Trumps head of energy is a climate change denialist
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[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51344579]Uh? I remember specifically saying, "I can't prove it," precisely I had no evidence. I do also remember saying that because people keep saying "hurr repelblicens CONSPIRAZY TIN FOIL!!!!!!111" and laughing it up made Clinton and the Democrats in general [U][I]look[/I] absolutely awful.[/U]
That's funny because I remember the DNC thread full of people pointing out Bernie supporters were pissed, Hillary goons taking phones and being dicks in the crowd, and then people chanting before being forcibly silenced. Seems like it was completely fucking obvious from the get-go, but you kool-aid drinkers who stopped just short of an actual Jonestown apparently had chronic losses of consciousness because it was a [I]constant[/I] onslaught of shady shit.
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The best and worst part about the DNC protests was when anarchists breached the fence and Fox News of all outlets made it explicitly clear that those agitators were not Sanders/Stein supporters while CNN painted Sanders supporters as violent rioters with glee live on TV.
I sure as shit won't forget that.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51344579]Uh? I remember specifically saying, "I can't prove it," precisely I had no evidence.[/quote]
Then that is why no one gave a shit. You acted like a self-aware conspiracy theorist and no one gave a shit for what you had to say.
Acknowledging the fact that you were being a conspiracy doesn't change that. It's like the statement "I'm not racist but... <Racist statement here>.", it doesn't make anything any better.
[quote]I do also remember saying that because people keep saying "hurr repelblicens CONSPIRAZY TIN FOIL!!!!!!111" and laughing it up made Clinton and the Democrats in general [U][I]look[/I] absolutely awful.[/U][/quote]
Because Republicans lost all credibility in the Benghazi hearings when they pandered to conspiracy theorists. It's like the boy who cried wolf.
[quote]That's funny because I remember the DNC thread full of people pointing out Bernie supporters were pissed, Hillary goons taking phones and being dicks in the crowd, and then people chanting before being forcibly silenced.[/quote]
Were those allegations or hard proofs? Were they just Clinton supporters being dicks or were they actually hired by Clinton? And last time I checked, no one was forcibly silenced. They allowed the protestors to chant, but the people would just talk louder and angrier.
[quote]Seems like it was completely fucking obvious from the get-go, but you kool-aid drinkers who stopped just short of an actual Jonestown apparently had chronic losses of consciousness because it was a [I]constant[/I] onslaught of shady shit.[/quote]
It was a constant onslaught of uncertain shady shit that looked like it was from Anti-Clinton. No one believed it because there was no hard evidence to suggest that Clinton or the DNC was actively suppressing Bernie supporters, and it was easy to assume that it was emotional lies especially when they delivered those arguments under an emotional breakdown.
[quote]Let me reiterate that since I know it's hard to read:[/quote]
I seriously hope that I missed something in your original post, and that this isn't another one of your passive aggressive insults. What did I forget to read?
[quote][B]Hillary Clinton lost this election because she looked shady, because Donald motherfucking Trump seemed slightly less of a slimy crook than she did.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ok who's contesting this? I'm certain everyone agrees that's exactly or part of what happened.
Donald Trump [B]appeared[/B] less corrupt than Clinton. People voted Trump.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51344661]The best and worst part about the DNC protests was when anarchists breached the fence and Fox News of all outlets made it explicitly clear that those agitators were not Sanders/Stein supporters while CNN painted Sanders supporters as violent rioters with glee live on TV.
I sure as shit won't forget that.[/QUOTE]There was an incestuous relationship between outlets like CNN and the Democrats that got worse over time, losing trust in the media made the candidate who evidently profited from their collusion seem completely awful. I feel like CNN and MSNBC just up and gave up pretending a few months ago, like everyone knew it at that point.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51344691]Then that is why no one gave a shit. You acted like a self-aware conspiracy theorist and no one gave a shit for what you had to say.
Acknowledging the fact that you were being a conspiracy doesn't change that. It's like the statement "I'm not racist but... <Racist statement here>.", it doesn't make anything any better.[/QUOTE]Right out of the gate you not only missed the point but fell off the wagon. This shitty attitude you have? This entire snippet? This is why Hillary lost. Learn to fucking deal with it or continue to live inside your own head where you're absolved of all responsibility of being a complete asshole to other people. Post after post of this shit, it's pointless to discuss anything with you because you cannot admit you and people like you pushed people to the other side or to third party.
"Where's your evidence!!!!" You even conceded at the very end that mere looks was all it took, so that entire sanctimonious post was for what? Just to argue? Enjoy the next four years, champ.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51343215]What? No Trump supporters? Again?
I guess this is going to be a trend.
Vote the man in, say he'll make america great again
sit in stunned, and shocked silence as he sells your nation out from under you for each and every lie you bought.[/QUOTE]
Most trump supporters aren't posting because they prefer not to be ridiculed en masse.
[QUOTE=.Vel;51344784]Most trump supporters aren't posting because they prefer not to be ridiculed en masse.[/QUOTE]
Never stopped them in other threads. I think in other threads they could muster up a reasonable defence. Not even trump supporters think this is a good thing.
[QUOTE=.Vel;51344784]Most trump supporters aren't posting because they prefer not to be ridiculed en masse.[/QUOTE]
I support trump and I think you're wrong.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51344799]I support trump and I think you're wrong.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=.Vel;51344784]Most trump supporters[/QUOTE]
Although, I can see what you mean. This literally can only be bad.
this just gets better by the minute
[QUOTE=.Vel;51344784]Most trump supporters aren't posting because they prefer not to be ridiculed en masse.[/QUOTE]
Maybe if their positions were more reasonable they wouldn't be ridiculed so often?
I'm pissed that we spent more time collectively as a forum arguing over Clinton's health and Trump's hands than we did on the environment or the FDA. Empty rhetoric is going to be met with empty rhetoric.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51344836]Maybe if their positions were more reasonable they wouldn't be ridiculed so often?
I'm pissed that we spent more time collectively as a forum arguing over Clinton's health and Trump's hands than we did on the environment or the FDA. Empty rhetoric is going to be met with empty rhetoric.[/QUOTE]
Positions being reasonable is completely subjective.
What you think is stupid may sound perfect for someone else, and conversely, what you think is perfect may sound stupid to another.
[QUOTE=.Vel;51344868]Positions being reasonable is completely subjective.
What you think is stupid may sound perfect for someone else, and conversely, what you think is perfect may sound stupid to another.[/QUOTE]
The way you get around subjectivity is by posting evidence. I did my best to cite my sources. I can name maybe one possible Trump supporter I engaged with over the course of this election that had the courtesy to do the same.
[QUOTE=ChinChilla;51344048]Freaking out about things that may or may not happen not even 12 hours after he is elected. You do realize that if Hillary was elected there was a very real chance of full scale nuclear war?[/QUOTE]
are you HIGH? Trump had to ask THREE TIMES why it wasn't okay to FUCKING USE NUKES, and he lived through tHTE COLD GODDAMN WAR
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51344758]Right out of the gate you not only missed the point but fell off the wagon. This shitty attitude you have? This entire snippet? This is why Hillary lost.[/quote]
Hillary Clinton lost because she was unelectable. Hillary Clinton lost because people started believing Trump's lies. Hillary Clinton lost because Trump's campaign was based on anger and fear, while Clinton's was based on love and tolerance, which apparently translates to Americans as "Allow ISIS into our country".
[quote]Learn to fucking deal with it or continue to live inside your own head where you're absolved of all responsibility of being a complete asshole to other people. Post after post of this shit, it's pointless to discuss anything with you because you cannot admit you and people like you pushed people to the other side or to third party.[/quote]
I have dealt with it. I never cried regarding the results, I was never disappointed. My emotional response to Trump winning was "Shit man, things will change for the worse." Hell, I had an upset stomach from these terrible jalapeno peppers I ate earlier and that gave me a more intense emotional response than the results of this election.
But if you think that it was unreasonable for people to hear "DNC IS RIGGED. CLINTON IS CORRUPT. I HAVE NO PROOF BUT IT'S TRUE." and look away then I don't know what else I can say here.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;51344794]Never stopped them in other threads. I think in other threads they could muster up a reasonable defence. Not even trump supporters think this is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Not on a side here, but what about the fact that Facepunch is 99% anti-Trump? Kind of hard to argue a position when they're surrounded by the other team.
You'll never have tesla as head of energy for the US, That would be a hell of a change of thinking in terms of getting things done.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51343186]We still have Elon Musk with Tesla and Solar City to guide us to the light
How ironic it will be the private interests trying to save us now.[/QUOTE]
We need more engineers and scientist in politics.
[QUOTE=.Vel;51344868]Positions being reasonable is completely subjective.
What you think is stupid may sound perfect for someone else, and conversely, what you think is perfect may sound stupid to another.[/QUOTE]
All opinions aren't equal - in this thread for example, you have Trump's idea called "Climate change was created by and for the Chinese to sabotage US manufacturing" (paraphrasing, but it's close) against this thing called "the scientific consensus".
Now we could also have a discussion where Trump or someone else claimed that gravity didn't exist, the earth was flat, and small green pigs used to walk the moon. And you could've made the exact same post as you just did.
The legitimacy of an opinion doesn't automatically exist, it lies in the arguments backing it up. I don't want to write "feels before reals" (because I honestly don't want to come across as condescending), but that's essentially what you're legitimising - that everyone's opinion is worth the same no matter how much of reality it ignores.
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;51344929]Not on a side here, but what about the fact that Facepunch is 99% anti-Trump? Kind of hard to argue a position when they're surrounded by the other team.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't stop people arguing about other issues even if they are in the minority.
I am trying to change my behavior to be more welcoming and more accepting and to try and argue points - but so far there seems to be very little to argue over since Trump supporters aren't arguing about this. It really concerns me that this is the case.
[QUOTE=.Vel;51344784]Most trump supporters aren't posting because they prefer not to be ridiculed en masse.[/QUOTE]
they just won him the presidency, what possible reason could they have not to post
it's over! you did it! you fucking won! you fucked the dog so hard it exploded. you can come out now! you can call me a salty liberal or whatever
honestly for a moment i thought trump would be an ok president and that senate and shit would just not let him do retarded shit
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The United States, 2025
[QUOTE=.Vel;51344784]Most trump supporters aren't posting because they prefer not to be ridiculed en masse.[/QUOTE]
You deserve it after what he did with this cabinet
You were, dare I say it, stupid enough to choose a plutocrat of the plutocrats who's essentially going to be another four years of fucking Ronald Reagan all over again, this time with sociopath disorder instead of Alzheimer's
Imagine being so consumed with rhetoric that instead of accepting the bitter medicine of facts you choose to go with the homeopathic pills of feelings instead when one, while unpalatable, is better in the long run, and the other, while delicious and sweet balm to a bruised voter base, doesnt do anything for the illness it's suffering from.
Own up and accept responsibility like grown up men and women that you made a bad choice that fucks everybody over for the next four years.
I'm becoming more and more bitter at anyone who thought Trump was viable for any reason. You elected a businessman into the White House. At least a corrupt politician is only held under some sway of corporations.
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The United States, 2025[/QUOTE][B]So you're saying [U]dragons[/U] show up because of Trump?[/B]
:rrerr:
How the fuck is this a problem? Fucking made America Great Again alright, finally my dreams have come true and I can score sweet, sweet dragon pussy.
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
I might even grab said dragon [I]by the pussy[/I] in the process of capturing her (so she can be my wife) in honor of the God-Emperor himself.
I do not want to be told by anybody who voted for Trump that it's [I]our fault[/I] that he won because they got their feelings hurt for being called out on their complete disregard for other people. You do not get to vote for Donald Trump, of all people, who very well might not have a single compassionate bone in his body, and tell the people he is directly going to shit on that they needed to be "nicer" to you. You do not get to vote to strip me and millions of others of our rights as human beings and turn around and try to act like the victim [I]because someone called you a moron on the internet[/I]. You do not.
You are not a child. You do not vote for a bully because you think getting called out on your nonsense is equivalent to getting bullied. And you especially do not get to go and spit on the face of everybody who stands to lose out on this result in a potentially very [I]big[/I] way and still have the gall to act like you're the one who's getting picked on.
[editline]AAAAAGH[/editline]
I'm just so tired, guys.
Since I'm a bit ignorant on the politics of US election, I must ask something to get myself on track and correct my preexisting information.
Why did people vote for Trump? From what I can tell, he has no political background, is very forthcoming about his opinions and makes some pretty audacious claims. All qualities that a politician is typically NOT seen practicing.
The image I've gotten is that some may think that due to being new to the white house, he is less likely to be corrupt rotten than Hillary, who has been in the house for a while and has been hit with controversy recently.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51346873][B]So you're saying [U]dragons[/U] show up because of Trump?[/B]
:rrerr:
How the fuck is this a problem? Fucking made America Great Again alright, finally my dreams have come true and I can score sweet, sweet dragon pussy.
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
I might even grab said dragon [I]by the pussy[/I] in the process of capturing her (so she can be my wife) in honor of the God-Emperor himself.[/QUOTE]
Oh libertarians
[sp]you're gonna have to be quick tho. Trump will probably start slaying dragons left and right, as what the dragons truly are are mutated mexicans who evolved into dragons so that they may fly over the wall[/sp]
[QUOTE=Katska;51346935]I do not want to be told by anybody who voted for Trump that it's [I]our fault[/I] that he won[/QUOTE]I [I]believe[/I] I'm the only one who made several lengthy posts with that assertion and I voted for McMullin and campaigned for Johnson. You're not faultless in this, not even close.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51346972]Since I'm a bit ignorant on the politics of US election, I must ask something to get myself on track and correct my preexisting information.[/QUOTE]I like how this starts out, I really do.
[QUOTE]Why did people vote for Trump?[/QUOTE]Well, you pretty much answered your own question in a way. [QUOTE]From what I can tell, he has no political background, is very forthcoming about his opinions and makes some pretty audacious claims. All qualities that a politician is typically NOT seen practicing.[/QUOTE]See these points right here were [I]extremely[/I] attractive for a lot of people, they appealed to me too. (maybe not the audacious claims part) I could explain why, but I think if you see the next answer you can infer why. [QUOTE]The image I've gotten is that some may think that due to being new to the white house, he is less likely to be corrupt rotten than Hillary, who has been in the house for a while and has been hit with controversy recently.[/QUOTE]This is pretty much the short and long of why he won, this election wasn't about the [I]best[/I] candidate it was about the [I]least worse[/I] candidate. Well, for people who voted mainstream at least. Those of us who didn't want to participate went another way, but we only took 5.7% of the vote scatted across a whole list of candidates. For a lot of people they had this "not X" mentality, they refused to accept the opposing candidate for a variety of reasons but it seemed like the rhetoric took over at a certain point. Hillary voters had their own talking points and their own gripes, pretty much grouped around a few key criticisms. Same thing for Trump voters, they had their reasons why Trump wasn't that bad but Hillary was way worse. Debates (team-based screeching honestly) seemed to follow the same patterns, the same bitches being made, same retorts fired back, it got tiring to watch after a certain point. I think somewhere people just got so goddamn spiteful and hateful toward one side or the other, it became less and less about the candidate and more and more about proving the other side wrong.
What's so crazy is people from [I]other countries[/I] have gotten involved in that shit, it's just so surreal to see a Canadian or a German get so deeply involved in our political shit-flinging when they have absolutely no say when it counts the most.
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51347005]Oh libertarians
[sp]you're gonna have to be quick tho. Trump will probably start slaying dragons left and right, as what the dragons truly are are mutated mexicans who evolved into dragons so that they may fly over the wall[/sp][/QUOTE]Scaly taco-flavored kisses~~~~~
I'm prepared to fight for what's right, I didn't stockpile all this ammo for nothing.
Please don't fight anyone, least you or anyone else needs is anymore violence.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51347048]I [I]believe[/I] I'm the only one who made several lengthy posts with that assertion and I voted for McMullin and campaigned for Johnson. You're not faultless in this, not even close.
I like how this starts out, I really do.
Well, you pretty much answered your own question in a way. See these points right here were [I]extremely[/I] attractive for a lot of people, they appealed to me too. (maybe not the audacious claims part) I could explain why, but I think if you see the next answer you can infer why. This is pretty much the short and long of why he won, this election wasn't about the [I]best[/I] candidate it was about the [I]least worse[/I] candidate. Well, for people who voted mainstream at least. Those of us who didn't want to participate went another way, but we only took 5.7% of the vote scatted across a whole list of candidates. For a lot of people they had this "not X" mentality, they refused to accept the opposing candidate for a variety of reasons but it seemed like the rhetoric took over at a certain point. Hillary voters had their own talking points and their own gripes, pretty much grouped around a few key criticisms. Same thing for Trump voters, they had their reasons why Trump wasn't that bad but Hillary was way worse. Debates (team-based screeching honestly) seemed to follow the same patterns, the same bitches being made, same retorts fired back, it got tiring to watch after a certain point. I think somewhere people just got so goddamn spiteful and hateful toward one side or the other, it became less and less about the candidate and more and more about proving the other side wrong.
What's so crazy is people from [I]other countries[/I] have gotten involved in that shit, it's just so surreal to see a Canadian or a German get so deeply involved in our political shit-flinging when they have absolutely no say when it counts the most.
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
Scaly taco-flavored kisses~~~~~
I'm prepared to fight for what's right, I didn't stockpile all this ammo for nothing.[/QUOTE]
To be fair I'll say this: At its root things like Brexit and Trump being elected are simply a fuck you in general to the established order at its simplest. The Right no longer wants to be condescended to and told they're ignorant and stupid, and humanly speaking, you'd be quite right to feel pissed off and violated that your world view ranks so low in the eyes of those who see themselves as better than "the others". They're forced to live with the fact that others won't accept their views for what they are, but are only interested in evangelism to try and glean more to their numbers. If you don't accept their established facts or their reasons why your choice is bad, it then comes down to smug condescension (which I am not innocent of) and (usually bad) quips about the ignorant hicks.
So where does this lead us? we end up in a situation where they find it easier to embrace whoever supports them as people instead of pushing them away, they don't care about being told they're anti-intellectual or anti-good government or any of that fancy nonsense, they just want their voices heard and to have somebody representing them for what they are, instead of a condescending attempt to reach out to them and convert their worldview to a more acceptable (in the liberal view) one. Here's another reason why the alt-right and the religious right, the religious right especially, are still going strong despite there being humanly no reason for them to have this much support or traction. They don't appreciate being fucked over and abandoned by the system and by God they'll fight against what they see as persecution, as long as there's breath in their bones.
Maybe the disdain's too far gone for there ever to be a complete reconciliation between the left and the right on a political or a personal basis. Manners and self-reproach aren't going to get us anywhere in the end, because it's all too easy to abandon the so-called ignorant hicks because you can find no common ground with them. In the end, you have to reach out a hand to truly be bipartisan without being a smug asshole, and maybe accept that there will be different viewpoints that are unpalatable to your view of thinking. But this works on both sides - the right too should understand the legitimate concerns of the left because they, for better or worse, elected a businessman into the White House who proceeded to make some very sketchy choices in terms of his Cabinet.
And in closing I'd just like to say that there's been some really nasty shit flung on both sides in this election both on this forum and off it, and sometimes it may be baffling why people will choose to make the choices they have, but maybe things might change for the better after these four years of President Trump. Personally, I'm not very optimistic about anybody's chances considering as I said, you basically elected a businessman who filled his cabinet with people having big business ties and has said a lot of things unheard of by any candidate before him in over a hundred years.
I'm surprised people are surprised people from abroad care so much considering the fact we get no say is personally why I'm kinda pissed off what happened with the UK and the United States - particularly Brexit, because it [B]will[/B] have an effect on Ireland and could cause violence in Northern Ireland, and I didn't get a say in that. I also have people I care about in the States, so is it no wonder why I'm arguing?
Besides, politics and history are things I love to discuss.
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