Fresh violence in the Ukraine again. Thousands march on Parliament before being gunned down by the p
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[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970518]
Oh yeah, not government would be after, but the idiotic extremists from crowd would be, I am pretty sure if I go to ukraine now, and in crowd I say I was born in Ukraine but I left and live in Ireland now just fine, they would get to the lynching, + I am from east, which means my primary language is Russian and not pure Ukrainian you would get killed just for that, and by your logic that's normal?
Sorry but praising and admiring the mad crowd of fascists is way over the logic.[/QUOTE]
[I]What fucking logic??[/I] I stated what would probably happen to you if you lived in the Ukraine right now. Those are [I]actual laws in place right now.[/I] I'm not admiring anyone, and the only opinion in this thread I've actively opposed is yours because you somehow can't see or be assed to care that an entire country is getting its rights stripped.
Instead you said that everyone opposing the stripping of personal liberties should be [I]gunned down, in the [B]streets, [U]BY YOU.[/U][/B][/I]
Sorry but praising and admiring the ramblings of a psychopathic madman with dreams of public slaughter and genocide is way past anything I plan to do today.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;43971191][img]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ie.png[/img]
See, I can be a stereotyping, ignorant fuck too.[/QUOTE]
Thats not very nice dude, I know your only trying to make a point though.
Back to the topic at hand, It's a riot the police have every right to try to maintain order, especially when they are being shot at and burnt. A lot of the buildings adjacent to the protests are burnt out costing $$$ to repair. Even if they are fighting for a good cause behavior like that is unjustifiable on both sides.
Let's just all agree that arleitiss is fucked in the head for wanting people shot [b]in general[/b] and move on, eh?
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970095]I just hope they bring in real tanks and start moving all baricades the violent way and start seriously beat the shit out of those extremists this is going too far now. I saw video where there is one hurt/barely alive berkut soldier being taken into hostages by protesters, and instead of healing him or sending to hospital, they are forcing doctors to let them go and bring them into burning buildings to burn alive. What the fuck, I truly hope every single of these extremist dies or gets send to some kind of modern gulag.
If I could I would get a fucking military helicopter and just start spraying bullets into crowd, I wouldn't care at this point, yes I would get prosecuted, yes I would be hated, yes I would be in trouble, but idc, this shit would end fast.
P.S - Yes I support current president.
Also how the fuck current situation could not be considered as terrorist act? Technically they are trying to overtake the government by forcing entry into governmental building.
I would love to see same shit happen in US or any other EU country, would love to see what would police do then.
The protesters/extremists are not normal people, they are the poor fucks who either drink every day and do fuck all or fucked up big time in their past (not getting education or anything).
All my friends (19-24 age) finished school, successfully went to College, got a degree and now live in Ukraine wealthy and fine, they don't complain or many have moved to different country as they have the possibility.
Why the fuck does successful side of people who work and got education must suffer because of couple thousand lazy fucks.
/Rant over.[/QUOTE]
May you forever walk barefooted on a trillion Lego bricks.
a fate worse than death
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43971224]You said it yourself,
"You don't brandish a weapon and tell someone "I'm going to fucking destroy you" then act surprised when they lash back"
so I am saying why the fuck people and EU bitch about berkut attacking and beating shit out of people if people threw molotovs and burned berkut alive pretty much? They knew whats coming to them, why do it then, else do it and then be ready to face consequences.[/QUOTE]
Because if they don't they'll have their fucking rights taken away from them! people should know what's worth fighting for!
You do realize that when you become more violent with the people they become more extreme? You're advocating mass murder on your own countrymen and they're gong to do the exact same in kind. Gunning down fucking protestors 'for the greater good'? I honestly hope that the rights of society will keep you where you are. Away from any position from influence even as a club president or a manager at a donor store
Anyway, I didn't expect to see any other opininons on facepunch other than usual "police are bad guys, and protesters are good guys, let protesters kill cops - YEAH! , don't let pigs in blue kill peaceful protesters".
I just hope the next turn out of events is in following order:
EU fucks off.
Russia fucks off.
Ukraine brings out military and destroys all barricades and do mass-arrests.
Government doesn't get changed, klitchko gets blamed for raising the crowd then losing it out of his control, that idiot probably has brain damage after boxing, should've remained in boxing.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972209]Anyway, I didn't expect to see any other opininons on facepunch other than usual "police are bad guys, and protesters are good guys, let protesters kill cops - YEAH! , don't let pigs in blue kill peaceful protesters".
I just hope the next turn out of events is in following order:
EU fucks off.
Russia fucks off.
Ukraine brings out military and destroys all barricades and do mass-arrests.
Government doesn't get changed, klitchko gets blamed for raising the crowd then losing it out of his control, that idiot probably has brain damage after boxing, should've remained in boxing.[/QUOTE]
You forgot to remove those anti protest laws.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972209]Anyway, I didn't expect to see any other opininons on facepunch other than usual "police are bad guys, and protesters are good guys, let protesters kill cops - YEAH! , don't let pigs in blue kill peaceful protesters".
I just hope the next turn out of events is in following order:
[B]EU fucks off.[/B]
Russia fucks off.
[B]Ukraine brings out military and destroys all barricades and do mass-arrests. [/B]
[B]Government doesn't get changed[/B], klitchko gets blamed for raising the crowd then losing it out of his control, that idiot probably has brain damage after boxing, should've remained in boxing.[/QUOTE]
Jesus, you're not even a sociopath anymore, you're a full blown deluded lunatic.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43972256]Jesus, you're not even a sociopath anymore, you're a full blown deluded lunatic.[/QUOTE]
He's entitled to his opinion.
Not everybody in Ukraine wants the EU.
You all perfectly know what shit is gonna happen if UA gets into EU, it's gonna become second Greece, because EU fucks everyone over, always.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43972263]He's entitled to his opinion.
Not everybody in Ukraine wants the EU.[/QUOTE]
Ukraine can't survive on its own anymore, Russia has already fucked them over enough to ensure that.
Unless going the same aftermath route as Greece except without any kind of help sounds enticing.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43972263]He's entitled to his opinion.
Not everybody in Ukraine wants the EU.[/QUOTE]
And that's a perfectly fine opinion to have. It's that the anti-protest laws are the thing that makes me think the UA governent is the bad guy (relatively speaking) in this shit.
And I think that anyone supporting these laws is a fascist and a bad person.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972280]You all perfectly know what shit is gonna happen if UA gets into EU, it's gonna become second Greece, because EU fucks everyone over, always.[/QUOTE]
Ukraine is so fucked up and corrupted nobody ever makes a fucking driver license there, they just buy it. Same for permissions for building a house, you don't even need a schematics you build your house and then you buy the fucking papers for it. People either leave the country permanently, work abroad or stay and barely make a living. I mean a piece of shit car in Poland that I could buy with half of my month's salary is worth like 3 months of work in Ukraine.
People got angry and they started protesting, the government wanted to squelch it and it escalated. Now these people can't even surrender as they will all go to jail for years. They are up against a wall. It's not a few thousands of extremists out to destroy a great government or whatever you've made up.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972280]You all perfectly know what shit is gonna happen if UA gets into EU, it's gonna become second Greece, because EU fucks everyone over, always.[/QUOTE]
If only everything in history went according to what you think will happen.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972280]You all perfectly know what shit is gonna happen if UA gets into EU, it's gonna become second Greece, because EU fucks everyone over, always.[/QUOTE]
are you seriously implying that EU fucked greece over??????
greece lied about their statistics, they took billions of foreign debt that they couldnt pay and fucked themselves up beyond all measures
the EU, then proceeded to pour them over with money, they are getting BILLIONS of euros of aid to keep their country together
if you think the EU fucked greece up you are so wrong its not even funny
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43972407]Ukraine is so fucked up and corrupted nobody ever makes a fucking driver license there, they just buy it. Same for petions for building a house, you don't even need a schematics you build your house and then you buy the fucking papers for it. People either leave the country permanently, work abroad or stay and barely make a living. I mean a piece of shit car in Poland that I could buy with half of my month's salary is worth like 3 months of work in Ukraine.
People got angry and they started protesting, the government wanted to squelch it and it escalated. Now these people can't even surrender as they will all go to jail for years. They are up against a wall. It's not a few thousands of extremists out to destroy a great government or whatever you've made up.[/QUOTE]
I left Ukraine, got high degree in Ireland, got good job, keep changing/upgrading cars every year and things are just fine. I mean if you want better things you will get them no matter what, but if you want to get skull crushed and whole world to feel sorry for you then stay in Ukraine and go to protest
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972575]I left Ukraine, got high degree in Ireland, got good job, keep changing/upgrading cars every year and things are just fine. I mean if you want better things you will get them no matter what, but if you want to get skull crushed and whole world to feel sorry for you then stay in Ukraine and go to protest[/QUOTE]
Well, some people just love their country, you know, and not everyone can afford to move to another town, not to mention another country. But yeah, this doesn't mean you need to escalate things so much.
The Lviv region apparently just declared independence from Ukraine.
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
I know most of you know already, just updating the ones who don't.
Lviv [url=http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/190981.html]declared regional autonomy[/url] not independence
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
Yanukovych has just [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26265808]sacked[/url] the head of the armed forces. He also encouraged people to wildly speculate about what this might mean
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972575]I left Ukraine, got high degree in Ireland, got good job, keep changing/upgrading cars every year and things are just fine. I mean if you want better things you will get them no matter what, but if you want to get skull crushed and whole world to feel sorry for you then stay in Ukraine and go to protest[/QUOTE]
I hope you're just a [B]FAT[/B] troll, because no sane person can have these beliefs, lel
#thinprivilege
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972280]You all perfectly know what shit is gonna happen if UA gets into EU, it's gonna become second Greece, because EU fucks everyone over, always.[/QUOTE]
Ukraine is more or less fucked over already, with rampant corruption and abuse. A membership within EU might have at least put them on the right path, economically and politically.
And no, EU was not responsible for what happened with Greece.
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
Looking at all your other posts, I'd say you're mental and ignorant.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43970095]I just hope they bring in real tanks and start moving all baricades the violent way and start seriously beat the shit out of those extremists this is going too far now. I saw video where there is one hurt/barely alive berkut soldier being taken into hostages by protesters, and instead of healing him or sending to hospital, they are forcing doctors to let them go and bring them into burning buildings to burn alive. What the fuck, I truly hope every single of these extremist dies or gets send to some kind of modern gulag.
If I could I would get a fucking military helicopter and just start spraying bullets into crowd, I wouldn't care at this point, yes I would get prosecuted, yes I would be hated, yes I would be in trouble, but idc, this shit would end fast.
P.S - Yes I support current president.
Also how the fuck current situation could not be considered as terrorist act? Technically they are trying to overtake the government by forcing entry into governmental building.
I would love to see same shit happen in US or any other EU country, would love to see what would police do then.
The protesters/extremists are not normal people, they are the poor fucks who either drink every day and do fuck all or fucked up big time in their past (not getting education or anything).
All my friends (19-24 age) finished school, successfully went to College, got a degree and now live in Ukraine wealthy and fine, they don't complain or many have moved to different country as they have the possibility.
Why the fuck does successful side of people who work and got education must suffer because of couple thousand lazy fucks.
/Rant over.[/QUOTE]
I would like to say that like 70% comments that I read on polish websites basically claim this guy's point
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972280]You all perfectly know what shit is gonna happen if UA gets into EU, it's gonna become second Greece, because EU fucks everyone over, always.[/QUOTE]
Yeah EU has fucked over Ireland so bad that it now has some of the biggest growths in the Eurozone.
The EU has fucked over Romania so bad that it had like the biggest growth rates in the whole of Europe last year
You don't know shit, pls go
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43972575]I left Ukraine, got high degree in Ireland, got good job, keep changing/upgrading cars every year and things are just fine. I mean if you want better things you will get them no matter what, but if you want to get skull crushed and whole world to feel sorry for you then stay in Ukraine and go to protest[/QUOTE]
What the fuck does that have to do with what I said? How does your good situation after you have [B]moved out to Ireland[/B] refutes the fact that Ukraine is a terrible place to live and so people got fed up with their politicians and wanted to protest which the government wanted to squelch which escalated things? If anything your example just supports my argument.
And just because you left it doesn't mean everyone can or wants to do that. Maybe some people instead of moving out want their country to be a place where you can actually make a living too.
Meh whatever, guess I will just agree and go with your all point.
Boo cops, stop murdering!
Hey protesters, I recommend you take that grenade and throw it into standing berkut.
Lets hope that happens, I mean that's what we all want right?
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[QUOTE=arleitiss;43973483]Meh whatever, guess I will just agree and go with your all point.
Boo cops, stop murdering!
Hey protesters, I recommend you take that grenade and throw it into standing berkut.
Lets hope that happens, I mean that's what we all want right?[/QUOTE]
You just hate being proven wrong, dontcha?
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43973483]Meh whatever, guess I will just agree and go with your all point.
Boo cops, stop murdering!
Hey protesters, I recommend you take that grenade and throw it into standing berkut.
Lets hope that happens, I mean that's what we all want right?[/QUOTE]
You're a fucking moron, fuck off already.
We don't want people to die; but there is no peaceful resolution to the conflict, as that is a point we've passed long ago. The government, who passed laws that conflicted with [I]basic human rights,[/I] refuses to listen to it's people, [I]which the government serves, not the other way around,[/I] and they respond to demonstrations with violence. People have had enough, and therefore respond on kind, as it seems this is the only way to fight back.
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