Trumps head of energy is a climate change denialist
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[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51347048]I [I]believe[/I] I'm the only one who made several lengthy posts with that assertion and I voted for McMullin and campaigned for Johnson. You're not faultless in this, not even close.[/QUOTE]
This definitely just isn't about you. I've been seeing this all day.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51347118]To be fair I'll say this:[/QUOTE]I agree with you, I gave you a star to prove it.
[QUOTE=Katska;51347147]This definitely just isn't about you. I've been seeing this all day.[/QUOTE]Pretend I gave you a genuine hug and whispered, "it's going to be alright, kittencup," in your ear. You may make it a sensual whisper if this pleases you.
[QUOTE=shad0w440;51343122]And we were just starting to reverse the effects.[/QUOTE]
No, we havent even made a dent. At this point its over anyway, climate change will happen and we are fucked
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
The dems should have gone with an electable candidate... Everything else flows from that imo.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51347229]No, we havent even made a dent. At this point its over anyway, climate change will happen and we are fucked
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
The dems should have gone with an electable candidate... Everything else flows from that imo.[/QUOTE]
yes, the fact that the republicans decided to support an absolutely insane demagogic candidate is definitely the democrats fault, and thus everything flows from that apparently
what fucking mental gymnastics do you have to perform that allow you to have the view that trump is somehow anyone's fault other than the republicans who supported him
he only worked as a fucking pied piper (before you bring up that email) because the republicans actually followed the orange fuck
it says a lot about the republican party that the democrats thought if they spotlight someone truly nuts, nobody would be insane enough to support him, and yet the republicans did
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;51347283]yes, the fact that the republicans decided to support an absolutely insane demagogic candidate is definitely the democrats fault, and thus everything flows from that apparently
what fucking mental gymnastics do you have to perform that allow you to have the view that trump is somehow anyone's fault other than the republicans who supported him
he only worked as a fucking pied piper (before you bring up that email) because the republicans actually followed the orange fuck
it says a lot about the republican party that the democrats thought if they spotlight someone truly nuts, nobody would be insane enough to support him, and yet the republicans did[/QUOTE]
Dude - the exact same reasons Republicans voted for Trump are the reasons people voted for Bernie - they are desperate for change and the current political elite ignore them.
Trump is wrong about everything, but he got his messaging right.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;51347309]Dude - the exact same reasons Republicans voted for Trump are the reasons people voted for Bernie - they are desperate for change and the current political elite ignore them.
Trump is wrong about everything, but he got his messaging right.[/QUOTE]
am I meant to celebrate people burning down their house because they wanted a change of scenery
now they can be homeless [I]and [/I]​ignored
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;51347313]am I meant to celebrate people burning down their house because they wanted a change of scenery
now they can be homeless [I]and [/I]​ignored[/QUOTE]
Ignoring it won't help you save the house.
[QUOTE=erkor;51346607]honestly for a moment i thought trump would be an ok president and that senate and shit would just not let him do retarded shit
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maybe trump found the caverns of time and thats why hes so confident climate change wont affect us
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;51347313]am I meant to celebrate people burning down their house because they wanted a change of scenery
now they can be homeless [I]and [/I]​ignored[/QUOTE]
Everybody's pissed that it happened the way it did man, and you're not alone in this. I'm not in the least pleased a demagogue businessman got into the White House on a wing and a prayer, but it's still a fact that they who voted for him are so desperate for change even negative change is better than no change at all for many of them. I've pointed out all the facts I could about a Trump presidency being bad for everybody, and indeed got partly vindicated with those horrific cabinet choices he made, but did that make anybody listen to what me and others like me had to say about the election? [I]It didn't.[/I]
People are tired of being patronized, and the human factor is often being ignored when it comes to the established order of things. You're just seeing it come home to roost in the personas of Brexit and Trump. Maybe people will learn their lessons once Trump's bad policies will run their course for four years, but those who will still blame Obummer for their problems were probably so far entrenched in their ideology that no amount of extending a hand for dialogue would get through to them.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;51347309]Dude - the exact same reasons Republicans voted for Trump are the reasons people voted for Bernie - they are desperate for change and the current political elite ignore them.
Trump is wrong about everything, but he got his messaging right.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't for obvious reasons vote for Bernie, but I sincerely hope those that did didn't just pick him because he wasn't part of the establishment. Bernie had legitimately good policies, proven to work elsewhere in the world, he had character and an established record of voting for progressive policies, and he doesn't have a track record of fucking people over. Trump had none of that, and beyond being protest votes, they're nothing alike.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51347351]Everybody's pissed that it happened the way it did man, and you're not alone in this. I'm not in the least pleased a demagogue businessman got into the White House on a wing and a prayer, but it's still a fact that they who voted for him are so desperate for change even negative change is better than no change at all for many of them. I've pointed out all the facts I could about a Trump presidency being bad for everybody, and indeed got partly vindicated with those horrific cabinet choices he made, but did that make anybody listen to what me and others like me had to say about the election? [I]It didn't.[/I]
People are tired of being patronized, and the human factor is often being ignored when it comes to the established order of things. You're just seeing it come home to roost in the personas of Brexit and Trump. Maybe people will learn their lessons once Trump's bad policies will run their course for four years, but those who will still blame Obummer for their problems were probably so far entrenched in their ideology that no amount of extending a hand for dialogue would get through to them.[/QUOTE]
i know you're right, however I'm almost as angry as i was after brexit so it's going to take some time to come to terms with it
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[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51344905]Hillary Clinton lost because she was unelectable. Hillary Clinton lost because people started believing Trump's lies. Hillary Clinton lost because Trump's campaign was based on anger and fear, while Clinton's was based on love and tolerance, which apparently translates to Americans as "Allow ISIS into our country".[/QUOTE]
Clinton's campaign was based on love and tolerance, thats why she declared half of trump's voters as "deplorables". She later took the comment back but overall clinton's attacks against trump have mostly been petty and personal, and her campaign's attacks have been very much attempting to paint half the country as bigots. People dont change sides when they feel they have been personally insulted. When i hear you say clinton's campaign was based on love and tolerance i hear "love and tolerance for the people with opinions i agree with, but everyone else can get fucked"
Otherwise, i agree.
[QUOTE=erkor;51346607]honestly for a moment i thought trump would be an ok president and that senate and shit would just not let him do retarded shit
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Trump is going to be a disaster for the US but if he can Make Warcraft Great Again I'll re elect him
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51347505]Clinton's campaign was based on love and tolerance, thats why she declared half of trump's voters as "deplorables". She later took the comment back but overall clinton's attacks against trump have mostly been petty and personal, and her campaign's attacks have been very much attempting to paint half the country as bigots. People dont change sides when they feel they have been personally insulted. When i hear you say clinton's campaign was based on love and tolerance i hear "love and tolerance for the people with opinions i agree with, but everyone else can get fucked"
Otherwise, i agree.[/QUOTE]
You can't seriously make the argument that Clinton was more petty than Trump.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51347528]Trump is going to be a disaster for the US but if he can Make Warcraft Great Again I'll re elect him
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
You can't seriously make the argument that Clinton was more petty than Trump.[/QUOTE]
I'd say that true allegations of corruption as well as unconfirmed allegations of corruption are less petty than pretending a rude comment about women letting you kiss them and grab their genitals means he's a rapist, yes. Not that trump didnt also have his own petty episodes, but the point is thats not what viewers thought. Personal attacks vs systemic and national level problems. Big difference.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51347559]pretending a rude comment about women letting you kiss them and grab their genitals means he's a rapist[/QUOTE]
Okay first of all, I still don't understand this. "Just because Trump bragged that he sexually assaulted women doesn't mean he actually did!". Why do people try so hard to trivialise the fact that the now president of the united states thinks bragging about using his influence to get away with sex crimes is fun?
Second of all, why are you acting like Trump's history of sexual abuse was the one thing anyone had on him?
Trump was decried for being a liar, for having no realistic policy, using empty rhetoric to garner support, having an incredibly shady business history- to the point where he basically has a reputation as a con-man, and for having vague economic plans that, even so, had economists from every spot on the political spectrum saying they will be disastrous.
His parties stance on civil rights is oppressive as hell His stance on the environment is moronic and outright dangerous. You now have a president that cares more about lining his pockets than the literal future of the planet and you are scared of Hillary Clinton's corruption?
I like how the US has literally become a wacky reality show
[QUOTE=fulgrim;51347660]Okay first of all, I still don't understand this. "Just because Trump bragged that he sexually assaulted women doesn't mean he actually did!". Why do people try so hard to trivialise the fact that the now president of the united states thinks bragging about using his influence to get away with sex crimes is fun?
Second of all, why are you acting like Trump's history of sexual abuse was the one thing anyone had on him?
Trump was decried for being a liar, for having no realistic policy, using empty rhetoric to garner support, having an incredibly shady business history- to the point where he basically has a reputation as a con-man, and for having vague economic plans that, even so, had economists from every spot on the political spectrum saying they will be disastrous.
His parties stance on civil rights is oppressive as hell His stance on the environment is moronic and outright dangerous. You now have a president that cares more about lining his pockets than the literal future of the planet and you are scared of Hillary Clinton's corruption?[/QUOTE]
He didnt brag about sexually assaulting a women, is what im saying. In order to get that interpretation listening to the recording you need to make a lot of assumptions and automatically assume worse intent. What he said was shitty and quite frankly sad, but generally we know if you are in a position of wealth and power people are more likely to want to have relations with you. if women are "letting you" have sex with them it does not mean sexual assault unless your assuming this is bizzaro SJW land where irl people pucker and go in to kiss eachother then stop and demand written consent.
I didnt intend to apply trump's sexual abuse was the only issue against him, but my point was that in a negative campaign, only the most eggregous accusations stand out. In trump's case, it was the sexual assault, in hillarys case the corruption was the loudest. My point is that in an election unfortunately the majority of people do not listen to the finer details like policies and economic experts. It doesnt help that the "trump is a sexist bigot" thing also got attributed to his supporters, making convincing them less effective.
"I'm automatically attracted to beautiful, I just start kissing them, I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. Grab em by the pussy"
This is not describing a consensual act. It's describing sexual assault. Automatically kissing and grabbing genitalia without even waiting is sexual assault. The comments make accusations that had been made before the video went out saying that he did exactly this a lot more credible.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51347559]I'd say that true allegations of corruption as well as unconfirmed allegations of corruption are less petty than pretending a rude comment about women letting you kiss them and grab their genitals means he's a rapist, yes. Not that trump didnt also have his own petty episodes, but the point is thats not what viewers thought. Personal attacks vs systemic and national level problems. Big difference.[/QUOTE]
Trump made a shitload of personal attacks. I won't say his policy attacks were all off the mark (many were though) and Clinton made her share of petty comments but Trumps run was the ugliest bit of politics in recent memory
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51343477]I've noticed a theory with Sensationalist Headlines and I think this is the best place to post it.
I thought that SH was an alt-right circlejerk because I was in threads where it was impossible for the left to defend, ie SJW does this SJW does that. Skating uphill they call it. I was in those threads because the titles were usually pretty fucking terrible so I was properly baited.
Then I started to realise that if there's a thread about someone on the left being a nutter, the left won't come in because they can't defend it (except for the idiots like me). If there's a thread about someone on the left being a nutter, the right won't come in because they can't defend it (except for the idiots like <whatever>).
This is all anecdotal evidence from myself but I think it's fair to say that if you see a news article that's negative about Trump, and no one defends his actions, then I think it's fair to say that Trump supporters can't agree.[/QUOTE]
Its almost like people naturally gravitate towards echo chambers...
Some are just antagonistic rebels, we need those... they make people think even if they just quality shitpost
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51343477]I've noticed a theory with Sensationalist Headlines and I think this is the best place to post it.
I thought that SH was an alt-right circlejerk because I was in threads where it was impossible for the left to defend, ie SJW does this SJW does that. Skating uphill they call it. I was in those threads because the titles were usually pretty fucking terrible so I was properly baited.
Then I started to realise that if there's a thread about someone on the left being a nutter, the left won't come in because they can't defend it (except for the idiots like me). If there's a thread about someone on the left being a nutter, the right won't come in because they can't defend it (except for the idiots like <whatever>).
This is all anecdotal evidence from myself but I think it's fair to say that if you see a news article that's negative about Trump, and no one defends his actions, then I think it's fair to say that Trump supporters can't agree.[/QUOTE]
It's nothing new really. Most people naturally avoid confrontation if they can.
I haven't seen any Trump havens talks about this. Why? I'd really like to see them roll with the punches like they always do. It's good for a laugh.
[QUOTE=dillspears;51347915]I haven't seen any Trump havens talks about this. Why? I'd really like to see them roll with the punches like they always do. It's good for a laugh.[/QUOTE]
They aren't going to, probably because they can't defend it and people are aggressive here over it. I think people do have the right to be aggressive over it but... we might get better results if we just legitimately wait for them to say what they have to say.
But I'm afraid they won't say anything at all.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51347962]They aren't going to, probably because they can't defend it and people are aggressive here over it. I think people do have the right to be aggressive over it but... we might get better results if we just legitimately wait for them to say what they have to say.
But I'm afraid they won't say anything at all.[/QUOTE]
Or some of them are straight up agree and they don't believe in climate change.
[QUOTE=genpung;51348032]Or some of them are straight up agree and they don't believe in climate change.[/QUOTE]
If they do, I would like to see them express why and try to prove it.
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