NPR interviews the millionaire job creators who will be hurt by the Millionaire Surtax - except they - Polidicks

No matter what, I think we can all agree that raising the taxes on the rich who are already be coddled by Congress as it is, is a good idea.

[QUOTE=Lazor;33678456][url]http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/12/09/143398685/gop-objects-to-millionaires-surtax-millionaires-we-found-not-so-much[/url] ctrl-f "feature" 0 of 0 come back when you [b]read the fucking article that is being discussed[/b][/QUOTE] That isn't the fucking OP article. Either way the original article is still done poorly because the only opposition they even mention is some shithead congressman named Thune. How about they post some average people who claim to be affected, and then scrutinize their claim in an honest fashion, instead of simply hiding the opposition. [editline]12th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=The Baconator;33678541]No matter what, I think we can all agree that raising the taxes on the rich who are already be coddled by Congress as it is, is a good idea.[/QUOTE] Yea, my only complaint is that I feel the NPR article wasn't done honestly.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33679302]That isn't the fucking OP article. Either way the original article is still done poorly because the only opposition they even mention is some shithead congressman named Thune. How about they post some average people who claim to be affected, and then scrutinize their claim in an honest fashion, instead of simply hiding the opposition.[/QUOTE] No but it's mentioned by the article OP posted, see? [QUOTE=Zeke129;33659217]Source - [url=http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/where-are-the-millionaire-job-creators-npr-does-the-big-hunt]CEPR.net[/url] (and NPR) So Republicans are rallying against the "millionaire surtax", saying it will hurt the economy by going after job creators. So NPR heads out to interview these job creators and... [release][b]The Republicans have substituted "job creator" for the word "rich" in discussions of tax policy.[/b] It is absolute standard practice for them to object to taxing people who have money by saying that this will reduce job creation. Since this claim has become so central in policy debates, Morning Edition decided to do what any reasonable news organization might do: see if it is true. [b]Morning Edition called the Republican party and asked to be put in contact with some tax burdened job creators. [highlight]They were unable to provide anyone for NPR to interview.[/highlight] NPR then contacted several of the business lobbies who have been complaining that higher taxes would impede job growth. [highlight]These organizations were also unable to find any job creators who would speak to NPR.[/highlight][/b] NPR then put in a request to talk to job creators on Facebook. It got several responses from small business owners. [b]The ones featured on its [url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/12/09/143398685/gop-objects-to-millionaires-surtax-millionaires-we-found-not-so-much]segment[/url] said that the personal tax rate would affect their disposable income but would have [highlight]no effect on their hiring.[/highlight] This is pretty much what economic theory would predict.[/b][/release][/QUOTE] See the blue [I]segment[/I] Or are you nitpicking again?

who gives a shit if it's the article in the OP? it's the article being discussed and you spent a large portion of the thread not actually reading what you were criticizing. And then you have the audacity to preach to people about "critically thinking about sources" . Way to go, champ. and the point of the article isn't to search for the opinions of "some average people who claim to be affected". The argument is about millionaires so what the fuck could the "average person" say about that. They aren't hiding any opposing opinions, they are stated pretty damn clearly what the claims of the GOP are, which is that it would hurt millionaire "job creators" ability to hire, so i guess NPR thought it might be prudent to, i don't know, [b]ask some fucking millionaire business owners what they think about these claims[/b]. except they couldn't find any to support those claims. and given NPR's track record, there is no reason to believe they were deceitful or "didn't try hard enough"

[QUOTE=Lazor;33674705]and the NPR article says they couldn't find any congratulations, the burden of proof is now on you to prove that NPR is lying through their teeth[/QUOTE] It never said they didn't find any on the Facebook page

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33679302]That isn't the fucking OP article.[/QUOTE] lol what the hell is your problem yes it is, it's part of the article I quoted and even made the link work in my post because I knew people like you wouldn't find it if I didn't [editline]11th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33679787]It never said they didn't find any on the Facebook page[/QUOTE] Yeah it said they DID find some business owners who responded, and they DIDN'T say that the tax would affect hiring I even PUT THIS IN THE POST

Obama is engaging in BLATANT class warfare. How has this ever been acceptable?

[QUOTE=Lazor;33679528]who gives a shit if it's the article in the OP? it's the article being discussed and you spent a large portion of the thread not actually reading what you were criticizing. And then you have the audacity to preach to people about "critically thinking about sources" . Way to go, champ. and the point of the article isn't to search for the opinions of "some average people who claim to be affected". The argument is about millionaires so what the fuck could the "average person" say about that. They aren't hiding any opposing opinions, they are stated pretty damn clearly what the claims of the GOP are, which is that it would hurt millionaire "job creators" ability to hire, so i guess NPR thought it might be prudent to, i don't know, [b]ask some fucking millionaire business owners what they think about these claims[/b]. except they couldn't find any to support those claims. and given NPR's track record, there is no reason to believe they were deceitful or "didn't try hard enough"[/QUOTE] Maybe it was just the wording of the CERP article that was really shitty. Also, I'm not exactly sure what they were searching for. First you say millionaires, but it said in the article they looked for small business owners on facebook. The examples they provided were of small business owners. Either way, I still find it incredibly unlikely that they couldn't find a few people to claim the opposite. I mean, I could claim Herman Cain as an example of opposition. I'm not saying that they have to be completely unbiased, since higher taxes on millionaires would be a good thing. However, that opposition should still be there, so you can honestly and intellectually confront their argument.

[B]Except Herman Cain isn't a small business owner[/B] and how much money he makes has no difference on the business and it doesn't have flow though taxation.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33680189]Either way, I still find it incredibly unlikely that they couldn't find a few people to claim the opposite.[/QUOTE] Find guys, post 'em, email NPR, see what the reaction is, and quit bitching until you're willing to [I]actually[/I] challenge the article in question rather than just claim the outcome is impossible. That's what a legitimate skeptic would do. What you're doing is denialism.

You're all pointing at the other side and saying "YOU DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH" I'm just going to sit here and say, yes. You both don't know the fucking truth. But most likely, NPR's inability to find anyone who had an honest complaint(because a dishonest complaint is what we already have as "evidence" of this) is just a sign that this isn't the biggest deal to these people.

[QUOTE=Contag;33680267][B]Except Herman Cain isn't a small business owner[/B] and how much money he makes has no difference on the business and it doesn't have flow though taxation.[/QUOTE] They were searching for millionaires according to the article. [quote=NPR]They were unable to produce a single millionaire job creator for us to interview.[/quote] Then they were searching for small business owners. I don't even know what they were truly searching for because the article didn't really make it clear. [editline]12th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Xenocidebot;33680443]Find guys, post 'em, email NPR, see what the reaction is, and quit bitching until you're willing to [I]actually[/I] challenge the article in question rather than just claim the outcome is impossible. That's what a legitimate skeptic would do. What you're doing is denialism.[/QUOTE] How many emails have you sent the Republican Party? A skeptic is not necessarily a journalist.

yawmwen you dont understand how the burden of proof works at all sorry

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33681453]They were searching for millionaires according to the article. Then they were searching for small business owners. I don't even know what they were truly searching for because the article didn't really make it clear. [editline]12th December 2011[/editline] How many emails have you sent the Republican Party? A skeptic is not necessarily a journalist.[/QUOTE] No they said job creators and simply having money doesn't make you a fucking job creator all the rhetoric has been about small business owners considering they are the biggest job creators jesus christ I understand the republican party has indoctrinated people that job creator = rich but honestly I expected better

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;33681674]yawmwen you dont understand how the burden of proof works at all sorry[/QUOTE] Prove it. [QUOTE=Contag;33681707]No they said job creators and simply having money doesn't make you a fucking job creator all the rhetoric has been about small business owners considering they are the biggest job creators jesus christ I understand the republican party has indoctrinated people that job creator = rich but honestly I expected better[/QUOTE] I think NPR is the one who is confused, because they are the ones who don't even know what they are searching for.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33681822]I think NPR is the one who is confused, because they are the ones who don't even know what they are searching for.[/QUOTE] Your inability to read words and understand what they mean does not mean that the words are meaningless. [QUOTE=yawmwen;33681822]How many emails have you sent the Republican Party?[/QUOTE] I'm texting them as we speak. All of them. Every republican. It's a slow process.

Hi um yes NPR you phrased your article in a way that isn't 100% clear to someone who doesn't understand things so you must be lying prove you're not!

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;33681846]Your inability to read words and understand what they mean does not mean that the words are meaningless. [/QUOTE] Then explain it to me? They were looking for millionaire job creators, then suddenly they were waiting for small business owners to magically contact them over facebook. [QUOTE=Zeke129;33681921]Hi um yes NPR you phrased your article in a way that isn't 100% clear to someone who doesn't understand things so you must be lying prove you're not![/QUOTE] They wrote it in an astoundingly stupid way, I'm surprised any of you guys took it seriously. If it wasn't your political jackoff material, you might have actually been more critical of it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33681822]Prove it.[/QUOTE] "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges." let's break this down: a group makes the claim that x people exist npr is looking for x people npr comes back saying they can't find x people the burden of proof is not on npr to prove the nonexistence of something. if they can not find them, and a group is claiming that these people do exist, then the burden of proof must be on that group to support their claims. [editline]12th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;33682162]They wrote it in an astoundingly stupid way, I'm surprised any of you guys took it seriously. If it wasn't your political jackoff material, you might have actually been more critical of it.[/QUOTE] actually it's very clear

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;33682304]"the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges." let's break this down: a group makes the claim that x people exist npr is looking for x people npr comes back saying they can't find x people the burden of proof is not on npr to prove the nonexistence of something. if they can not find them, and a group is claiming that these people do exist, then the burden of proof must be on that group to support their claims.[/quote] Ok? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump[/url] You could also call up these guys: [url]http://conservativearmy.com/id2.html[/url] and see what they have to say.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33682351]Ok? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump[/url] You could also call up these guys: [url]http://conservativearmy.com/id2.html[/url] and see what they have to say.[/QUOTE] "The Apprentice" is not a valid representation of the American job market. Neither is the political candidate. Who the fuck does he even hire, anyway? Campaign people? Oh yeah, that's a [I]huge[/I] effect on the job market. The Cain Train has 1 less open seat.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33682162]Then explain it to me? They were looking for millionaire job creators, then suddenly they were waiting for small business owners to magically contact them over facebook.[/QUOTE] I'd explain it but your issue is so skullfuckingly asinine that it's apparent you [I]didn't actually read it.[/I] Put on your big girl panties and [I]read the [URL="https://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/12/09/143398685/gop-objects-to-millionaires-surtax-millionaires-we-found-not-so-much"]fucking article[/URL] instead of looking for nonexistent holes in it.[/I]

[QUOTE=Last or First;33682391]"The Apprentice" is not a valid representation of the American job market. Neither is the political candidate. Who the fuck does he even hire, anyway? Campaign people? Oh yeah, that's a [I]huge[/I] effect on the job market. The Cain Train has 1 less open seat.[/QUOTE] Um Herman Cain isn't a politician. He was a candidate to be one, but he spent his whole career as a businessman. Also Donald Trump is an entrepreneur who achieved a lot of success in his own field. [editline]12th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Xenocidebot;33682444]I'd explain it but your issue is so skullfuckingly asinine that it's apparent you [I]didn't actually read it.[/I] Put on your big girl panties and [I]read the [URL="https://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/12/09/143398685/gop-objects-to-millionaires-surtax-millionaires-we-found-not-so-much"]fucking article[/URL] instead of looking for nonexistent holes in it.[/I][/QUOTE] I have. You should probably read the things you post if you are going to argue about them.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33682445]Um Herman Cain isn't a politician. He was a candidate to be one, but he spent his whole career as a businessman. Also Donald Trump is an entrepreneur who achieved a lot of success in his own field. [editline]12th December 2011[/editline] I have. You should probably read the things you post if you are going to argue about them.[/QUOTE] You left out he's been bankrupt 3 times.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33682445]I have. You should probably read the things you post if you are going to argue about them.[/QUOTE] Except you clearly fucking haven't. Fine, I'm ram it down your throat. [HR][/HR] ISSUE: "Republicans objected to the 'millionaires surtax'" used to pay for something in a Dem proposal. REPUBLICAN CLAIM: "...it is a direct hit on small-business owners and other job creators." NPR's COUNTERCLAIM: The Republican claim is false, or at the least, baseless. [B]Already, the Republican claim is dismissible, being made sans evidence.[/B] However, NPR attempts to prove it false anyway. NPR's NEGATIVE PROOF: "We wanted to talk to business owners who would be affected." [B]Business owners who would be affected are defined as: -Business owners -Who are millionaires -In a position to hire[/B] "So, NPR requested help from numerous Republican congressional offices, including House and Senate leadership. They were unable to produce a single millionaire job creator for us to interview." "...we went to the business groups that have been lobbying against the surtax. Again, three days after putting in a request, none of them was able to find someone for us to talk to." NPR's METHOD CHECK: "A group called the Tax Relief Coalition said the problem was finding someone willing to talk about their personal taxes on national radio. So next we put a query on Facebook. And several business owners who said they would be affected by the "millionaires surtax" responded." NPR's REVISED NEGATIVE PROOF: A set of statements which "contradicts the arguments about job creators being made by Republicans in Congress." REPUBLICAN CRITICISM OF NEGATIVE PROOF: "Those I would say were exceptions to the rule...I think most small-business owners who are out there right now would argue that raising their taxes has the opposite effect that we would want to have in a down economy." NPR DISMISSAL OF CRITICISM: "But those small-business owners apparently don't want to talk." [HR][/HR] Now cease your blithering.