• Boston Bomber Dzhokar Tsarnaev ought to be declared an "enemy combatant" because "My God, they were
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[QUOTE=Sadim;40367365]Terrorism is a large scale attack on a large scale of innocent victims.[/QUOTE] Wrong. Terrorism is an attack on a civilian population in a manner that is meant to spread fear and terror, and must be motivated by an ideology or theology.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;40367300]He's naturalized, he deserves American justice because he is a citizen, and he deserves the fullest punishment available.[/QUOTE] Well, citizenship doesn't actually go far in terrorism and national security if they conclude he's a threat in either category. There's the unchallenged assassinations of US citizens abroad with terrorist affiliations, so I mean, theoretically because no one has stopped it, the guy could be classified as a terrorist and executed without trial.
The terrorists won. They really did. America, or at least its ruling body, are absolutely terrified of terrorists. So much so that many rights have been stripped away or modified in the interests of "security". The best way to fight Terror is to tell them to go fuck themselves, make appropriate countermeasures, and above all else, [I]continue living the same way you did before they attacked.[/I] That isn't to say that their actions should be brushed off, but I'm not very good at phrasing my arguments, so I hope I've gotten my point across properly.
[QUOTE=Reds;40367425]The terrorists won. They really did. America, or at least its ruling body, are absolutely terrified of terrorists. So much so that many rights have been stripped away or modified in the interests of "security". The best way to fight Terror is to tell them to go fuck themselves, make appropriate countermeasures, and above all else, [I]continue living the same way you did before they attacked.[/I] That isn't to say that their actions should be brushed off, but I'm not very good at phrasing my arguments, so I hope I've gotten my point across properly.[/QUOTE] No, you're absolutely right, and you've communicated this, as with your previous posts, exceptionally well. They have indeed succeeded in getting [B][I]exactly[/I][/B] what they want, because every time this happens, the seething racial hatred, bloodlust and sheer depravity that many Americans hide under their social masks is laid bare for all the world to see, and excuses are made to limit more freedoms in the name of security. I can see why conspiracy theories exist, even if I don't buy into them myself. Terror attacks work out VERY well for the government and their corporate overlords.
[QUOTE=Sadim;40367365]Terrorism is a large scale attack on a large scale of innocent victims.[/QUOTE] 1. Must be ideologically motivated, or motivated to make change to policy 2. Must have the goal of spreading terror to achieve that goal The scale of the attack and the victims or lack thereof is not defining of terrorism. Lanza killed plenty of kids but it wasn't terrorism because it met neither of those. As did Holmes. On the other end, I could blow up an empty building without any intention of harming anyone physically, and it would be terrorism if I intended that to spread fear and coerce into changing policy.
[QUOTE=archangel125;40367444]No, you're absolutely right, and you've communicated this, as with your previous posts, exceptionally well.[/QUOTE] Sorry for making a big deal out of it, I have a habit of my arguments being torn apart and being embarrassed in debates because I can't get my point across properly, or I've said something I didn't mean to.
[QUOTE=Reds;40367425]The terrorists won. They really did. America, or at least its ruling body, are absolutely terrified of terrorists. So much so that many rights have been stripped away or modified in the interests of "security". The best way to fight Terror is to tell them to go fuck themselves, make appropriate countermeasures, and above all else, [I]continue living the same way you did before they attacked.[/I] That isn't to say that their actions should be brushed off, but I'm not very good at phrasing my arguments, so I hope I've gotten my point across properly.[/QUOTE] Absolutely true. I think OBL said about the same thing to us. I that maybe they hadn't won, but we have definitely lost. And they are winning. Our government is crushing our rights and restricting our lives and people are getting fed up with it. The public backlash is seeing support for interventionism and the war on terror dwindle. Soon we will be forced to be non-interventionist in the Middle East and pulled out of the wars, and then they'd get what they want.
america declared war on terrorists tsarnaev is a terrorist therefore america is at war with tsarnaev [editline]21st April 2013[/editline] america declared war on drugs I am a drug user therefore america is at war with me
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40367534]america declared war on terrorists tsarnaev is a terrorist therefore america is at war with tsarnaev [editline]21st April 2013[/editline] america declared war on drugs I am a drug user therefore america is at war with me[/QUOTE] mericafallacy
Though if America were really at war with terrorists they'd have arrested the DCIA and shut down Mossad.
[QUOTE=Reds;40367425]The terrorists won. They really did. America, or at least its ruling body, are absolutely terrified of terrorists. So much so that many rights have been stripped away or modified in the interests of "security". The best way to fight Terror is to tell them to go fuck themselves, make appropriate countermeasures, and above all else, [I]continue living the same way you did before they attacked.[/I] That isn't to say that their actions should be brushed off, but I'm not very good at phrasing my arguments, so I hope I've gotten my point across properly.[/QUOTE] Attitudes like that breed more terrorists. It's a vicious cycle.
The "War on Terror" has been effective as the "War on Drugs."
[QUOTE=archangel125;40367554]Though if America were really at war with terrorists they'd have arrested the DCIA and shut down Mossad.[/QUOTE] america funds terror organizations america is, by extension, a terrorist america declared war on terrorists therefore america is at war with america therefore all citizens of america are enemy combatants
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;40367556]Attitudes like that breed more terrorists. It's a vicious cycle.[/QUOTE] I would think putting up a firm standpoint of "ain't gonna take your shit guys" helps. It's absolutely freaking out that encourages them. If you can show them that their acts aren't going to do a damn thing, that must count for something. But I'm just repeating my points here.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40367592]america funds terror organizations america is, by extension, a terrorist america declared war on terrorists therefore america is at war with america therefore all citizens of america are enemy combatants[/QUOTE] I think you understand that South Carolina Republican's reasoning perfectly.
[QUOTE=Reds;40367425]The terrorists won. They really did. America, or at least its ruling body, are absolutely terrified of terrorists. So much so that many rights have been stripped away or modified in the interests of "security". The best way to fight Terror is to tell them to go fuck themselves, make appropriate countermeasures, and above all else, [I]continue living the same way you did before they attacked.[/I] That isn't to say that their actions should be brushed off, but I'm not very good at phrasing my arguments, so I hope I've gotten my point across properly.[/QUOTE] No the terrorists didn't "win". Al-Qaeda wanted America to stop funding Israel and to get troops out of the middle east. Now they are all dead or dying and oh well I guess U.S. involvement in the Mid. East has increased or something maybe. We don't know what these people's goal was. I seriously doubt it was "hey brother, we are going to make them afraid!"
[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40367621]No the terrorists didn't "win". Al-Qaeda wanted America to stop funding Israel and to get troops out of the middle east. Now they are all dead or dying and oh well I guess U.S. involvement in the Mid. East has increased or something maybe. We don't know what these people's goal was. I seriously doubt it was "hey brother, we are going to make them afraid!"[/QUOTE] I believe one of Bin Laden's points that he made was to "get the attention" of the American people. In that, he has succeeded beyond belief for quite a few decades.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40367592]america funds terror organizations america is, by extension, a terrorist america declared war on terrorists therefore america is at war with america therefore all citizens of america are enemy combatants[/QUOTE] open ur eyes sheeple
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40367447']1. Must be ideologically motivated, or motivated to make change to policy 2. Must have the goal of spreading terror to achieve that goal[/QUOTE] Terrorism doesn't have a set definition. Anything that causes widespread terror is terrorism. Terrorism shouldn't be limited to those definitions. Someone who is mentally ill can cause terrorism without an objective.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40367629]I believe one of Bin Laden's points that he made was to "get the attention" of the American people. In that, he has succeeded beyond belief for quite a few decades.[/QUOTE] That's quite a dumb goal of course he's going to get people's attention if he did anything at all.
This isn't a war ordinary juries can win.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;40367649]Terrorism doesn't have a set definition. Anything that causes widespread terror is terrorism. Terrorism shouldn't be limited to those definitions. Someone who is mentally ill can cause terrorism without an objective.[/QUOTE] Then it's not terrorism, it's a random act of violence. The objective and method is the key to what separates it from a mass murderer, a spree shooter, a bomber, a mass execution, or an assassin. We have a warped sense of what terrorism is because governments are exploiting it tot heir benefit, just like we warped the meaning of communism in the 1950s and anarchism in the 1920s to cover everything that the ruling classes and the government despised. Terrorism most certainly does fall within a narrower category than what many people tend to think it does. [editline]21st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Thom12255;40367657]This isn't a war ordinary juries can win.[/QUOTE] This isn't a war.
Does this mean we can charge police with war crimes now? After all America is a war zone now.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40367642]open ur eyes sheeple[/QUOTE] FALSE FLAG DOG TAG WET RAG OLD HAG so now that he doesnt have his rights he's pretty much gunna be interrogated until he tells the feds what they wanna know (which he probably doesnt know)
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40367629]I believe one of Bin Laden's points that he made was to "get the attention" of the American people. In that, he has succeeded beyond belief for quite a few decades.[/QUOTE] What was he going to do after that? Sit down with us and have a nice cup of tea while explaining why we should all convert to Islam?
It simply isn't legal to do this. The ACLU has said so. I don't even see why the senator thought it would be in the first place.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;40367064]When does murder become terrorism? Out of interest.[/QUOTE] generally speaking there's a subjeczive difference of a motive and what you are trying to accomplish. With murder we are dealing with someone who wants to kill someone as themain motive generally. With terrorism the end goal is generally to cause terror. Keep in mind that terrorism and murder charges are not exclusionary and both can be Brought forward together. [editline]21st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;40367649]Terrorism doesn't have a set definition. Anything that causes widespread terror is terrorism. Terrorism shouldn't be limited to those definitions. Someone who is mentally ill can cause terrorism without an objective.[/QUOTE] false the definition of terrorism in the legal system will be objective, as is any criminal act in a criminal code.
[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40367621]No the terrorists didn't "win".[/QUOTE] TSA. Yes they did.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;40367657]This isn't a war ordinary juries can win.[/QUOTE] consider the objective of the war on terror for a minute. now consider what kind of dystopian, hyperpowered nation would be required to win it. if the juries have to become like that to win this apparently ongoing fight, is it really a war worth winning?
Does anyone have a source stating the curfew in boston wasn't mandatory but instead a suggestion? I am trying to prove one of those crazies wrong on facebook. "POLICE STATE WARRANTLESS SEARCHES CURFEW OMG OMG"
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