• Poll: Bernie Sanders surges ahead of Hillary Clinton in N.H., 44-37
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I hate to say it, but he won't be elected. He doesn't have the billionaire companies to buy off the electoral college like all other presidential candidates do. I'm seriously going to commit seppuku on the steps of the whitehouse if trump is elected.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48463772]Bush v Gore had nothing to do with gerrymandering. I suggest you inform yourself on what gerrymandering actually is. Bush v Gore from what I know was about different counties in Florida applying different vote counting procedures. Gerrymandering is not relevant in the slightest to Presidential elections. At the federal level it's only relevant for House of Representatives elections.[/QUOTE] I suggest you re-read it because the districts that had their votes thrown out were democrat controlled districts that had just been redone two years prior under Jeb Bush's cabinet. [editline]15th August 2015[/editline] Also the difference in counting wasn't on a county level but the Florida Supreme Court ordered a in depth recount of the votes to grab the stamped paper ballots that didn't completely puncture the paper or made it past the vote count machines. The Supreme Court jumped in with the line of "Voting isn't a right" and then made one of the dumbest arguments ever.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48465158]I suggest you re-read it because the districts that had their votes thrown out were democrat controlled districts that had just been redone two years prior under Jeb Bush's cabinet. [editline]15th August 2015[/editline] Also the difference in counting wasn't on a county level but the Florida Supreme Court ordered a in depth recount of the votes to grab the stamped paper ballots that didn't completely puncture the paper or made it past the vote count machines. The Supreme Court jumped in with the line of "Voting isn't a right" and then made one of the dumbest arguments ever.[/QUOTE] How did you come up with the idea that counties had their votes thrown out? Why do you refer to them as districts and not counties? What, did you read the statistic where Bush would have won if the vote went by the result from each of Florida's congressional districts (15 of 23)? Because that's not relevant as the Presidential vote is done on a popular basis with the whole state. Hence why there was a big deal with a variance of only a few hundred votes across the whole state between the top two candidates and why Bush v Gore became a thing. You can't gerrymander an at-large electorate. Different counties could apply different vote counting standards, because the state of Florida had no enforced standards IIRC, but that's not gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is the re-drawing of equally-apportioned electorates to benefit one group of candidates competing across those electorates against other groups. Florida's counties aren't equally apportioned, and they aren't separate electorates for Presidential elections; they are a part of Florida at-large. Bush v Gore was controversial for reasons like vote counting and the equal protection clause, but not for gerrymandering. [editline]16th August 2015[/editline] This is gerrymandering [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Ohio_US_Congressional_District_1_%28since_2013%29.tif/lossless-page1-800px-Ohio_US_Congressional_District_1_%28since_2013%29.tif.png[/img] Florida 2000 wasn't.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48467916]How did you come up with the idea that counties had their votes thrown out? Why do you refer to them as districts and not counties? What, did you read the statistic where Bush would have won if the vote went by the result from each of Florida's congressional districts (15 of 23)? Because that's not relevant as the Presidential vote is done on a popular basis with the whole state. Hence why there was a big deal with a variance of only a few hundred votes across the whole state between the top two candidates and why Bush v Gore became a thing. You can't gerrymander an at-large electorate. Different counties could apply different vote counting standards, because the state of Florida had no enforced standards IIRC, but that's not gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is the re-drawing of equally-apportioned electorates to benefit one group of candidates competing across those electorates against other groups. Florida's counties aren't equally apportioned, and they aren't separate electorates for Presidential elections; they are a part of Florida at-large. Bush v Gore was controversial for reasons like vote counting and the equal protection clause, but not for gerrymandering. [editline]16th August 2015[/editline] This is gerrymandering [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Ohio_US_Congressional_District_1_%28since_2013%29.tif/lossless-page1-800px-Ohio_US_Congressional_District_1_%28since_2013%29.tif.png[/img] Florida 2000 wasn't.[/QUOTE] That gerrymandering isn't even that bad. [t]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2014/05/crimes-against-geography.png&w=1484[/t]
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48467995]That gerrymandering isn't even that bad. [t]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2014/05/crimes-against-geography.png&w=1484[/t][/QUOTE] [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Maryland_US_Congressional_District_3_%28since_2013%29.tif/lossless-page1-1920px-Maryland_US_Congressional_District_3_%28since_2013%29.tif.png[/IMG]
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