I started learning GIMP years back simply because Photoshop was too goddamn expensive, and pirating it was almost always a risk.
Besides that, you don't need a heavy and super powerful piece of software for basic image editing.
For what I usually do, GIMP does it all and is relatively easy to use. And it's free. And it's available on multiple platforms.
I could see using Photoshop if image editing is your job, or if you're something like a graphic designer/illustrator, but if you're not part of any industry, why should you care about what industry standard is?
[QUOTE=Octopod;49168472]
[sp]why the fuck does Photoshop not yet have a "color to alpha" tool?[/sp][/QUOTE]
It is in photoshop, it's just listed as a selection tool. Choose the color and it will select every area with said color and you can change some settings like making the selected edges more smoothed out. Then you can fill the color you want using any of the tools you want to use in that situation. Or, you know, just press the del key.
Does GIMP even have all those fancy features when changing the position and size of something, I doubt that.
asked a graphic designer I work with about GIMP, they just sort of grimaced and wrinkled their face like I'd just vomited on the floor in front of them
[QUOTE=paul simon;49170241]Not everything is simple, so it simply won't happen.[/QUOTE]
But everything should be made as simple as possible. What we have now is far from it.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;49168399]I'm never switching from GIMP, it sits at under 200mb, its free, multi-platform and it does everything I need it to do.
Its appalling that proprietary software is considered the industry standard.[/QUOTE]
Why is there so much hate for proprietary stuff in the software world? No one bats an eyelid at proprietary CPUs, proprietary car engine designs, proprietary drug formulas, and all other kinds of proprietary products. What makes proprietary software so special that it deserves to be called out on its own?
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49170357]Why is there so much hate for proprietary stuff in the software world? No one bats an eyelid at proprietary CPUs, proprietary car engine designs, proprietary drug formulas, and all other kinds of proprietary products. What makes proprietary software so special that it deserves to be called out on its own?[/QUOTE]
People hate the other stuff as well it's just software is much easier for people to come up with free alternatives.
[QUOTE=willtheoct;49168533]:v:
You all must be terrible with these programs.
GIMP is on par with photoshop, but a good graphics designer will use BOTH. Each program has nice features that the other doesn't.
As for blender, yes, you have to get used to it, much like you would need to learn Max/Maya. Most modellers would agree that after learning max/maya, blender is a walk in the park once you learn how to hit spacebar, and becomes the ultimate modelling tool.[/QUOTE]
Blender can easily compete with 3DS Max or Maya. I found the interface of the Autodesk programs to be even more of a mess compared to Blender's
I personally use both. They both are good. GIMP is better than photoshop in terms of making convenient GIFs and photoshop is better with greater filter options and neat tools like liquify.
I had no idea Facepunch was filled with people that use inferior software.
Yeah no guys it's totally viable in industry!!!
Let's take a look at the industry shall we?
Oh wait,
nobody uses it
[QUOTE=Mitsuma;49170113]Whats so funny about that? Blender is not industry standard but it does indeed have very good modeling tools and there has been a couple of opinions from professionals that would prefer Blenders modelling workflow and tools over 3DS Max etc.
As for GIMP, used it in the past, hated its interface and how complicated it makes some easy processes. Went back to Photoshop.
Kinda funny because it is like the other way around for me with Blender and 3DS Max, never got into that because Blender just has things easier accessible once you understand it better.[/QUOTE]
claiming it is the "ultimate" is funny because there can be no such thing
No sane person will use one piece of software for making complicated 3D art. They're gonna use many. Blender can't do what a standard modeling program, zbrush, and substance can all do combined. So how could it possibly be ultimate? If it was we wouldn't need to ever export a model. Being hyperbolic in regards to what a piece of software can do is silly.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;49170441]Problem 1 with GIMP is that people shout photoshop replacement way too often.[/QUOTE]
Because that's basically what it is? They're both image manipulation programs, it makes sense to compare them just like you'd compare LibreOffice to Microsoft Office.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;49170413]I had no idea Facepunch was filled with people that use inferior software.
Yeah no guys it's totally viable in industry!!!
Let's take a look at the industry shall we?
Oh wait,
nobody uses it[/QUOTE]as someone who prefers the inferior thing and would gladly use it in pro level work, why would i or anyone else need to give a half-baked shit about "the industry"?
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;49170413]I had no idea Facepunch was filled with people that use inferior software.
Yeah no guys it's totally viable in industry!!!
Let's take a look at the industry shall we?
Oh wait,
nobody uses it[/QUOTE]
Because it's open-source and people would rather stick with what they trust and know has a support line, countless tutorials and more.
Popularity doesn't change whether it's viable or not. If you disagree, feel free to tell me what important necessary feature GIMP lacks compared to Photoshop, and why I should bother going through the expensive process of obtaining a legal copy.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;49170413]I had no idea Facepunch was filled with people that use inferior software.
Yeah no guys it's totally viable in industry!!!
Let's take a look at the industry shall we?
Oh wait,
nobody uses it[/QUOTE]
Who gives a fuck about the industry except for people [I]in[/I] the industry?
For average people like us it works, we use it, and we don't have to pay out the ass for it (or pirate it).
But please do convince me why I should give Adobe money every month or risk a lawsuit to do the same things I can already do.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;49170413]I had no idea Facepunch was filled with people that use inferior software.
Yeah no guys it's totally viable in industry!!!
Let's take a look at the industry shall we?
Oh wait,
nobody uses it[/QUOTE]
except it's not really " inferior " at all
They've got comparable features. Sure, one might not be used to the kinks of a certain software over the other - but it's not a clear case of "better and shittier"
The industry doesn't necessarily base its standard on the best thing ever, as standards tend to be rather static. Of course autodesk software and photoshop dominate the industry - no worthy competitor has been around before! And even if one comes int othe spotlight, why would they waste money switching to what could be a better software if it actually requires a money investment?
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;49170413]I had no idea Facepunch was filled with people that use inferior software.
Yeah no guys it's totally viable in industry!!!
Let's take a look at the industry shall we?
Oh wait,
nobody uses it[/QUOTE]
And what about those who aren't part of "the industry?"
What about those who want to have more than what MS Paint offers for basic/intermediate image editing, but don't need all the bells and whistles (and high memory usage) that Photoshop has?
What about those who want to edit images on Linux?
What about those who simply don't want to pay $10/month for Photoshop just for basic/intermediate image editing?
Not everyone is a professional image editor, or works with images in an industry or in a professional sense.
Photoshop is better than GIMP on a technical level, but not everyone needs every single thing in Photoshop. Also, just because something is technically better than another thing doesn't mean it's the answer to everything within its field.
I know your post was more than likely just a shitpost, but I figured I'd take a stab at it anyway.
I use GIMP because I only do light image manipulation. I don't need Photoshop to arrange a spritesheet.
May I posit that in the 'free photoshop alternatives' category, GIMP my be outstripped by [URL="https://krita.org/"]Krita[/URL], at least if you have a tablet of some type?
Free, open source, reads/writes .psd files, works in various color spaces, has excellent brush control, symmetry and wraparound modes, line tools, and native support to paint normalmaps using pen tilt?
I might be biased since I do a lot of texture painting, but I'm finding it open alongside PS given that it does all manner of things that PS can't. I'm not sure about supplanting adobe, but I'll make something work in Krita before I touch the GIMP.
[QUOTE=Lt_C;49170710]May I posit that in the 'free photoshop alternatives' category, GIMP my be outstripped by [URL="https://krita.org/"]Krita[/URL], at least if you have a tablet of some type?
Free, open source, reads/writes .psd files, works in various color spaces, has excellent brush control, symmetry and wraparound modes, line tools, and native support to paint normalmaps using pen tilt?
I might be biased since I do a lot of texture painting, but I'm finding it open alongside PS given that it does all manner of things that PS can't. I'm not sure about supplanting adobe, but I'll make something work in Krita before I touch the GIMP.[/QUOTE]
This is more of a painting program though. I know gimp tries to do both image editing and painting but I feel gimp is geared more towards image editing. It's been a while since I used photoshop but I would imagine it's the same thing there.
[QUOTE=Lt_C;49170710]May I posit that in the 'free photoshop alternatives' category, GIMP my be outstripped by [URL="https://krita.org/"]Krita[/URL], at least if you have a tablet of some type?
Free, open source, reads/writes .psd files, works in various color spaces, has excellent brush control, symmetry and wraparound modes, line tools, and native support to paint normalmaps using pen tilt?
I might be biased since I do a lot of texture painting, but I'm finding it open alongside PS given that it does all manner of things that PS can't. I'm not sure about supplanting adobe, but I'll make something work in Krita before I touch the GIMP.[/QUOTE]
Krita is a painting program, not really an image manipulation program.
However, because they're both free, it's easy as pie to use both. One of GIMP's weaknesses compared to Photoshop is its digital painting abilities; Krita definitely covers that gap.
Why not set aside all this hostility and remember this good moment.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/eeq6han.png[/t]
Green Is My Pepper.
I was using gimp for five years since it was the tool that I was taught in elementary school, and I remember when I switched to photoshop it was like someone took a stone off my shoulder. I know I will piss a lot of people off because I dont know how yo describe the difference, but it seems like everything in photoshop [i]just works[/i], from the smear tool to fucking eraser all the algorithms behind all the tools work 100% better then their gimp counterparts. Sure, I guess that if you are like a 10 year+ gimp user you have probably gotten used to it and found the way to compensate for that, but for me i pretty much means that I started making cool looking shit with half the effort it took me to make bad looking shit in GIMP
Dont get me wrong i have nothing against open software, I use blender regularly and I wouldnt switch it for anything else, its just how I see it
gimp can't edit raw images as well and hdr is extremely important in photography, film/tv, and games
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49169259]photoshop is more affordable than most people would think, you can get the adobe subscription for fairly cheap and you can get a hefty student discount for having a college email if you're working to be a designer through college
[editline]23rd November 2015[/editline]
if it did everything everyone wanted it would be used by everyone[/QUOTE]
True, but unless you need it for school or work Paint.net or GIMP is probably enough for any light-moderate image manipulation that needs to be done.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;49170413]I had no idea Facepunch was filled with people that use inferior software.
Yeah no guys it's totally viable in industry!!!
Let's take a look at the industry shall we?
Oh wait,
nobody uses it[/QUOTE]
Nice, I really like how you laid out all of the evidence on software used by the industry and didn't just blurt out some popular opinion you hear parroted around by people not in the industry.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;49171052]gimp can't edit raw images as well and hdr is extremely important in photography, film/tv, and games[/QUOTE]
Neither can Photoshop - raw images are run through a converter called Adobe Camera RAW before Photoshop can process it.
Such converters also exist for GIMP, such as UFRAW. Many cameras also come with their own software to convert raw images.
Just another case of you all not bothering to learn how to use the program then announcing it as "inferior".
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;49170413]I had no idea Facepunch was filled with people that use inferior software.
Yeah no guys it's totally viable in industry!!!
Let's take a look at the industry shall we?
Oh wait,
nobody uses it[/QUOTE]
You Photoshop elitists are ridiculous. You can act like Photoshop blows GIMP out of the water with it's features alone (which it probably does), but at the same time GIMP isn't relying on millions of people pirating it to maintain it's 'Industry Standard' title. GIMP is free, which should mean that it's the household name for image manipulation, but it's not, because even though Photoshop costs a shitload, it's perfectly normal, and even expected that you pirate it.
Photoshop is an excellent tool, but you're paying for every feature, and if you're not, then how can you argue that it's 'superior' when using it legally is unacceptable to you? I hate the culture surrounding Photoshop, because you [I]are[/I] expected to use it if you do any media work (which I do), so you either cough up the cash for it, or you risk your computer's safety to pirate it. But whatever, that's no big deal because it's the 'Industry Standard'.
Any argument for Photoshop is immediately undercut by the assumption that you steal it first. GIMP isn't costing me £150 a year (with student discount) to use, my Adobe subscription is. That alone is the reason that I'll continue to rely on GIMP first, and Photoshop if necessary.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;49170552]as someone who prefers the inferior thing and would gladly use it [B]in pro level work[/B], why would i or anyone else need to give a half-baked shit about "the industry"?[/QUOTE]
Because if you were working with clients as freelance who later request you to send them the .PSD of the project but oh wait, you used GIMP. That .PSD doesn't exist and now your client is mad. What if the client gives you a .PSD and you can't open it? Apparently Adobe is making it harder to import/open .PSD files on GIMP on the newer Photoshop versions. [url]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2294811[/url]
Photoshop is known to be an "industry-standard" because the vast majority of the people in the industry uses it.
If the client only asked for a .PNG then you can use whatever the fuck you want. The client doesn't care what they use, all they care about is you doing the work and delivering what they want on time.
[QUOTE=garychencool;49171323]Because if you were working with clients as freelance who later request you to send them the .PSD of the project but oh wait, you used GIMP. That .PSD doesn't exist and now your client is mad.
Photoshop is known to be an "industry-standard" because the vast majority of the people in the industry uses it.
If the client only asked for a .PNG then you can use whatever the fuck you want. The client doesn't care what they use, all they care about is you doing the work and delivering what they want on time.[/QUOTE]
You can import and export to .PSD in GIMP
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;49171373]You can import and export to .PSD in GIMP[/QUOTE]
[url]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2294811[/url]
Adobe is making it harder to import PSDs
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