Texas Killed A Mexican Before He Could Get Help From His Home Country - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;30988340](it's texas)[/QUOTE] Here we go again. [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-frog.gif[/img]

Holy shit it should be bannable to just rate everyone dumb and not put up any sort of argument I don't even care about ratings normally but sanius is just such a pretentious moron and I'm sure he knows his arguments can't possibly stand because they're so fucking stupid

[QUOTE=locojaws;30988524]Yes, people who go on killing rampages and rape sprees should be kept alive and fed by our work hard money turned into taxes. :v:[/QUOTE] We've had this argument 10x before. The cost of all of the appeals court hearings are greater than the cost of life imprisonment and innocent people still slip through the cracks.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;30987248]Executing a citizen of another country, even the death penalty itself is a bit hardcore. I know he did a horrible crime, but it's the damn 21st century. Give him a long sentence but don't go to the ancient custom of an eye for an eye, as this seems the case. Oh look, a dumb rating. Typical. Oh, another too. I thought Facepunch was this collective that believed in progressive society.[/QUOTE] You mean that after 100 years or so there wouldn't be any prisons because it is progressive to reduce the penalty of a crime?

[QUOTE=Strongbad;30989973]This is stupid. Why is this newsworthy? Texas executed a murdering rapist. Why should he be given another opportunity to walk free so he can murder again?[/QUOTE] It's less of a capital punishment debate and more so of a diplomacy/extradition debate. Well, it should be.

Haha, it is so funny listening to all of you. First we hear in other articles that illegal aliens should be treated the same as citizens. They shouldn't face all the issues they do. Now an illegal alien kills and rapes a child and cries for his country which he fled from to save him everyone agrees Texas should have waited. Well which one is it? Because if a citizen had done this they would have no choice of escaping to another country. So which one is it? They're treated as an illegal or like a citizen? I think Texas did the right thing, he raped and murder a girl. He did it on US soil so he is going to face the same punishment as a regular joe would. Don't cry for rights as an illegal then when you do something majorly against the law cry to be treated like an illegal and ask for deportation. Beggars can't be choosers.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;30990045]Holy shit it should be bannable to just rate everyone dumb and not put up any sort of argument [/QUOTE] If you want to bitch about icon-sized images, do it over PM rather than spamming this thread. [QUOTE=Strongbad;30989973]This is stupid. Why is this newsworthy? Texas executed a murdering rapist. Why should he be given another opportunity to walk free so he can murder again?[/QUOTE] You're right, let's end his life for no reason other than to satisfy our childish blood lust. Killing him will solve literally nothing.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;30989368]He didn't deserve to die, necessarily, but he wouldn't and couldn't have had any prison time because as I'm sick of saying over and over again he'd be moved back to Mexico where nothing would be done because Mexico doesn't prosecute for crimes committed in other countries so texas executed him because they wanted to get this guy off the streets one way or another[/QUOTE] I think this is less about extradition and more about the fact that help from Mexican consulates wasn't allowed. It would have probably been best if there was a trial held on U.S. soil with Mexican legal support.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;30987248]Executing a citizen of another country, even the death penalty itself is a bit hardcore. I know he did a horrible crime, but it's the damn 21st century. Give him a long sentence but don't go to the ancient custom of an eye for an eye, as this seems the case. Oh look, a dumb rating. Typical. Oh, another too. I thought Facepunch was this collective that believed in progressive society.[/QUOTE] Please. Facepunch consists mostly out of kids. Kids are, by definition, unable to fully grasp the consequences of their thoughts and actions, and are inherent conclusion-jumpers. In the face of inhumane brutality, like what the mexican guy did to that girl, they're obviously gonna consider death penalty a justifiable punishment.

Hey, at least he got some badass last words in.

[QUOTE=MR-X;30990100]Haha, it is so funny listening to all of you. First we hear in other articles that illegal aliens should be treated the same as citizens. They shouldn't face all the issues they do. Now an illegal alien kills and rapes a child and cries for his country which he fled from to save him everyone agrees Texas should have waited. Well which one is it? Because if a citizen had done this they would have no choice of escaping to another country. So which one is it? They're treated as an illegal or like a citizen? I think Texas did the right thing, he raped and murder a girl. He did it on US soil so he is going to face the same punishment as a regular joe would. Don't cry for rights as an illegal then when you do something majorly against the law cry to be treated like an illegal and ask for deportation. Beggars can't be choosers.[/QUOTE] What kind of bullshit argument is this? People who support laxer immigration policies think that illegal aliens should be treated as citizens [I]by being made citizens.[/I] Being a citizen subjects an immigrant to the same legal consequences as a everyone else as opposed to deportation and extradition. Also strawman as fuck.

[QUOTE=Billiam;30990250]I think this is less about extradition and more about the fact that help from Mexican consulates wasn't allowed. It would have probably been best if there was a trial held on U.S. soil with Mexican legal support.[/QUOTE] He wasn't actually disallowed a Mexican consul, but he was never informed. Without his consulate he incriminated himself, which helped the prosecution in proving that in addition to murder, raped and kidnapping, which landed him the death penalty. Which a murder, in the state of Texas, a death penalty does not make. Would he have a better defense if he had a consulate? Probably. Would he have escaped the death penalty? Probably not.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;30990357]He wasn't actually disallowed a Mexican consul, but he was never informed. Without his consulate he incriminated himself, which helped the prosecution in proving that in addition to murder, raped and kidnapping, which landed him the death penalty. Which a murder, in the state of Texas, a death penalty does not make. Would he have a better defense if he had a consulate? Probably. Would he have escaped the death penalty? Probably not.[/QUOTE] Even then the Supreme Court decision should have swung the other way as it would have set better legal precedent and denied Mexico the opportunity to do something similar.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;30990251]Please. Facepunch consists mostly out of kids. Kids are, by definition, unable to fully grasp the consequences of their thoughts and actions, and are inherent conclusion-jumpers. In the face of inhumane brutality, like what the mexican guy did to that girl, they're obviously gonna consider death penalty a justifiable punishment.[/QUOTE] Pretty much. Death penalty should not exist in 2011.

[quote]Texas Killed A Mexican[/quote] For some reason I imagined that like this [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/k63l1.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Antdawg;30987248]Executing a citizen of another country, even the death penalty itself is a bit hardcore. I know he did a horrible crime, but it's the damn 21st century. Give him a long sentence but don't go to the ancient custom of an eye for an eye, as this seems the case.[/QUOTE] How was this not fair? He raped [I]and[/I] murdered a teen girl, then was executed in the nicest possible way - and you say that's eye for an eye? It's not like we bludgeoned [I]him[/I] to death with a chunk of asphalt, now, is it? Let's face it. Rape in itself is pretty much worse than death and is humiliating. Add to that a horrible, painful death, and this guy gets off easy. You can't defend that or justify his right to live anymore when he does something so brutally animalistic. [QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;30987017]That's justice for you Good show america[/QUOTE] See above. Is your idea of justice letting him live when he wasn't a good enough person to allow another to?

[QUOTE=Jenkem;30991653]How was this not fair? He raped [I]and[/I] murdered a teen girl, then was executed in the nicest possible way - and you say that's eye for an eye? It's not like we bludgeoned [I]him[/I] to death with a chunk of asphalt, now, is it? Let's face it. Rape in itself is pretty much worse than death and is humiliating. Add to that a horrible, painful death, and this guy gets off easy.[B] You can't defend that or justify his right to live anymore when he does something so brutally animalistic.[/B][/QUOTE] Yeah um, here you are committing a serious error. The question is [B]not[/B] wether he has the right to keep on living. Every human being on this planet has an inherent right to live. If you question that you are one fucked up individual. The real question is wether [B]we[/B], or anyone else, can justify revoking [B]his[/B] right to live. We condemn him for murdering that young girl. Yet we're suddenly off the hook when we decide to murder him? You're venturing into incredibly loose ground when you start deciding who has the right to live and who doesn't. Alas, the burden of justifying his death is on [B]you[/B] of you agree with the sentence he got. Yeah, he commited some seriously atrocious deeds, and if it was my daughter or girlfriend or whatever I'd want him dead too. But we can't let emotion and taste for revenge rule how the juridical system sentence criminals.

He incriminated himself heavily, was unable to contact his consulate, and was executed as a result. The guy committed the crime, and I'm not going to shed tears over his demise, but he should have been allowed to contact his consulate. That way, when Americans are detained overseas, they will be afforded the same rights. Obama really needed to play this one hard. Threaten a presidential pardon if Texas failed to comply with Washington's demands. I'd rather that guy be free than killed without a proper trial.

This Thread's Title Looks Kind Of Weird To Me, But I have No Idea Why.

[QUOTE=Jenkem;30991653]How was this not fair? He raped [I]and[/I] murdered a teen girl, then was executed in the nicest possible way - and you say that's eye for an eye? It's not like we bludgeoned [I]him[/I] to death with a chunk of asphalt, now, is it?[/QUOTE] Lethal injection is actually a supremely fucked up way to go. It consists, in Texas, of three injections. The first is designed to render you unconscious. Now, amusingly, this is sodium thiopental, which is more than capable of not only killing you, but doing so in the single most peaceful fashion possible. Medically assisted suicides often use this BECAUSE it is so peaceful. BUT the dosage here is barely enough to knock you out for a few minutes. Which, as you can imagine, is a difficult thing to get exactly right. Which is the source of all of the problems here. This brings us to the second injection. This causes paralysis. Your heart, theoretically, continues to pump, but your lungs no longer function. This will eventually cause you to suffocate. If it wasn't for injection number 3. This one is effectively heart attack in syringe form. Your heart just stops. 2 and 3 wouldn't really be a problem, except for the fact that number 1 fails FREQUENTLY. Some studies suggest that the MAJORITY of the time the first one fails because the staff doctors do not have sufficient training. As a result, you have prisoners who are often conscious as you paralyze them (including their lungs) and then stop their heart. Note that none of this stops them from feeling anything. If they are conscious, then they are completely aware of the fact that their lungs are no longer moving. Or that their heart has stopped. So no, lethal injection is a far, FAR, cry from a peaceful way to go. The firing squad is an infinitely more humane way to kill people. Or, as Ohio has recently decided, just use the damn sodium thiopental to kill them. Ultimately, even though I have no moral objection to killing people for certain crimes, I do have an objection to its implementation. Mistakes can be made during criminal proceedings, corruption can happen, evidence can be planted. Execution isn't one that you can ever take back, and people ARE wrongly convicted on occasion. I also disagree with the notion that the government has the right to kill its citizens under any circumstance other than to directly defend the lives or well being of other citizens.

[QUOTE=valkery;30986978][URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/mexican-man-hours-away-from-texas-execution-awaits-court-ruling-on-white-house-backed-appeal/2011/07/07/gIQAhfsl1H_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage[/URL] Fuck you too, supposedly non-biased Supreme court. Not saying that he wasn't a monster and that he didn't deserve to die.[/QUOTE] Cool biased title bro He was a U.S. national with him trying to exploit a loophole using his Mexican Citizenship to get around the death sentence, and your title implies that he was executed hastily after being convicted when he was convicted 17 years ago

If another country did this to an American citizen they'd probably get bombed for it

I heard about this on the radio, his last words were Viva La Mexico! Viva La Mexico! I don't think it's fair that he was kept alive for so long, in solitary confinement, with better conditions than a regular jail. If they're going to do death penalty, they need to make it a lot sooner than 20 some years.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;30992815]Cool biased title bro He was a U.S. national with him trying to exploit a loophole using his Mexican Citizenship to get around the death sentence, and your title implies that he was executed hastily after being convicted when he was convicted 17 years ago[/QUOTE] he was a mexican national, and he was executed without being given the chance to receive legal counsel from the mexican consulate. he was not attempting to "exploit a loophole" by challenging the verdict on the grounds that he was not granted speaking time with his nation's consulate. this execution was a breach of international law.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30992879]If another country did this to an American citizen they'd probably get bombed for it[/QUOTE] Watch "Locked Up Abroad" sometime. American citizens are incarcerated and die or are tortured in foreign prisons all the time. Mexico, Jamaica, Guatemala, Haiti, Cuba, China, the list goes on. Big deal. If you break the law of another nation, then you're subject to its penalties.

[QUOTE=acds;30990953]Pretty much. Death penalty should not exist in 2011.[/QUOTE] But crime exists, and will exist since it has existed for as long as I can remember. Can't say he didn't deserve it. Though it's a matter of geography what punishments people deserve for the more or less same crimes they commit, so I can't really say what he truly deserves. Forgive and forget? Nah didn't think so.

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30993742]Watch "Locked Up Abroad" sometime. American citizens are incarcerated and die or are tortured in foreign prisons all the time. Mexico, Jamaica, Guatemala, Haiti, Cuba, China, the list goes on. Big deal. If you break the law of another nation, then you're subject to its penalties.[/QUOTE] How many does this happen to vs. how many does the US manage to free by threats of sanctions or worse

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30993868]How many does this happen to vs. how many does the US manage to free by threats of sanctions or worse[/QUOTE] Don't know. Do you? Must be pretty infrequent, since we rarely hear about it in the news- unless it's regarding citizens incarcerated inside of a country like North Korea (even then, it's astronomical to hear the United States threaten further sanctions against them asides from the ones already imposed, much less scramble the air force to bomb them...).

What a idiot he should had come to sweden and raped someone, no conscequences hell perhaps even get a asylum. But now he is dead.

I think America should start making illegal immigrants have their knee caps smashed in. That way they cannot hop the fence or barely walk, they will be stuck in mexico for good.