Fresh violence in the Ukraine again. Thousands march on Parliament before being gunned down by the p
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what's happening on this stream?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4#t=1389887[/url]
God damn I hope this doesn't turn into another Syria
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43965455]RIP Ukraine
The country won't recover from these events for a loooong time[/QUOTE]
This'll hopefully lead to improvements in their political system and economics (if they EU).
Ukraine please come out of this okay. You were always my favourite post-soviet country!
Those firebombs are horrifying.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43967994]This'll hopefully lead to improvements in their political system and economics (if they EU).[/QUOTE]
They will into EU only after they do those improvements in politics and economics on their own.
The change still must come from Ukraine, which honestly I still am highly doubtful anything will happen.
Well shit. I suspect this'll turn into something similar to the other thread.
In other news: It's crazy how in literally a day or two the violence has escalated* far beyond what we saw in the last month or two all together.
*In actual shit being done. Not in size.
[QUOTE=Mr.Goodcat;43966659]God damn I hope this doesn't turn into another Syria[/QUOTE]
Considering how close Ukraine is to Russia they'll be able to get russian soldiers in quick enough to stamp this out before it gets too bad.
No one is going to help the protesters so its a losing battle from the start.
At least they have plenty of milk
[img]http://i.imgur.com/uXGQGJT.png[/img]
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;43969864]Considering how close Ukraine is to Russia they'll be able to get russian soldiers in quick enough to stamp this out before it gets too bad.
No one is going to help the protesters so its a losing battle from the start.[/QUOTE]
not to mention a lot of the more serious violence on the side of the protesters is coming from the far-right movements so not many are going to keen to 'help'
Considering nearly half of the deaths from the latest violence has been within the police, and including one pro-government journalist who was murdered.
I just hope they bring in real tanks and start moving all baricades the violent way and start seriously beat the shit out of those extremists this is going too far now. I saw video where there is one hurt/barely alive berkut soldier being taken into hostages by protesters, and instead of healing him or sending to hospital, they are forcing doctors to let them go and bring them into burning buildings to burn alive. What the fuck, I truly hope every single of these extremist dies or gets send to some kind of modern gulag.
If I could I would get a fucking military helicopter and just start spraying bullets into crowd, I wouldn't care at this point, yes I would get prosecuted, yes I would be hated, yes I would be in trouble, but idc, this shit would end fast.
P.S - Yes I support current president.
Also how the fuck current situation could not be considered as terrorist act? Technically they are trying to overtake the government by forcing entry into governmental building.
I would love to see same shit happen in US or any other EU country, would love to see what would police do then.
The protesters/extremists are not normal people, they are the poor fucks who either drink every day and do fuck all or fucked up big time in their past (not getting education or anything).
All my friends (19-24 age) finished school, successfully went to College, got a degree and now live in Ukraine wealthy and fine, they don't complain or many have moved to different country as they have the possibility.
Why the fuck does successful side of people who work and got education must suffer because of couple thousand lazy fucks.
/Rant over.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970095]I just hope they bring in real tanks and start moving all baricades the violent way and start seriously beat the shit out of those extremists this is going too far now. I saw video where there is one hurt/barely alive berkut soldier being taken into hostages by protesters, and instead of healing him or sending to hospital, they are forcing doctors to let them go and bring them into burning buildings to burn alive. What the fuck, I truly hope every single of these extremist dies or gets send to some kind of modern gulag.
If I could I would get a fucking military helicopter and just start spraying bullets into crowd, I wouldn't care at this point, yes I would get prosecuted, yes I would be hated, yes I would be in trouble, but idc, this shit would end fast.
P.S - Yes I support current president.
Also how the fuck current situation could not be considered as terrorist act? Technically they are trying to overtake the government by forcing entry into governmental building.
I would love to see same shit happen in US or any other EU country, would love to see what would police do then.
The protesters/extremists are not normal people, they are the poor fucks who either drink every day and do fuck all or fucked up big time in their past (not getting education or anything).
All my friends (19-24 age) finished school, successfully went to College, got a degree and now live in Ukraine wealthy and fine, they don't complain or many have moved to different country as they have the possibility.
Why the fuck does successful side of people who work and got education must suffer because of couple thousand lazy fucks.
/Rant over.[/QUOTE]
I don't like or agree with that.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;43969864]Considering how close Ukraine is to Russia they'll be able to get russian soldiers in quick enough to stamp this out before it gets too bad.[/QUOTE]
I serously doubt this is a possible scenario. We're in shit even now, and moving our millitary into the territory of a potential EU ally (even to prevent more violence) will just make this shit deeper for us and will spin the situation out of any control. This may even cause a start of another big war imo.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970095]/Rant over.[/QUOTE]
I have no words. I don't even know where to start.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970095]I just hope they bring in real tanks and start moving all baricades the violent way and start seriously beat the shit out of those extremists this is going too far now. I saw video where there is one hurt/barely alive berkut soldier being taken into hostages by protesters, and instead of healing him or sending to hospital, they are forcing doctors to let them go and bring them into burning buildings to burn alive. What the fuck, I truly hope every single of these extremist dies or gets send to some kind of modern gulag.
If I could I would get a fucking military helicopter and just start spraying bullets into crowd, I wouldn't care at this point, yes I would get prosecuted, yes I would be hated, yes I would be in trouble, but idc, this shit would end fast.
P.S - Yes I support current president.
Also how the fuck current situation could not be considered as terrorist act? Technically they are trying to overtake the government by forcing entry into governmental building.
I would love to see same shit happen in US or any other EU country, would love to see what would police do then.
The protesters/extremists are not normal people, they are the poor fucks who either drink every day and do fuck all or fucked up big time in their past (not getting education or anything).
All my friends (19-24 age) finished school, successfully went to College, got a degree and now live in Ukraine wealthy and fine, they don't complain or many have moved to different country as they have the possibility.
Why the fuck does successful side of people who work and got education must suffer because of couple thousand lazy fucks.
/Rant over.[/QUOTE]
I seriously hope you're jesting.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;43969864]Considering how close Ukraine is to Russia they'll be able to get russian soldiers in quick enough to stamp this out before it gets too bad.
No one is going to help the protesters so its a losing battle from the start.[/QUOTE]
And just as well Romania and Poland could send troops to make sure the native polish and romanians in Ukraine are safe, in response to Russia. The last thing Ukraine needs now is that
[QUOTE=tirpider;43970128]I don't like or agree with that.[/QUOTE]
So much for your "peoples rebellion against the corrupt government" pipe dream.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970095]I just hope they bring in real tanks and start moving all baricades the violent way and start seriously beat the shit out of those extremists this is going too far now. I saw video where there is one hurt/barely alive berkut soldier being taken into hostages by protesters, and instead of healing him or sending to hospital, they are forcing doctors to let them go and bring them into burning buildings to burn alive. What the fuck, I truly hope every single of these extremist dies or gets send to some kind of modern gulag.
If I could I would get a fucking military helicopter and just start spraying bullets into crowd, I wouldn't care at this point, yes I would get prosecuted, yes I would be hated, yes I would be in trouble, but idc, this shit would end fast.
P.S - Yes I support current president.
Also how the fuck current situation could not be considered as terrorist act? Technically they are trying to overtake the government by forcing entry into governmental building.
I would love to see same shit happen in US or any other EU country, would love to see what would police do then.
The protesters/extremists are not normal people, they are the poor fucks who either drink every day and do fuck all or fucked up big time in their past (not getting education or anything).
All my friends (19-24 age) finished school, successfully went to College, got a degree and now live in Ukraine wealthy and fine, they don't complain or many have moved to different country as they have the possibility.
Why the fuck does successful side of people who work and got education must suffer because of couple thousand lazy fucks.
/Rant over.[/QUOTE]
Are you for real or is this satire
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85WBb9xA9AI[/media]
They tried to drive through people with an APC. Did not go too well.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970095]
P.S - Yes I support current president. [/QUOTE]
Okay, so stop doing that.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;43970243]Are you for real or is this satire[/QUOTE]
I do believe he is serious.
Seriously fucked in the head.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970095]crazy loyalist shit[/QUOTE]
How's that koolaid taste?
Also, by blanket categorizing all the protesters like you are, you're defaming them. In the Ukraine right now that carries a sentence of 2 years imprisonment. Government will also probably limit your access to the internet, either by mechanical means or simply a court order. Disobeying that order or circumventing the limitation carries an $850 fine.
Oh yeah, and you don't even have to be present in court to get ruled guilty for these things. Hell, they probably don't even have to notify you.
Be glad you don't live in the Ukraine right now, dude, because you'd be in prison already.
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
Oh also saying you want to see thousands of people gunned down could even be construed as spreading extremist materials, which carries a 3 year prison sentence on its own.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;43970305]I do believe he is serious.
Seriously fucked in the head.[/QUOTE]
I am not fucked in head just because my opinions differ from yours.
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43970318]How's that koolaid taste?
Also, by blanket categorizing all the protesters like you are, you're defaming them. In the Ukraine right now that carries a sentence of 2 years imprisonment. Government will also probably limit your access to the internet, either by mechanical means or simply a court order. Disobeying that order or circumventing the limitation carries an $850 fine.
Oh yeah, and you don't even have to be present in court to get ruled guilty for these things. Hell, they probably don't even have to notify you.
Be glad you don't live in the Ukraine right now, dude, because you'd be in prison already.
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
Oh also saying you want to see thousands of people gunned down could even be construed as spreading extremist materials, which carries a 3 year prison sentence on its own.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, not government would be after, but the idiotic extremists from crowd would be, I am pretty sure if I go to ukraine now, and in crowd I say I was born in Ukraine but I left and live in Ireland now just fine, they would get to the lynching, + I am from east, which means my primary language is Russian and not pure Ukrainian you would get killed just for that, and by your logic that's normal?
Sorry but praising and admiring the mad crowd of fascists is way over the logic.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970518]I am not fucked in head just because my opinions differ from yours.[/QUOTE]
dude you fucking want lots of people to die only so that itd end faster
[QUOTE=WaRRioRTF;43970562]dude you fucking want lots of people to die only so that itd end faster[/QUOTE]
sounds like most of facepunches stance on syria..
[QUOTE=WaRRioRTF;43970562]dude you fucking want lots of people to die only so that itd end faster[/QUOTE]
How does my opinion differ from people who say and believe that: "protesters just should take guns and shoot at berkut", same fucking thing, except protesters wont get prosecuted as they will flee scene before you see it.
nobody should be shooting at anybody. period.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970518]I am not fucked in head just because my opinions differ from yours.[/QUOTE]
"fuck the protesters they're extremists burning down hospitals with police inside I hope the government goes CoD on their faces" isn't an opinion, it's a sociopathic assertion
you DO realize the first major killings and violence in all of this was started by the police, [i]including protesters being taken from hospitals, tortured, killed, and left in the woods[/i], right? That just by being in the vicinity of the major city square, people started getting mass text messages from their carriers informing them they've been marked as anti-government dissidents, essentially backing them into a corner knowing they've been named to the government and would probably be thrown in jail or flat out murdered for treason if they gave themselves up?
You don't brandish a weapon and tell someone "I'm going to fucking destroy you" then act surprised when they lash back
we can't deny both sides have been throwing punches, but I'd like to point this post out-
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43970698][url]http://vesti.ua/kiev/38221-pogib-korrespondent-vestej-vjacheslav-veremij[/url]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26258998[/url]
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-protests-police-officer-shot-dead-as-violence-continues-in-kiev-despite-concessions-9084097.html[/url]
I'm finding it odd that people are not realizing that these legitimate democratic protests are being piggybacked by large and powerful far-right and ultra-nationalist groups which often instigate the worst of the violence. Just like with Syria.
There are a lot of scum on both sides and its the normal protesters who are getting caught between them and often dying.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970095]they are the poor fucks who either drink every day and do fuck all or fucked up big time in their past (not getting education or anything)[/QUOTE]
[img]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ie.png[/img]
See, I can be a stereotyping, ignorant fuck too.
[QUOTE=dai;43971155]"fuck the protesters they're extremists burning down hospitals with police inside I hope the government goes CoD on their faces" isn't an opinion, it's a sociopathic assertion
you DO realize the first major killings and violence in all of this was started by the police, [i]including protesters being taken from hospitals, tortured, killed, and left in the woods[/i], right? That just by being in the vicinity of the major city square, people started getting mass text messages from their carriers informing them they've been marked as anti-government dissidents, essentially backing them into a corner knowing they've been named to the government and would probably be thrown in jail or flat out murdered for treason if they gave themselves up?
You don't brandish a weapon and tell someone "I'm going to fucking destroy you" then act surprised when they lash back
we can't deny both sides have been throwing punches, but I'd like to point this post out-[/QUOTE]
You said it yourself,
"You don't brandish a weapon and tell someone "I'm going to fucking destroy you" then act surprised when they lash back"
so I am saying why the fuck people and EU bitch about berkut attacking and beating shit out of people if people threw molotovs and burned berkut alive pretty much? They knew whats coming to them, why do it then, else do it and then be ready to face consequences.
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;43971191][img]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ie.png[/img]
See, I can be a stereotyping, ignorant fuck too.[/QUOTE]
Except I am not Native Irish, so you can stereotype about country as much as you wish, it does not relate to me.
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