[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;33966220]They can't even get UAVs or Trains right.
I have a feeling that the shuttle launch is going to end in disaster.[/QUOTE]
Yes except you'd probably spend a little more time and money on a rocket. China isn't new to space travel either.
Also I don't think they will use a shuttle.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;33966318]Yes except you'd probably spend a little more time and money on a rocket. China isn't new to space travel either.
Also I don't think they will use a shuttle.[/QUOTE]
Will probably just have everyone stand on each others shoulders...
[QUOTE=Squad;33966330]Will probably just have everyone stand on each others shoulders...[/QUOTE]
Or use a rocket.
Would be nice if all of the countries around the world would just make a United Nations Space Agency as opposed to having individual (well, European is a group, but still) space agencies.
Could make so much more progress so much faster if we all worked together with a combined budget, independant of any country.
[QUOTE=Medevilae;33966431]Ever heard of the ISS?
Also NASA and the ESA work together quite a lot. Not to mention Japan's JAEA.[/QUOTE]
Trust me to be a fucking idiot :v:
How could the international space station slip my mind.
They're gonna paint the moon pink and draw a Lenin face on it!
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;33966220]They can't even get UAVs or Trains right.
I have a feeling that the shuttle launch is going to end in disaster.[/QUOTE]
Accidents do happen you know.
We're gonna live under a red moon.....
[QUOTE=MIPS;33967012]We're gonna live under a red moon.....[/QUOTE]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Lunar_eclipse_June_2011_Total.jpg/600px-Lunar_eclipse_June_2011_Total.jpg[/img]
China's owned the moon all along!
:tinfoil:
Good luck China on this and all future endeavors
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;33963529]I hope there'll be another space race[/QUOTE]
I hope they even lift off for once.
First was their UAV rip off.
Then the bullet train...
Hopefully this follows the "3rd time's the charm" saying.
I'm really ignorant and i don't understand why we need to go into space.
I'm hoping this will spark a new space race, and if it does I wonder how the U.S will face it. . . I'm thinking we will use companies like SpaceX with massive government involvement (Funding and resources). If not that then perhaps integrating sections of the military with NASA, the military is quite effective at developing advanced technologies in relatively short time spams.
I'm also curious as to China's approach and how they will develop their infrastructure. Maybe help from the Russians? I'm not really familiar with the Chinese R&D cycle though so don't know what to speculate on.
[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;33967331]I'm really ignorant and i don't understand why we need to go into space.[/QUOTE]
First of all, it creates workplaces. We need workplaces.
Second of all, we don't know what we'll find, which is how all science works.
Third of all, we are rapidly becoming too many to share all our resources and still life comfortable lives, which means someone always has to live in poverty.
+ More stuff here that I didn't think of right now.
[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;33967331]I'm really ignorant and i don't understand why we need to go into space.[/QUOTE]
Everyone wants to live on the Moon/Mars/space station/other galaxy/explore the universe/whatever.
No offense but everyone here thinks everything related to space is right around the corner after watching and playing too much sci-fi stuff when we have bigger problems here from which we can't run away from.
Or we can, but we never do.
At least now we'll know who has the better technology when we compare the Chinese special effects of their fake Moon landing to ours.
[QUOTE=dass;33967673]No offense but everyone here thinks everything related to space is right around the corner after watching and playing too much sci-fi stuff when we have bigger problems here from which we can't run away from.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone actually thinks everything related to space is right around the corner, and even if a lot of people did, I wouldn't generalize like that.
I do think that a lot, possibly a majority, thinks that we aren't spending enough money on space travel and space research.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;33967619]First of all, it creates workplaces. We need workplaces.
Second of all, we don't know what we'll find, which is how all science works.
Third of all, we are rapidly becoming too many to share all our resources and still life comfortable lives, which means someone always has to live in poverty.
+ More stuff here that I didn't think of right now.[/QUOTE]
It will hardly create any unless you find alot of people with proper qualifications.
We haven't found anything actually useful for a long time from probing the same rocks over and over.
And poverty will keep on existing. A bunch of people are on the moon, hell, a million if you want, but there will still be people left behind.
Its not as simple as everyone makes it sound. SpaceX has those things for civilians, but said civilians have to pay ALOT to participate in it.
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[QUOTE=LarparNar;33967721]I don't think anyone actually thinks everything related to space is right around the corner, and even if a lot of people did, I wouldn't generalize like that.
I do think that a lot, possibly a majority, thinks that we aren't spending enough money on space travel and space research.[/QUOTE]
Thats true though. We are diverting too much money into things that aren't really needed, but at the same time, I think diverting all or a big vast sum of that money towards space exploration isn't the right thing either when we have serious problems around the world.
Balance is needed, and we can't find it, because we don't even want it.
[QUOTE=dass;33967737]It will hardly create any unless you find alot of people with proper qualifications.[/quote]
Space travel requires a lot more people than astronauts and flight leaders.
Materials need to be acquired and prepared, assembled, and whatnot else.
Spent money doesn't magically disappear, it ends up with someone.
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We haven't found anything actually useful for a long time from probing the same rocks over and over.
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And that is just some of it.
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And poverty will keep on existing. A bunch of people are on the moon, hell, a million if you want, but there will still be people left behind.
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I find it hard to contest this, it's sad, but in no way does it mean we shouldn't spend money on space.
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Its not as simple as everyone makes it sound. SpaceX has those things for civilians, but said civilians have to pay ALOT to participate in it.
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I'm not talking about space tourism, I'm talking about space colonization.
But it takes baby steps, which is why people get impatient.
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Thats true though. We are diverting too much money into things that aren't really needed, but at the same time, I think diverting all or a big vast sum of that money towards space exploration isn't the right thing either when we have serious problems around the world.
Balance is needed, and we can't find it, because we don't even want it.[/QUOTE]
Balance is indeed needed. I agree.
Exactly, but all that money seems to disappear "magically" anyway...
All the breakthroughs we found "from probing the same rocks over and over" just like I said are nice, but, they aren't useful like they should be. It wont be until we can get off this rock and actually stay up there for a very long time in conditions nearly as good as the ones we have here. IMO.
Space tourism evolves into space colonization, and we seem to be VERY far from it I'm afraid.
Again, just opinions on the matter. I'd very much like to see a space station like on Doom3 with all that tech (yea, I've been playing Doom3 lately, and I'd love to see something like that happen, minus the alien/demon invasion and madness ofc)
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;33964387]Re rill make new china for rah grorious rotherrand![/QUOTE]
The Chinese are Scooby-Doo now?
Shouldn't we fix our own planet before going to other ones though?
[QUOTE=Lilolia;33964309]I have never understood why they havent created a small moonbase or something. I mean, surely its a good place to test out a self-sustaining base away from Earth, where they can also observe/research and gather samples of things easier, because, well they are pretty much in space.[/QUOTE]
Because Ronald Reagan.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;33966389]Would be nice if all of the countries around the world would just make a United Nations Space Agency as opposed to having individual (well, European is a group, but still) space agencies.
Could make so much more progress so much faster if we all worked together with a combined budget, independant of any country.[/QUOTE]
Three problems:
1. Dual use technology: No country wants it's hard won ballistic missile/military space tech just given out for free to other countries.
2. Collaborations are a pain in the ass: Unless all the minor agencies simply give NASA money and take a step back, it causes a lot of problems with leadership and work sharing. If a project is split up by country standardising a system built by engineers and companies using completely different processes, languages and even measurement systems (metric/imperial) is very hard to do. Also geographical distance means getting all of the people and components together to test is a lot more difficult.
3. No dickwavery potential: The motivation for big space projects largely goes away if you can't boast that your country or alliance did it, when another country or alliance couldn't.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;33963560]At least someone's showing an interest :([/QUOTE]
A lot of people are, thing is, hardly anyone has the money for it. I wish their would be an international effort to build a permanent moon base.
In before they paint "USA SUCKS" on the Moon with a really large font size.
I can see it now..
First Chinese man to take a crap on the moon, then wipe with the American flag.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;33963529]I hope there'll be another space race[/QUOTE]
Why do you want that? Wouldn't collaboration be more beneficial for everyone involved?
I seriously wonder what will happen if a Chinese astronaut actually got to the moon and then desecrated the original moon landing site while he/she was up there.
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;33974097]I seriously wonder what will happen if a Chinese astronaut actually got to the moon and then desecrated the original moon landing site while he/she was up there.[/QUOTE]You'd have a pretty big international incident followed by most likely a lot of shit getting dumped on China.
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