[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42727712]i'm not sure whats that supposed to mean.[/QUOTE]
It's a black chick defending a dude at a KKK rally from being swarmed by a mob.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42727712]i'm not sure whats that supposed to mean.[/QUOTE]
Some black women saving a KKK member from being lynched.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42727721]It's a black chick defending a dude at a KKK rally from being swarmed by a mob.[/QUOTE]
i guess she is a shining example of a wonderful human being.
i still maintain that i don't give a shit about nazis getting shot.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42727735]i guess she is a shining example of a wonderful human being.
i still maintain that i don't give a shit about nazis getting shot.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone should die for simply holding a political belief.
A nazi might disagree with me though.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42727759]I don't think anyone should die for simply holding a political belief.
A nazi might disagree with me though.[/QUOTE]
thats the thing with nazis, they're a group that HAVE commited mass genocide on a ridiculous scale, and that was [B]exactly[/B] what their ideology supported, and would do so again if given the opportunity.
there are very few political/whatever groups that can claim that shit.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42727759]I don't think anyone should die for simply holding a political belief.
A nazi might disagree with me though.[/QUOTE]
morality gets a little more complicated when you are dealing with nazis and fascists who generally endorse violence themselves.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42727772]thats the thing with nazis, they're a group that HAVE commited mass genocide on a ridiculous scale, and that was [B]exactly[/B] what their ideology supported, and would do so again if given the opportunity.
there are very few political/whatever groups that can claim that shit.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure most political ideologies have committed genocide tbh
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;42727777]morality gets a little more complicated when you are dealing with nazis and fascists who generally endorse violence themselves.[/QUOTE]
[I]“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”[/I]
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I think its just funny that supposed anti-nazis throw the word 'subhuman' about so liberally.
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Thats all
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[I]“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”[/I]
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i totally agree with that. i do also think the opposite must be true. when fighting monsters you must beware that your "tolerance" or pacifism do not turn you into a lamb. there are ideas out there that are not deserving of tolerance and there are times when violence is necessary to protect yourself or other people who are in the crosshairs of the enemy.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42727787]I'm pretty sure most political ideologies have committed genocide tbh
I think its just funny that supposed anti-nazis throw the word 'subhuman' about so liberally.
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yeah they have, but few ardently advocate genocide like nazis have, or have it as one of their main goals.
and i agree with you that calling a nazi sub-human or anyone sub-human, while claiming to oppose nazism/fascism is horribly ironic/absurd.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42727735]i guess she is a shining example of a wonderful human being.
i still maintain that i don't give a shit about nazis getting shot.[/QUOTE]
Watch out there buddy, you might cut someone with your [i]edginess[/i].
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42727818]i totally agree with that. i do also think the opposite must be true. when fighting monsters you must beware that your "tolerance" or pacifism do not turn you into a lamb. there are ideas out there that are not deserving of tolerance and there are times when violence is necessary to protect yourself or other people who are in the crosshairs of the enemy.[/QUOTE]
condemning murder for being murder is not pacifism
Nor is recognizing that nazi's are humans too - "tolerant".
Wow antifashistischeaktion actually did something for once. Too bad they did it like utter arseholes
Are you saying drive by shootings wont cause the golden dawn to further promote their agenda?
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;42727826]Watch out there buddy, you might cut someone with your [i]edginess[/i].[/QUOTE]
there is literally nothing egdy about disliking nazis.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42727892]there is literally nothing egdy about disliking nazis.[/QUOTE]
disliking =/= condoning murder
[QUOTE=sltungle;42727500]Y'know, I beg to differ to be honest. I hate this whole attitude of, "we have to treat everyone with repsect and dignity no matter what their beliefs are." Fuck that. The second somebody starts loudly trying to reignite the ways of the Nazis I think they've scarified the ability to be seen as 'human'. That's not to say that we shouldn't give them a fair trial and treat them with basic human rights, but on a sort of societal level I no longer see those people as 'humans'.
People pull the same bullshit with things like fundamentalist Islam saying that even if you don't agree with it you have to 'respect their beliefs'. No. I have no respect whatsoever for a system of belief or the people who follow said system when it persecutes women who have been raped and has them killed should they refuse to marry their rapists. Anybody who follows or tries to justify that kind of belief system is a subhuman monster and should go die quietly in a hole somewhere.
And I know this is probably going to be an unpopular opinion so dumb bomb me. I don't fucking care.
I can't see much subjective good to the Nazis having killed 6 million Jews. I'm pretty sure that's something you could quite easily say is 'objectively wrong'.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to respect their beliefs. I implore you [i]not[/i] to respect the beliefs of Nazis and Islamists. But don't call people subhuman. Even if they are giant shitheads.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42727735]i guess she is a shining example of a wonderful human being.
i still maintain that i don't give a shit about nazis getting shot.[/QUOTE]
You sound like a nazi.
Besides, all this is great PR for Golden Dawn. They can go "See what the opposition is like, we're gonna free Greece of all this scum yadda bla-bla". They will get more votes from this.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42727777]morality gets a little more complicated when you are dealing with nazis and fascists who generally endorse violence themselves.[/QUOTE]
You guys are doing the same thing as fascists and nazis does. So how come you consider yourself better than them?
Also, national socialism and fascism aren't the same thing.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42727833]condemning murder for being murder is not pacifism
Nor is recognizing that nazi's are humans too - "tolerant".[/QUOTE]
i agree
[QUOTE=overpain;42728496]You guys are doing the same thing as fascists and nazis does. So how come you consider yourself better than them?
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i didn't shoot or kill anyone.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42728534]i agree
i didn't shoot or kill anyone.[/QUOTE]
Many anarchists did though.
I'm sure those golden dawn members didn't kill anyone.
[QUOTE=overpain;42728555]Many anarchists did though.
I'm sure those golden dawn members didn't kill anyone.[/QUOTE]
many liberals have killed people, many conservatives have killed people...
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42728600]many liberals have killed people, many conservatives have killed people...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's my point.
Calling golden dawn subhuman or condoning their number is not a good thing for anyone to say though, even if you don't agree with them.
[QUOTE=overpain;42728620]Yeah, that's my point.
Calling golden dawn subhuman or condoning their number is not a good thing for anyone to say though, even if you don't agree with them.[/QUOTE]
i never did condone their murder.
i can't speak for the actions of any other anarchist, and no anarchist can speak for me. anarchism is an ideology of passion and individualism. it's about liberty and voluntary association. these guys aren't connected to me in any way besides that ideology.
[QUOTE=certified;42727207]Are you trying to imply Golden Dawn members are not subhuman?[/QUOTE]
Blurdy blurdy killing's okay when the dead don't coincide with my views.
[QUOTE=certified;42727207]Are you trying to imply Golden Dawn members are not subhuman?[/QUOTE]
Hey remember when the nazis tried to exterminate several millions of people for no solid reason other than them being considered subhuman
Yeah
while it's not right that they were murdered i can't say i feel any sympathy
[QUOTE=overpain;42728496]You guys are doing the same thing as fascists and nazis does. So how come you consider yourself better than them?
Also, national socialism and fascism aren't the same thing.[/QUOTE]
i don't see anyone here doing anything remotely the same as fascists or nazis. how many people here are disenfranchising people based purely on their race? i guess you can try say that treating someone a certain way based on their ideals is the same, but all ideals aren't the same, and fascism/nazism is a wholly reprehensible ideal. that being said i don't believe it's right to kill them except for in extreme circumstances. and yes national socialism is the same thing it's just a more PC way of saying it
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and yeah subhuman is a stupid term
[QUOTE=certified;42727304]Neo-Nazism is not "Supposedly" bad. It just Is.[/QUOTE]
Labeling people who label people as subhuman as subhuman, nice.
Subhuman is a ridiculous term web you're referring to human beings.
Can you not see the fucking glaring contradiction?
Saying these guys are subhuman and deserve to die for their political ideologies it's exactly the kind of stunt the nazis pulled when dealing with jews. Fight ideologies with education and reasoning, not with hate.
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