Wow, this thread is so upside down for me..
Anyways, I came one day too late for that but
RIP Nelson Mandela.
where will I get my crackabis now?
[QUOTE=thisispain;43087915]obviously i wasnt serious about that but ok
either way the point is still completely factually correct and i have the data to prove it, no matter if you want to say im backpedaling or whatever for an honest mistake[/QUOTE]
Umm, no. Your point is factually incorrect, the wealth gap was decreasing near the end of the NP's rule and then increased under the ANC's rule.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ruWBfuz.gif[/img]
Here is an actual graph of average income in South Africa by race plotted against the years, you'll see that in 1993 near the end of the NP's rule the gap was decreasing then after the NP were ousted the gap shot up.
I've even drawn some lines onto it so you can see the gaps directly next to eachother, you'll note that the yellow line is smaller than both the gaps on the data points after the NP were ousted.
[QUOTE=Scrappa;43088568]Umm, no. Your point is factually incorrect, the wealth gap was decreasing near the end of the NP's rule and then increased under the ANC's rule.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ruWBfuz.gif[/img]
Here is an actual graph of average income in South Africa by race plotted against the years, you'll see that in 1993 near the end of the NP's rule the gap was decreasing then after the NP were ousted the gap shot up.
I've even drawn some lines onto it so you can see the gaps directly next to eachother, you'll note that the yellow line is smaller than both the gaps on the data points after the NP were ousted.[/QUOTE]
uhm my point was that south africa has a chance to develop into a better nation unlike other african nations, while the person i was arguing with said "South Africa has gone down the shitter"
how is that factually incorrect?
[editline]6th December 2013[/editline]
oh wait why am i expecting fair-mindedness from posters who said i was advocating the expulsion of a ethnic group??? i must be insane to even indulge you
You posted your graph which showed income disparity not decreasing pre-1994 and claimed the poster you replied to had no idea what he was on about.
Then after it was pointed out your graph was for the USA you claimed your point about the wealth gap was still correct even though your graph wasn't. Which was wrong.
[editline]6th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;43088632]
[editline]6th December 2013[/editline]
oh wait why am i expecting fair-mindedness from posters who said i was advocating the expulsion of a ethnic group??? i must be insane to even indulge you[/QUOTE]
When your reply to people leaving the country after suffering racial attacks was "they shouldn't have even been there in the first place" you are defending their expulsion.
Black people lived off better under the apartheid economically. Even some black people who lived during the apartheid years and Mandela years say so. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8711089.stm[/url]
[QUOTE=Scrappa;43088692]You posted your graph which showed income disparity not decreasing pre-1994 and claimed the poster you replied to had no idea what he was on about.
Then after it was pointed out your graph was for the USA you claimed your point about the wealth gap was still correct even though your graph wasn't. Which was wrong.[/QUOTE]
yea because he said south africa was going down the shitter, i said no, under the post-apartheid government it's going better than it was before
and your graph shows thats true
and my link shows thats true
what's the dealio here, what do you disagree with
[editline]6th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Scrappa;43088692]
When your reply to people leaving the country after suffering racial attacks was "they shouldn't have even been there in the first place" you are defending their expulsion.[/QUOTE]
that's not what i said. i said they were there by foreign intervention which continues to poison that political landscape as it does in all of africa.
i know everyone wants to insult and be vulgar to me but i find it really disgusting that youd want to push me into supporting genocide when that thought disgusts me. i even indicted the UK on their warcrimes against the boeren.
[editline]6th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=shackleford;43088701]Black people lived off better under the apartheid economically. Even some black people who lived during the apartheid years and Mandela years say so. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8711089.stm[/url][/QUOTE]
that's not consistent with the graph scrappa posted
I wasn't saying things are worse now but I am saying your comment about income disparity is just wrong, the gap between Afrikaner and Black was decreasing near the end of the NP's rule and has shot up since the ANC came into power. I'm not saying that's a bad thing either, both groups have become more wealthy which is great.
And I'm sorry, but it is what you said whether you chose the wrong words or not you still said it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;43084292]the afrikaners shouldn't have been there in the first place.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thisispain;43088713]that's not consistent with the graph scrappa posted[/QUOTE]
Why does this valid source have to be congruent with this graph? This source is not looking at income by racial group, its a focus on some of the black people's opinions in living in the apartheid era, and post apartheid era and how it has influenced their daily lives.
[editline]7th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Scrappa;43088568]Umm, no. Your point is factually incorrect, the wealth gap was decreasing near the end of the NP's rule and then increased under the ANC's rule.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ruWBfuz.gif[/img]
Here is an actual graph of average income in South Africa by race plotted against the years, you'll see that in 1993 near the end of the NP's rule the gap was decreasing then after the NP were ousted the gap shot up.
I've even drawn some lines onto it so you can see the gaps directly next to eachother, you'll note that the yellow line is smaller than both the gaps on the data points after the NP were ousted.[/QUOTE]
Does the graph take consideration of the influx of the South African Rand currency? Wouldn't the value of the currency be different in 1917 to 2008?
[QUOTE=Scrappa;43088773]I wasn't saying things are worse now but I am saying your comment about income disparity is just wrong, the gap between Afrikaner and Black was decreasing near the end of the NP's rule and has shot up since the ANC came into power. I'm not saying that's a bad thing either, both groups have become more wealthy which is great.
And I'm sorry, but it is what you said whether you chose the wrong words or not you still said it.[/QUOTE]
i never said shit about income disparity. never made a comment about it. just said that life for white afrikaners is better in post-apartheid today and that it hasnt become a shit-hole at all
and if you wish to interpret what i said as genocidal fervour in an attempt to find something to indict me on then go ahead
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[QUOTE=thisispain;43088924]i never said shit about income disparity. never made a comment about it. just said that life for white afrikaners is better in post-apartheid today and that it hasnt become a shit-hole at all
and if you wish to interpret what i said as genocidal fervour in an attempt to find something to indict me on then go ahead[/QUOTE]
You didn't write about income disparity but you posted your graph, someone said that during the last years of the NP's rule income disparity by race was decreasing then you posted a graph in an attempt to show that it wasn't and said he has no idea what he's on about.
You posting that graph was you making a comment about it.
[B]Was Nelson Mandela the pinnacle of human psychology?[/B]
[I]He was regarded by many as the rarest of psychological gemstones: a self-actualised human being[/I]
[img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/6/1386291085627/0c5ce9fd-4a1e-43db-9dd2-706693fbfba9-460x276.jpeg[/img]
[I]Nelson Mandela is often cast as a psychological superhuman. Photograph: Adrian Steirn/AP[/I]
[quote]Within a matter of hours, the death of Nelson Mandela attracted tributes ranging from the trite and prepackaged to the heartfelt and memorable. His achievements in the face of adversity notwithstanding, psychology will remember him for a less mainstream reason. Like a select few before him, Mandela will go down in history as someone who may have scaled the summit of mental prowess – a term psychologist Abraham Maslow referred to in the 1940s as "self-actualised".
According to Maslow’s theory, humans face a number of challenges in life, from the most basic needs (such as food and sleep), to safety, love, esteem, and ultimately self-actualisation. Only once a person’s circumstances and attitude have allowed them to pass one of the lower stages can they ascend to the next. For Maslow and the generations of humanistic psychologists who followed in his tradition, the self-actualised individual is someone who transcends all lower needs to achieve a state of complete personal and intellectual fulfillment.[/quote]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/science/head-quarters/2013/dec/06/was-nelson-mandela-the-pinnacle-of-human-psychology[/url]
[QUOTE=JPsRcE;43083291]Sounds like a certain Austrian too, who then went all nutter butters.[/QUOTE]
Mad max?
[QUOTE=thisispain;43084292]the afrikaners shouldn't have been there in the first place.[/QUOTE]
"The Jews shouldn't have been there in the first place."
Come on man, you have to see the ridiculousness of such thinking.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43086742]In a week we'll start getting the "Mandela wasn't so great he killed people" shitposts.
Calling it.[/QUOTE]
While he definitely did some good, he wasn't a saint. Early in his battle against the apartheid government, he advocated armed insurrection and violence.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43090815]While he definitely did some good, he wasn't a saint. Early in his battle against the apartheid government, he advocated armed insurrection and violence.[/QUOTE]
Advocating armed insurrection and violence isn't enough to be a bad person as far as I'm concerned.
Considering the amount of good he did I think it's safe to say it widely outweighs the bad parts.
Man, one of my earliest memories of seeing something on TV was a news report showing Nelson Mandela stepping out of a plane. That must have been after Apartheid ended. Strange when I think about it.
The news here (UK) kept mentioning how much of a "shock" his death was.
Well, all I can say is, was that he was in fact 95 years old and has been ill for a long time.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;43083892]"All-around good man", he bombed civilians. Nelson Mandela is wrongly held up as some kind of modern-day saint. His death is probably the best - and last - opportunity to change that perception.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so you would let another race move in next door, try to take over your neighborhood and kill your family in an attempt to eradicate your race and take over your land and dance all over your grave with their white inbred children? Okay then, where do you live exactly?
A message he sent to my school when I was in 8th grade. Its too bad he couldn't show up. That would've been crazy.
[video=youtube;DXWZ2aqasT4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXWZ2aqasT4[/video]
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