freedom of religion and all that but is political correctness really worth the lives taken by islamic terrorism and violent crime becoming more rampant now? sure not all of them are gonna be part of it but feelings shouldn't be weighted more than lives, no matter what the numbers.
[editline]8th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=RobBrown4PM;49271267]How is he getting away with saying thousands of Muslims in the NJ area were seen cheering when and after the towers were hit? There is a ton of evidence stating the compete opposite. How is he not being smothered with this information until he is forced out of the election campaign? In Canada a blatantly upsurd statement like that helps to get you elected out of office pretty darn quickly (I. E. Harper saying Weed is worse for you than tobacco)[/QUOTE]
thats not how evidence works
[QUOTE=OVACOBRA;49273538]bunch a god damned left wing pinko liberal commie scum in this thread makes me fuckin sick.........
trump cannot be bought out by your fucking atheist beliefs or your triple-armed gods he is a jesus-fearing warm blooded american just like all of us send these god damn darkskins back to the desert god bless
[editline]8th December 2015[/editline]
would you want to be in the same room as a murderer??? i didnt think so now lets make america great again trump2016
honestly who's gonna miss a few less towelheads in the wave-pool at seaworld plus im not really a big fan of curry[/QUOTE]
Are you serious?
I honestly can't tell because this about sums up the comments of Trump's Facebook posts.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49273973]Would you want to be so sheltered/monitored/controlled/"protected" from life that you're not really living at all?
I'll take a free life with risks than a sheltered life with none any day of the week.[/QUOTE]
so you [I]are[/I] saying that human lives are worth less than some feelings
These Nazi comparisons are getting ridiculous guys, Donald Trump is an imbecile but he's a long fucking way from being literally Hitler.
[QUOTE=Rummy.SM;49273704]I'll bite. why do you think trump is right.[/QUOTE]
It's a gimmick don't even acknowledge it
[QUOTE=Pazzda;49274094]so you [I]are[/I] saying that human lives are worth less than some feelings[/QUOTE]
The human lives of several million American Muslims and Syrians seeking refuge in a country built by the ostracized are worth much more than the feeling of fear that those millions of people are out to get us
[QUOTE=Pazzda;49273771]freedom of religion and all that but is political correctness really worth the lives taken by islamic terrorism and violent crime becoming more rampant now? sure not all of them are gonna be part of it but feelings shouldn't be weighted more than lives, no matter what the numbers.
[editline]8th December 2015[/editline]
thats not how evidence works[/QUOTE]
Freedom of speech and all but is hateful bigory really worth the lives taken by racist terrorism and violent crime becoming more rampant now? sure not all of them are gonna be part of it but feelings shouldn't be weighted more than lives, no matter the numbers
[editline]8th December 2015[/editline]
Nah, that'd be skeleton talk...But with muslims it's different I assure you
[QUOTE=Pazzda;49273771]freedom of religion and all that but is political correctness really worth the lives taken by islamic terrorism and violent crime becoming more rampant now? sure not all of them are gonna be part of it but feelings shouldn't be weighted more than lives, no matter what the numbers.
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The US Constitution, the Bill of Rights specifically, is indeed worth more than lives in my view. I would like to live free than have a very controlling government dictating what I can say or do all the time. If we are required to sacrifice the Bill of Rights for safety then it isn't worth it. Because in the end you will neither be safe nor have freedoms/rights.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49274108]These Nazi comparisons are getting ridiculous guys, Donald Trump is an imbecile but he's a long fucking way from being literally Hitler.[/QUOTE]
The Hitler comparison is super watered down from people overusing it, but there's something about a politician promising to make a country great again by blaming a semitic minority for its problems and planning to persecute them that's just really, really, Hitleresque.
So it's not that we're saying that Donald Trump is Hitler.
He's Hitler[i]esque[/i].
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49269285]-Special ID Badges
-Mass deportation
-Segregating communities
-Mass surveillance from secret police
-Warrantless searches, seizures, and arrests for Muslims
-Executing entire families
-Banning Muslims from coming to America full-stop[/QUOTE]
I'm okay with this.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49276725]
You see, the thing is, he's not an imbecile. He's fucking smart as hell. He knows his demographic, he knows he's not going to get any votes from the left, period, his primary goal is to out talk every republican candidate so that they'll essentially be forced to put him up as the candidate. And in that sense he's a god damned genius. Terrifying? Yes. Racist as fuck? Yes. Ignorant as fuck? Yes. But idiot? No, not by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
Except he's ostracizing the entire moderate Republican base. Even some of the more right wing GOP members are discouraged by his radically right wing speeches.
He may have the most of any candidate, but overall, a whopping 65% of the GOP base are voting for Not Trump.
[editline]8th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SexyBeast70;49276756]I'm okay with this.[/QUOTE]
Congratulations, you agree with fascism.
trump is why i wish more left wing people would form militias
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49276919]trump is why i wish more left wing people would form militias[/QUOTE]
Because if there's anything that will bridge the gulf between the left and right wing in this country, it's instigating a literal arms race.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ESqAt3T.png[/img]
I lost some brain cells with a Trump supporter over this.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49276919]trump is why i wish more left wing people would form militias[/QUOTE]
Stalin was left wing and that sure turned out great didn't it?
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;49276952]Because if there's anything that will bridge the gulf between the left and right wing in this country, it's instigating a literal arms race.[/QUOTE]
if worst came to worst, would you stand by idly as your fellow countrymen are carted off to camps because of their religion and the color of their skin? if it comes to that i feel safe in assuming something went horribly wrong somewhere along the way and traditional political methods would not work.
So what is Trump's plan about Muslims currently in the US that are under Visa? Should ever this ban be passed?
Nothing like a deportation plan.
Even if Trump magically gets elected, we have a system of checks and balances that would prevent him from consolidating power by appealing amendments and the like. If Trump cant get support from the rest of his party, what makes you think he could just do things like this once he's president? Remember how long it took to pass Obamacare? Remember the government shutdown? Do you think with both parties against him, Trump could get away with something like this?
Here's the thing: I'd agree with more rigorous screening of people coming out of warzones as that can be only seen as commonsense. Realistically though, any form of Islamic stooge which people are expecting to enter the United States via the current immigration program is not thinking logically or strategically.
It is true that radicals are entering the country via immigration, but that's a given for any group/nationality. We have several radical Christian, Buddhist, and otherwise, hell we use to train quiet a few radicals on our soil in the School of the Americas and trained some radical Tibetan Buddhist in camps in Colorado and Montana. At this current moment in time, the United States has IIRC, roughly three to five radical Islamist training camps on the east coast. Three of said training camps actually send their own militia groups to the US-Mexican border in order to aid Christian militias with protecting the United States from the Latin-American drug cartels and threats of other islamist groups from abroad trying to enter the country via the Mexican-American border.
The other two are actually involved with groups outside of the tribal areas of Pakistan, and usually bring fighters from Pakistan to train in the United States in the secluded areas of North Carolina and the like. I'm not sure if they send militia groups to the Mexican border, but with the recent increase of ISIS affiliated groups being busted at the border, it would probably be within their interest to help out down there. Does this mean these groups should be watched with a careful eye? Of course. It's done for most of the Militia Movement, why not them?
As for immigration though, the real battleground is our border. We need to actually dedicate supplies and manpower in order to defend our soil instead of constantly bombing Syria and the like. Not only to ensure the safety of our country, but also to remove the more vigilante type justice that is ongoing along the US-Mexican border areas. It comes down to an argument of the following: Would you rather have an actual secure border, which has regulated police and military forces monitoring it? Or would you rather have a bunch of militia groups which already have sporadic gun battles with the cartels, guarding it?
It is also worth noting that if groups like ISIS are transporting weapons and equipment via the border, it can turn into a case of American militias capping the transporting groups, and then you have a bunch of militias armed with actual military grade equipment and not just the occasional shipment of marijuana which is "confiscated by civilian enforcement"
So yeah. Piss off a bunch of people from the Middle East and effectively do nothing worthwhile... Or actually do something regarding protecting our own soil - starting at the borders, and preventing gear and radicals from ever entering the country in the first place. Because ya' know... If people are coming to break the law in the first place, why put yourself in the eyes of the government in the first place by trying to migrate to the United States :v:
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49277822]democrats are more likely to be pushovers than republicans, not to mention he still has a pretty big fanbase[/QUOTE]
That fanbase doesnt matter though when he's actually in office. Unless he has a bunch of fans from the house and the senate, he's not going anywhere. And I dont see how you would think dems would be pushovers about legislature proposing this considering the strong backlash they've given it.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49269345][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/19/donald-trump-wont-rule-out-warrantless-searches-id-cards-for-american-muslims/[/url]
Goes into just a few off the horrying "extreme" and "drastic" measures that Trump promises. "We will have to do things in this country that we never thought we had to."[/QUOTE]
I'm all for mocking Trump for the idiot that he is, but that article doesn't really source any of the things you accused him of.
At the current moment Soaring, the Republicans control the House and the Senate. Some polls have shown they'll retain control past 2016, and with the current Democrat parties main lines being already fulfilled and most "big issues" with Democrats have been wishwashy at best with a divide between supporters of Hillary and Sanders, it's not far off to state that the Republicans may win in 2016.
Not to mention that both of the mainstream candidates for the Democrat party are showing off characteristics which are unappealing to voters. Hillary is a corporate shill with a track record for supporting treasonous activities like aiding the funneling of weapons to radicals in the Middle East which have gotten our own people hurt and killed. Bernie Sanders is someone who lacks a backbone for the most part and lets people walk all over him... Heart is in the right place, but he doesn't pick bones enough to show as someone useful. Not to mention his entry into the senate in the early 1990's was financed by the NRA. You can only start to imagine how Hillary and her butt-buddies in the media are going to try and use that against him when the real campaigns start going into fullswing.
So yeah. You are going to see the two Democrat candidates launch full out offensives on each other, which will drain their funds and leave the GOP with an already well liked candidate to only maintain very well-thought punches and kicks regarding finances. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are the worst thing that could of happened to the Democrat party in terms of actual elections. It's not only going to open the gates for the GOP, but its going to possibly cost the Democrat party more seats in the House and Senate, thanks to their inability to maintain finances where it matters.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;49277399][img]http://i.imgur.com/ESqAt3T.png[/img]
I lost some brain cells with a Trump supporter over this.[/QUOTE]
He said he definitely would not support internment camps...
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49277931]At the current moment Soaring, the Republicans control the House and the Senate. Some polls have shown they'll retain control past 2016, and with the current Democrat parties main lines being already fulfilled and most "big issues" with Democrats have been wishwashy at best with a divide between supporters of Hillary and Sanders, it's not far off to state that the Republicans may win in 2016.
Not to mention that both of the mainstream candidates for the Democrat party are showing off characteristics which are unappealing to voters. Hillary is a corporate shill with a track record for supporting treasonous activities like aiding the funneling of weapons to radicals in the Middle East which have gotten our own people hurt and killed. Bernie Sanders is someone who lacks a backbone for the most part and lets people walk all over him... Heart is in the right place, but he doesn't pick bones enough to show as someone useful. Not to mention his entry into the senate in the early 1990's was financed by the NRA. You can only start to imagine how Hillary and her butt-buddies in the media are going to try and use that against him when the real campaigns start going into fullswing.
So yeah. You are going to see the two Democrat candidates launch full out offensives on each other, which will drain their funds and leave the GOP with an already well liked candidate to only maintain very well-thought punches and kicks regarding finances. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are the worst thing that could of happened to the Democrat party in terms of actual elections. It's not only going to open the gates for the GOP, but its going to possibly cost the Democrat party more seats in the House and Senate, thanks to their inability to maintain finances where it matters.[/QUOTE]
Not every repbulican is going to support every bill made by a republican. A bill like this would set off alarms for people. And Trump doesn't have a method for consolidating his power and making a fascist state. Hitler practically had a personal army and preached nationalism far more blatant and powerful than Trump's. Not to mention Germany was reeling from WWI and their economy was in shambles (80 billion marks for a 1lb loaf of bread). Not to mention Germans didn't have the internet. Not to mention we have a 2-party system and not a parliament. Not to mention we have a two-party system which wouldn't allow for a new third party to rise up and practically take the house/senate hostage by walking out during meetings, thus preventing them from reaching any conclusions that aren't satisfactory to the party.
the more closer we get to finalists for presidential runners, the more they express their personal opinions on serious issues. give it a couple months and i'd be surprised if anyone but a heavily conservative bigot would vote for this guy.
give it time and the closer the candidates get to the deadline they'll drop out or start to push hard to win. hopefully it'll be him dropping out.
another reason to hate trump (play in 2x speed)
[video=youtube;RDrfE9I8_hs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs[/video]
just can't shut up about china
Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says china or muslim/islam in a speech.
[QUOTE=SexyBeast70;49276756]I'm okay with this.[/QUOTE]
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[URL="http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/niyi-osudare-not-my-business/"]What business of mine is it
So long they don’t take the yam
From my savouring mouth?[/URL]
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[QUOTE=sgman91;49277923]I'm all for mocking Trump for the idiot that he is, but that article doesn't really source any of the things you accused him of.[/QUOTE]
It's the Washington Post, a fully credible news organization with a long history. Short of pouring through hours of campaign footage and interviews to make a custom highlight reel, this is as about as close to "sourcing" his statements as I can realistically be expected to provide.
[quote]Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who has called for expanded surveillance of American Muslims, is refusing to rule out extreme measures that include warrantless searches or faith-based identification requirements.
"We're going to have to do things that we never did before. Some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule,” Trump told Yahoo News in an interview published Thursday. “And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”
When pressed on whether these measures might include tracking Muslim Americans in a database or noting their religious affiliations on identification cards, Trump would not go into detail -- but did not reject the options.
“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”[/quote]
[quote]The businessman has escalated his rhetoric on national security issues since the terrorist attack last week in Paris. On Monday, Trump told MSNBC that he would not rule out monitoring mosques in the United States and potentially closing them.
"Well, I would hate to do it, but it's something that you're going to have to strongly consider because some of the ideas and some of the hatred — the absolute hatred — is coming from these areas," he said.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/[/url]
[quote]Donald Trump said Wednesday that he would kill the families of terrorists in order to win the fight against ISIS.
The billionaire businessman was asked by the hosts of Fox News' "Fox and Friends" how to fight ISIS but also minimize civilian causalities when terrorists often use human shields.
"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families," Trump said.[/quote]
Then there's the outright ban called for in this very thread. It's clear the agenda that Trump is pushing, especially next to his outright fabrication of American Muslims cheering in the street on 9/11. His campaign is based around paranoid fear-mongering. He's made Muslims, and to a lesser extent, [I]all[/I] minorities scapegoats for America's woes. The man is a psychopath.
Trump is the personification of what wealth can do to a mans logic and reason. He's is a fool who knows nothing about what this country needs, and is just catering to like-minded idiots like him.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49277625]if worst came to worst, would you stand by idly as your fellow countrymen are carted off to camps because of their religion and the color of their skin? if it comes to that i feel safe in assuming something went horribly wrong somewhere along the way and traditional political methods would not work.[/QUOTE]
I agree. It is why we need new ideas for politics. The current ideas that dominant public discourse are fueling and bringing this process closer and closer. Either these ideas get destroyed with some thing unprecedented or the more things like this way be on the way.
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