Texas Killed A Mexican Before He Could Get Help From His Home Country - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Antdawg;30987248] Oh look, a dumb rating. Typical. Oh, another too. I thought Facepunch was this collective that believed in progressive society.[/QUOTE] [i]Stop liking what I don't like![/i]

This makes sense to me, if you commit a crime in a country you should have to face its punishment, not another one where no crime was committed.

[QUOTE=Last.Shinobi;30995470]I think America should start making illegal immigrants have their knee caps smashed in. That way they cannot hop the fence or barely walk, they will be stuck in mexico for good.[/QUOTE] I think Facepunch should start making shit posters have their knee caps smashed in. That way they cannot hop the fence or barely walk, they will be stuck in refugee camp for good.

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30993993]Don't know. Do you? Must be pretty infrequent, since we rarely hear about it in the news- unless it's regarding citizens incarcerated inside of a country like North Korea (even then, it's astronomical to hear the United States threaten further sanctions against them asides from the ones already imposed, much less scramble the air force to bomb them...).[/QUOTE] Either way, an American being executed abroad is likely extremely rare since it's mostly the underdeveloped countries that execute people and Americans are more likely to travel to Canada/Europe/etc [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Last.Shinobi;30995470]I think America should start making illegal immigrants have their knee caps smashed in. That way they cannot hop the fence or barely walk, they will be stuck in mexico for good.[/QUOTE] But if they're in Mexico they aren't an illegal immigrant, and if you break their knees in America they'll be there forever

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31000154]But if they're in Mexico they aren't an illegal immigrant, and if you break their knees in America they'll be there forever[/QUOTE] This is why you tie a rock to their legs and then launch them with a massive trebuchet over the border. The rock causes them to fall feet first and break their legs upon landing. Sure the mortality rate is high, but it isn't like they are human beings seeking a better life or anything.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30992879]If another country did this to an American citizen they'd probably get bombed for it[/QUOTE] Yeah the U.S. is gonna bomb a country because they executed/life imprisoned a self-admitted [B]rapist[/B] and [B]murderer[/B] simply because they had American citizenship. Smaller crimes, yeah they might threaten sanctions or whatever and I know you're not being literal but the U.S. government is not going to give two shits about a citizen who raped and murdered someone and admitted it (not likely to have been coerced)

Well we could have been [I]really [/I]cruel and made him live in Mexico.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30993868]How many does this happen to vs. how many does the US manage to free by threats of sanctions or worse[/QUOTE] [quote]The State Department reported last week that, as of February, there were no fewer than 404 Americans being held in foreign jails on various drug charges, compared with only 142 a year ago.[/quote] [quote]Arrest is only the first of a series of horrors. [B]Beyond helping young smugglers to get a reputable lawyer, U.S. consuls can only ensure that Americans get the same treatment as the local nationals[/B] [B]do[/B]—which is often a far cry from U.S. standards.[/quote] Yeah dude! Amurca is just bombing countries left and right to get their citizens back. [URL]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,904284-1,00.html[/URL] EDIT: Nevermind the article's from 1970 I'm an idiot let me find another source. [quote] Jon Pattis was accused of being a spy and sentenced to 10 years in prison after Iraqi jets bombed an Iranian satellite station where he had been working during the Iran-Iraq war in 1986. He was released last October. Ellen Pattis said she pestered the State Department for years to get her brother released and complained that he was ignored when he returned to the United States. But a State Department official, who declined to be identified, said the American government has less clout in countries like Iran where it has no diplomatic representation. "It's kind of a misconception that we can get them out," she said. "You can't send in the Marines." A U.S. embassy or consulate can ship money and messages from family members, offer a list of local lawyers and protest if the American prisoner is mistreated. [/quote] We didn't give a shit about the guy who was arrested for "spying" in Iran. And usually when people get released it isn't the government who helps them it's former politicians or current Congressman who have no real power in the U.S. to get the country to free them (i.e. no executive power) but petition the country on their own. [url]http://articles.latimes.com/1992-08-16/news/mn-6926_1_united-states[/url] From 1992

..This idiot isn't helping our Mexican image at all.. Hell--half of Wal-Mart looks at me like I'm gonna murder somebody because I'm Mexican..

[QUOTE=HazmatSquad;31001169]..This idiot isn't helping our Mexican image at all.. Hell--half of Wal-Mart looks at me like I'm gonna murder somebody because I'm Mexican..[/QUOTE] Mexico is a shit hole already, don't change much. Doesn't mean Mexicans are all bad though.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;30988045]He raped and murdered a 16 year old girl. He came to the United States illegally to commit one of the most heinous crimes possible, and he paid for it. I'm not saying it's right, but if he was returned to Mexico, he'd have walked a free man. The Texan government chose to serve its concept of justice before anyone had a chance to let him go. To clarify- the Texan government saw that the death penalty was the only way to get justice of any sort in. If he was just imprisoned, he'd have eventually been extradited to Mexico to face a Mexican court for a crime committed in the US (so nothing would have been done because that's not how the law works). Obama wanted to send him back to Mexico as a political move.[/QUOTE] I severely doubt they would have let him walk free. [editline]9th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=teh pirate;30988312]You illegally go to a country, you break its laws, you face its courts. The American court sentenced him to death because if he was sentenced to life in prison or whatever eventually the federal government would manage to get him back to Mexico where he'd walk free because you can't be put on trial in Mexico for a crime you committed in another country. Prosecutors, obviously, did not want this at all, so he was sentenced to death. The dumb rating was not necessary.[/QUOTE] so to avoid a theoretical release, you support murdering him? Are you fucking insane? [editline]9th July 2011[/editline] How the fuck is that Justice? [editline]9th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=locojaws;30988524]Yes, people who go on killing rampages and rape sprees should be kept alive and fed by our work hard money turned into taxes. :v:[/QUOTE] Meanwhile, back in reality...

life imprisonment is best in these situations goes to show how fucking retarded americans are for allowing death penalty, of course what he did was terrible and should severely punished, but death is not a punishment, death sets you free. Seriously america has its good moments, reasonable culture with some good people, amazing technology and whatnot, and then there's the fucking retarded america that loves death penalty and is socially acceptable, and to make it more sad most of the people that agree on death penalty are usually the religious nuts and right wing folk because from i've seen, read and learned throughout my short life, is that all conservatives are dumb fucks You all should be ashamed of yourselves, futuristic infrastructures harboring people with 15th century mindsets.

[QUOTE=GunFox;30992346]I also disagree with the notion that the government has the right to kill its citizens under any circumstance other than to directly defend the lives or well being of other citizens.[/QUOTE] I think killing someone who has proven and admitted to being a direct threat to the lives/well being of other citizens falls under that.

[QUOTE=Canesfan;31011958]I think killing someone who has proven and admitted to being a direct threat to the lives/well being of other citizens falls under that.[/QUOTE] cool arbitrary emotional pandering dude. everybody is a threat to other people, so I guess everybody should be executed

I know you all love killing and justice but can't you enjoy these two things separately? Edit: I thought most of Facepunch was liberal but why are many people then against abolishing death penalty? Edit2: Also on a side note, all big arguments in Facepunch get heated up real fast and it is easy to assume the person you are arguing against is in some way a "bad" or stupid person because of his differing opinions, then people start using strawmans, personal remarks etc. to argue. In the end of the day it was just some shitstorm on the internet, no one learned a thing and it was simply pointless. This is ofcourse a very hindsighted remark but I hope people might think atleast for a while.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;31012235]what if the executioner runs out of bullets and can't find a way to kill himself[/QUOTE] autoerotic asphyxiation

[QUOTE=Antdawg;30987248]Executing a citizen of another country, even the death penalty itself is a bit hardcore. I know he did a horrible crime, but it's the damn 21st century. Give him a long sentence but don't go to the ancient custom of an eye for an eye, as this seems the case. Oh look, a dumb rating. Typical. Oh, another too. I thought Facepunch was this collective that believed in progressive society.[/QUOTE] Facepunch is horrificaly far right when it comes to the death penalty. It's asinine and I find it absurd, but it is what it is. Many posters here have explained away a lot of the effects the death penalty supposedly brings with it. Hell, to me, I can't understand why anyone supports it when innocent people have, and are killed by it. Even in modern times, bias and laziness causes grievous errors. [editline]9th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=demoguy08;30992071]Yeah um, here you are committing a serious error. The question is [B]not[/B] wether he has the right to keep on living. Every human being on this planet has an inherent right to live. If you question that you are one fucked up individual. The real question is wether [B]we[/B], or anyone else, can justify revoking [B]his[/B] right to live. We condemn him for murdering that young girl. Yet we're suddenly off the hook when we decide to murder him? You're venturing into incredibly loose ground when you start deciding who has the right to live and who doesn't. Alas, the burden of justifying his death is on [B]you[/B] of you agree with the sentence he got. [b]Yeah, he commited some seriously atrocious deeds, and if it was my daughter or girlfriend or whatever I'd want him dead too. But we can't let emotion and taste for revenge rule how the juridical system sentence criminals.[/b][/QUOTE] THIS THIS THIS A THOUSAND FUCKING TIMES THIS. It's ridiculous that we let emotions make these judgements for us, yes, we're emotional, but justice is an ideal concept that is supposed to exist without emotions making the decisions, it's supposed to distance us from that fiery red hot anger we all have when it comes to these things. I am disgusted by what he did, but my anger doesn't validate his death, no ones anger does.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30992879]If another country did this to an American citizen they'd probably get bombed for it[/QUOTE] Can we please stop trying to make America look like a shithole every chance we get? It's childish and moronic.

[quote]“One more thing,” he said as the drugs began taking effect. Then he shouted twice, “Viva Mexico!”[/quote] pretty awesome last words.

I love America, you don't trust your justice system enough to leave Casey Anthony alone when proven innocent, yet you have no problem with it being able to kill someone. How do these double standards work for you people?

[QUOTE=demoguy08;30990251]Please. Facepunch consists mostly out of kids. Kids are, by definition, unable to fully grasp the consequences of their thoughts and actions, and are inherent conclusion-jumpers. In the face of inhumane brutality, like what the mexican guy did to that girl, they're obviously gonna consider death penalty a justifiable punishment.[/QUOTE] My daddy said in time all really bad things are made ok becuz you can tell the person that you forgot on purpose how bad they were cuz then that means you are a good person and then god will like them more. When I took a cookie from my mom and it was in a jar she forgot about it after a lot of time and now I don't feel so bad cuz she is very nise.

[QUOTE=SoaringScout;31014401]Can we please stop trying to make America look like a shithole every chance we get? It's childish and moronic.[/QUOTE] It kinda is.