Obama says fight for gun laws 'ought to obsess us' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lamar;42278240]well, what would you propose then? Having the right to own guns is one of our core foundations.[/QUOTE] how can I propose anything when the whole 'right to bear arms' thing is completely alien to me? i will never ever understand it and as such can't really provide any meaningful suggestions beyond basic logic

[QUOTE=Kigen;42277786]He passed a background check that allowed him onto the military base. And a separate one for the gun. The one that has the controversy around it is the one that allowed him onto the military base.[/QUOTE] IIRC he was a contractor on the base. Getting on base is seriously easy in and of itself. All you need is your license and registration to get a pass on base for a bit. If he had a special contractor ID, he might have just been able to show his ID at the gate and go right on in.

Gun control isnt the issue; treatment for the mentally ill is.

[QUOTE=Van-man;42277652] Catch-22 You want retards without guns? make transferring gun ownership happening with a government controlled third party no matter what. In most cases that's already done with automobiles, so why not firearms?[/QUOTE] Cars and guns aren't the same and really shouldn't be compared in that regard. Firearms registries [b]do. not. work[/b]. It's a fact of life at this point, even Canada abolished their long gun registry because it was completely useless.

The issue isn't gun control, it's mental health issues. My own brother is sitting in a jail cell, waiting for a trial over something that would've never happened had he received treatment for PTSD. He never received proper treatment while in the Army, he was discharged because their half-assed method of drugging him up and putting him in the corner didn't work, and they didn't want to deal with him anymore.

I don't know why you guys are even talking about gun control or regurgitating the utterly pointless "MENTAL HEALTH!" talking point. This is Obama saying something about gun violence because he is expected to. Nothing is actually going to come out of this except maybe a revival of that expanded background check law which does effectively nothing.

[QUOTE=and;42277911]So this post gets massive approval while FP is still full of libertarian hate and ron paul jokes? Sounds kind of like dropping yourself directly between a rock and a hard place, hating the big guys and hating the little guys who present an opportunity to break [del]2[/del] 1-party system.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's because the Libertarian party is super conservative. Nah, couldn't be.

[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;42279177]Maybe it's because the Libertarian party is super conservative. Nah, couldn't be.[/QUOTE] You really think it's that simple?

[QUOTE=areolop;42278830]Gun control isnt the issue; treatment for the mentally ill is.[/QUOTE] Controlling their access to guns might be a good idea.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42279206]Controlling their access to guns might be a good idea.[/QUOTE] yeah that also kinda comes with the whole mental health reforms thing. If someone is deemed not mentally able to safely posses a firearm, it will show up in the background check gun stores run when someone purchases a firearm.

[QUOTE=and;42279195]You really think it's that simple?[/QUOTE] You're acting like there's hypocrisy in wanting a third party in power but not the one that people here generally hardly find appealing at all.

I don't get it. What law, what proposed law would have prevented this?

[QUOTE=Van-man;42277581]Ain't it a problem that a private seller legally and easily can sell a gun to someone without conducting background checks?[/QUOTE] Unenforceable laws are useless, and devalue the rest of the body of law. There's no way police could prevent private sale. Most prominent person-to-person transactions, like gun shows and auction sites, already require it to be performed through an FFL holder who conducts a background check. Just curious, do you have any prominent examples of firearms sold through private sale being used in crime? Most of these mass shooting stories seem to boil down to 'they took the guns from someone else' or 'they somehow passed a background check', neither of which would be solved by curtailing private sale.

Can't we just impeach him and the rest of his corrupt cronies? So tired of this bs.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42279397]Can't we just impeach him and the rest of his corrupt cronies? So tired of this bs.[/QUOTE] lol

Reasonable gun laws are fine and good, but there's a major "feature creep" legislation leak going on and the media has certainly done a good job of making people very uninformed. Not exactly the best time to be making laws when everybody is as stupid, ignorant and angry as they are now. The anti-gun crowd needs to step the fuck back, stop making dumb as fuck legislation for high cap mags/semi automatic rifles, and they need to focus on making effective control legislation for the manufacture and sale of the low caliber handguns that are used in the vast majority of firearm homicides. [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;42279376]Unenforceable laws are useless, and devalue the rest of the body of law. There's no way police could prevent private sale.[/QUOTE] Mass private sale (such as gun shows) are an issue though. One can't stop under the occasional table firearm dealing, but one can stop mass events where hundreds of people are doing it.

[QUOTE=Explosions;42279415]lol[/QUOTE] oh excuse me for having a problem with our president as he runs our country into the ground and shits on the Constitution.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42279547]oh excuse me for having a problem with our president as he runs our country into the ground and shits on the Constitution.[/QUOTE] lol

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42279397]Can't we just impeach him and the rest of his corrupt cronies? So tired of this bs.[/QUOTE] Do you not like him, or do you not like congress? Congress has more power than the president.. and I dont see a majority tyranny going on

[QUOTE=areolop;42279622]Do you not like him, or do you not like congress? Congress has more power than the president.. and I dont see a majority tyranny going on[/QUOTE] I hate everyone right now. All they have done for the past 4 years is argue and bitch at each other. They need to fucking work together for once in their lives, but no, no one will compromise. ffs just give universal background checks and better treatment for the mentally ill so these horrible tragedies stop happening and keep innocents from dying. Gun control won't fix jackshit. I'd rather have the NSA spy on the ill to keep an eye on them. Treat the ill, spy on the suspects but dont bring down the common people. It really frustrates me that they are ignoring the facts. A gun is a tool, tools are not evil. Hammers are not evil, but tjey can be used as a weapon. Who would do such a thing? The mentally disturbed. Just, ffs america do something right for once. End rant.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42279659]I hate everyone right now. All they have done for the past 4 years is argue and bitch at each other. They need to fucking work together for once in their lives, but no, no one will compromise. ffs just give universal background checks and better treatment for the mentally ill so these horrible tragedies stop happening and innocents keep dying. Gun control won't fix jackshit. I'd rather have the NSA spy on the ill to keep an eye on them.[/QUOTE] universal background checks is gun control

I believe it should be the opposite, there is like over 8999 better things that are more broke and dangerous than our gun control system like say the stockpiles of nuclear waste just sitting outside all live reactors because nobody knows what the fuck to do with it

[QUOTE=Sableye;42279739]I believe it should be the opposite, there is like over 8999 better things that are more broke and dangerous than our gun control system like say the stockpiles of nuclear waste just sitting outside all live reactors because nobody knows what the fuck to do with it[/QUOTE] Use it as armor piercing rounds on Abrams tanks. No seriously they're doing that.

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;42277612]Media is the only reason why there is such a backlash against current gun laws. Stop giving gunmen attention or more people will copycat the shootings.[/QUOTE] you know the longer I think about it the less the theory that all spree killers do it for the glory makes sense.

[QUOTE=butre;42279690]universal background checks is gun control[/QUOTE] he's saying if the republicans budge on that the dems might move on mental health which has largely been ignored because of the fact that guncontrol is center stage oh also another thing we could be focused on, fixing the broken as fuck 1987 time capsule tax code that is so old that Ben styne was explaining about it in feris buler. or maybe deal with the incredibly shortsighted ban on pu238 production, which deep space exploration depends on [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Squad1993;42279749]Use it as armor piercing rounds on Abrams tanks. No seriously they're doing that.[/QUOTE] not all radioactive waste can be used like that...

Yeah, true. But the US can weaponize anything at this point. They did experiment with a flatulence bomb before. Regardless, there are hundreds of problems that are arguably more serious than gun control.

And yet people are still blaming the tools for what a person did. How come nobody praises the the paintbrush Leonardo Da Vinci used to make the Mona Lisa? Because Da Vinci made the damn art not the paintbrush. It was a tool used to do something. Those insane shooters looking for attention killed those people. Not the gun. Stop blaming guns for the actions of individuals. Do you blame a car after a drunk driver runs over a kid? No you blame the driver. Why are guns and occasionally videogames blamed when ever some dumbass do some dumbass things?

I really don't understand why so many people are against gun control

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;42279514] Mass private sale (such as gun shows) are an issue though. One can't stop under the occasional table firearm dealing, but one can stop mass events where hundreds of people are doing it.[/QUOTE] except that most sales at gunshows are from actual gun shops that just set up tables there. For even the little guys, they're still going to make you pass a background check there before they sell you a firearm. Last gunshow I went too, which was a very large one mind you, there was only 5 or 6 private sellers that weren't doing background checks out of dozens of tables. And they weren't selling your cheapo Saturday night specials; they were mostly selling historical firearms, many of which weren't even in functioning condition. [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;42279842]I really don't understand why so many people are against gun control[/QUOTE] It depends on the severity and methods used. I'm for things like background checks, but things like registries and bans, I'm against because they don't work at all.

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42279827]And yet people are still blaming the tools for what a person did. How come nobody praises the the paintbrush Leonardo Da Vinci used to make the Mona Lisa? Because Da Vinci made the damn art not the paintbrush. It was a tool used to do something. Those insane shooters looking for attention killed those people. Not the gun. Stop blaming guns for the actions of individuals. Do you blame a car after a drunk driver runs over a kid? No you blame the driver. Why are guns and occasionally videogames blamed when ever some dumbass do some dumbass things?[/QUOTE] soooo are you saying Da Vinci could have painted the Mona Lisa without a paintbrush?