alright"
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;40917791]They don't institutionally discriminate, any discrimination is done on a personal level by individual dicks. Exception being this turban crap, of course. But that's against Sikh culture, not anglophones.[/QUOTE] All communication within the government (S16, 17), and most communication to/by the government (S21, 22), must be done in French, all internal communication with employees by a business must be done in French (S41), and anyone whose parents don't speak English must go to a French school (S73), they have no choice. The law is discriminatory. [url]http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=2&file=/C_11/C11_A.html[/url]
I live in quebec since I was 9 and I dislike other provinces since they pretty much hate us because well, I don't know, why the hell do you even hate quebec? Personally I think it's the best place to be in because you gotta learn english and french, mcgill is best uni in canada and the [U]cheapest[/U]. [editline]6th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;40917929]All communication within the government (S16, 17), and most communication to/by the government (S21, 22), must be done in French, all internal communication with employees by a business must be done in French (S41), and anyone whose parents don't speak English must go to a French school (S73), they have no choice. The law is discriminatory. [url]http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=2&file=/C_11/C11_A.html[/url][/QUOTE] There are plenty of kids who go to english schools, also learning french isn't a problem for immigrants, most of them rely on french when they come here.
[QUOTE=wanksta11;40917974]I live in quebec since I was 9 and I dislike other provinces since they pretty much hate us because well, I don't know, why the hell do you even hate quebec?[/quote] Separatists and arrogance are the 2 biggest reasons. [quote]you gotta learn english and french,[/quote] While it's stupid not to learn English, by loi 101, you only need to know French there. [quote]mcgill is best uni in canada[/quote] No, UofT is, and I don't even go there. [quote]and the [U]cheapest[/U].[/quote] Only if you're from Quebec or France. Seriously, French citizens get cheaper rates at Quebec universities than the rest of Canada, another load of bullshit, and another reason for the rest of the country to be pissed off at Quebec. [quote]There are plenty of kids who go to english schools[/QUOTE] And by Loi 101, their parents were all English speakers and went to Canadian English schools. Marois also wants to restrict that even more, so if you didn't go to an English school [I]in Quebec[/I], neither can your kids, meaning if you move there from Ontario your kids would have to go to an all-French school, you wouldn't have the option of sending them to an English school. [quote]also learning french isn't a problem for immigrants, most of them rely on french when they come here.[/quote] Yes, a lot who move to Quebec are from French-African/Caribbean countries, and most want their kids to learn English and move to Alberta to get a job, but they can't because their kids are banned from going to English schools.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40917929]All communication within the government (S16, 17), and most communication to/by the government (S21, 22), must be done in French, all internal communication with employees by a business must be done in French (S41), and anyone whose parents don't speak English must go to a French school (S73), they have no choice. The law is discriminatory. [url]http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=2&file=/C_11/C11_A.html[/url][/QUOTE] OK, now find me the the law that states that teachers and employers in every other province must use english as the official language. It just stands to reason that a business in vancouver wouldnt be able to hire only cantonese-speaking employees and use that as it's only supported language.
That's a measure you HAVE to implement if you don't want to be assimilated. Being a small island french of people in this big north english america is not a cup of tea.
this is such a sikh thing to do.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40918070]Separatists and arrogance are the 2 biggest reasons. [/QUOTE] Separatism is dead here and was at its peak in the 80s also the french are only arrogant because Britain did try to assimilate all of the french in the 1850s and failed considerably, it's like the people in the Vancouver area who are feeling threatened by all the chinese/asian population.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;40918093]OK, now find me the the law that states that teachers and employers in every other province must use english as the official language. It just stands to reason that a business in vancouver wouldnt be able to hire only cantonese-speaking employees and use that as it's only supported language.[/QUOTE] That's the thing, there isn't one anywhere else that says they can only hire based off English across the whole province, and you can have a French only business in Vancouver, because [quote=Charter]Official Languages of Canada 16. (1) English and French are the official languages of Canada and have equality of status and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the Parliament and government of Canada.[/quote] This is why you can demand someone know English or French, and it also is why a business in Vancouver can't use Cantonese as its official language, but it could use French, it just so happens that in most other provinces they don't have a law that says you can't fire someone for not speaking English, and the charter technically recognizes full bilingualism of New Brunswick only, and I'm not sure if NB has any provincial laws about business or governmental dealings in whatever languages. However, I've never heard of an "English Language Charter" like Bill 101 being drafted in any province the same way the French Language Charter has in Quebec. It's not that every other government mandates everyone in their province speak English, it's just that they don't tell businesses they can't make that choice themselves. Quebec is the only province to demand that a business require their workers speak French, by barring them from making it a requirement that they speak another language.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40918235]That's the thing, there isn't one anywhere else that says they can only hire based off English across the whole province, and you can have a French only business in Vancouver, because [/QUOTE] Canada is a bilingual country where the majority knows one language. Quebec is a unilingual province where the majority knows two language. It's not the same, the situation is not the same, you can't apply the same rule, if Quebec did what you wanted it'd become english in 10 years top. and it clearly doesn't want to.
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;40918366]Canada is a bilingual country Quebec is a unilingual province[/QUOTE] And that's the constitutional discrepancy. I take contention with the government of Quebec thinking they have more authority over their province than other provinces get. And last I checked, Cajun culture is still very alive in Louisiana, despite them not enacting laws trying to preserve the French language there, and Quebec still speaks French and maintains its culture even after attempts at forced assimilation by the British, and despite no language laws existing until the '70s. As for this [quote]and it clearly doesn't want to.[/quote] Why not put it to referendum?
Funny that in practice we are still more bilingual than the ROC. Oh discrepancy. Also pushing bilingualism was a clever plan by Trudeau I must admit. [QUOTE=The golden;40918426]How does Quebec respond to this? Ban English schools. Ban English in businesses and retailers. Hire "French Language Police" (despite the fact we have bi-language equality, which YOU asked for), and tons more on top of throwing more temper tantrums of separation.[/QUOTE] That's pure bullshit. Try getting a job in Montreal or any place where there is an English community if you don't know English. English is permitted on commercial banners it's just got to be 1/4 smaller than what's written in French.
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;40918637] English is permitted on commercial banners it's just got to be 1/4 smaller than what's written in French.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make anything much better. Quebec receives so much benefits from English speaking Canada and yet it cracks down on the English language and businesses. Attacking English businesses and descriminating against English people while accepting billions in equalization is not a good way to boost popularity.
[QUOTE=The golden;40918724]Lololololol Exactly. And you wonder why we don't like Quebec. You ask for language equality and then take a steaming shit all over it once you get it. There are French Canadians that have died fighting for bilingual equality and what Quebec is doing today is just an insult to those people as well as the rest of the country.[/QUOTE] Only 25% smaller but the English are only 10% of the population of Quebec. You are blowing this out of proportion. You're exactly the same thing as a rich white guy claiming reverse racism or claiming sexism.
[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;40917337]According to my father whose been to Canada several times, he told me the people there are really stuck up and more or less assholes to anyone who isn't from Quebec. While in Toronto for a month he said the people there hate French Canada because of the same reason, may not be that reason but who knows.[/QUOTE] Quebec (the actual name) sounds like a very stuck up thing.
[QUOTE=dass;40918821]Quebec (the actual name) sounds like a very stuck up thing.[/QUOTE] Stadaconé sounds better right ? Kanata also.
i live in montreal, the quebecois are cunts [editline]6th June 2013[/editline] oUEH
[QUOTE=wanksta11;40917974]I live in quebec since I was 9 and I dislike other provinces since they pretty much hate us because well, I don't know, why the hell do you even hate quebec? Personally I think it's the best place to be in because you gotta learn english and french, mcgill is best uni in canada and the [U]cheapest[/U]. [/QUOTE] I doubt it'll be cheapest for long while simultaneously being the best. Unfortunately one of those is going to give. I mean, its already dropping spots in the rankings (if anyone here actually cares about them) and with the tuition hike sort of freeze combined with the government cutting of school budgets there's no way it'll be able to hold its place.
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;40918771]Only 25% smaller but the English are only 10% of the population of Quebec. You are blowing this out of proportion. You're exactly the same thing as a rich white guy claiming reverse racism or claiming sexism.[/QUOTE] Except you don't see Ontario trying to tell its 500,000 Francophones/1.2 million French (4.1%) that they absolutely have to learn English, have to send their children to English schools, or that they are not allowed to run a French business.
first the sikhs and next, [t]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_11Ys6wmW_BM/THnUaC-w4SI/AAAAAAAABOk/8OFM0lctAaE/s1600/Hapoel+Soccer.jpg[/t] the jews i hope this doesn't come off as horribly racist, but seriously they probably could ban these next [editline]5th June 2013[/editline] [t]http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/800_96zym6aiiirdyjttbxtd3kbvc9gpiv2w.jpg[/t] so now these are banned by fifa?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40918885]Except you don't see Ontario trying to tell its 500,000 Francophones/1.2 million French (4.1%) that they absolutely have to learn English, have to send their children to English schools, or that they are not allowed to run a French business.[/QUOTE] Because they don't have to protect themselves from English being right at their door. The French of Ontario will never even threaten the status of English in Ontario. You don't want to, or maybe you just don't understand that the basic premises are not the same for the French in Quebec. [QUOTE=markfu;40918875]I doubt it'll be cheapest for long while simultaneously being the best. Unfortunately one of those is going to give. I mean, its already dropping spots in the rankings (if anyone here actually cares about them) and with the tuition hike sort of freeze combined with the government cutting of school budgets there's no way it'll be able to hold its place.[/QUOTE] Yeah because everyone knows right? More tuition fees equals better education. fact of life. Don't talk about denmark, finland, germany, france whos fees are non-existent or really small in comparison of Quebec. I just hope that the average international user can understand the particular situation of Quebec more than you fellow ROC'ers.
[QUOTE=The golden;40919080]Quebec is one of the most politically powerful and influence provinces in the country. I don't think your province needs defending... Meanwhile there is the entirety of western Canada which is under-represented and has no say in anything.[/QUOTE] Explain me why when the whole of Quebec frightened of a Conservative majority dropped the Bloc and mass voted for the NPD in the past federal election it did nothing to stop Harper? not a little thing. Yeah. You're under-represented and have a Majority Gvt that caters to their need specifically. Where does this false persecution complex comes from ?
Quebec is the racist Texas of Canada
[QUOTE=bull3tmagn3t;40919140]Quebec is the racist Texas of Canada[/QUOTE] That's Alberta for you sir. Get it right
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;40919155]That's Alberta for you sir. Get it right[/QUOTE] Are you referring to the tension between Canadian Natives or those who live on reserves and Albertans?
[QUOTE=bull3tmagn3t;40919175]Are you referring to the tension between Canadian Natives or those who live on reserves and Albertans?[/QUOTE] No I'm referring to Alberta's more right-wing stances and more cowboy-y attitude. I don't get why you're talking about natives? [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_reserves_in_Canada_by_population[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;40919155]That's Alberta for you sir. Get it right[/QUOTE] Quebec has more immigration restrictions and Alberta is more racially diverse surprising enough. Quebec is the one passing policies that descriminate against minorities, whether it be Arabs, Blacks or Anglophones. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naheed_Nenshi[/url] Dem racists.
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