• Every home in the UK to receive a leaflet outlining why the government wants to stay in the EU
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[QUOTE=Bobie;50084339]saw an advert from 'UK government' today on instagram outlining why i should vote stay. pretty weird since most government things i've ever seen have been insanely impartial[/QUOTE] The government is campaigning for remain, its no different to when they campaigned for Scotland to stay part of the UK. Does look a little strange though. Hopefully it will counter the misinformation being spread by the leave campaign through its leaflets. [editline]7th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Flapadar;50086101]The thought of Theresa May having free reign over our civil liberties scares me (given most laws she wants to pass get struck down by the EU). [/QUOTE] Protection from our own government is the big thing that I am worried about losing. The fact that people think having a body you can go to above your own government when you are treated badly is a bad thing boggles my mind.
[QUOTE=smurfy;50085999]The thing is, if we had an elected EU president or whatever then the EU leadership wouldn't be directly answerable to the national governments and sovereignty would suffer; it would start to look more like a federal Europe, and Eurosceptics would be furious. But if you have the leadership appointed by the national governments then sovereignty is protected, but it's not democratic and the Eurosceptics get furious about unelected EU bureaucrats. So I'm not sure what the solution is, really.[/QUOTE] the key positions within the EU are elected by the sovereign nations that form it, and policy within the EU is dictated by the sovereign nations that form it legislation in the EU can't come into effect without the support of the sovereign nations that form it i don't know why people don't understand this why do people complain about the EU being unanswerable, when the power of the EU is derived from sovereign nations - don't complain about the EU, complain about the sovereign nations within the EU that are passing the laws
[QUOTE=RVFHarrier;50085958]That is the one thing above all others that makes the leave campaign totally unapproachable for me. How can there be a debate on the issue when one side simply collects any argument put forth by the other side and dismisses them all collectively as 'project fear'? Lazy, condescending but effective as I see it parroted around a lot. Negative consequences of an action are part of decision making and must be considered in order to make a good decision. Dismissing them all under a snazzy hashtag slogan isn't debating.[/QUOTE] I've yet to see a convincing, well thought out argument for leaving, and many of the reasons provided for leaving are quite weak. For example, a lot of people are saying that the UK is a major economy and that the EU would really want to trade with us even if we left, partly true, but we'd no longer have our free trade agreement which would make what little exports we have (we are a service based economy, after all) less competitive. If we did want to still be a part of it, we'd have to still pay the money we're already paying anyway. I saw an article on the Guardian the other day about how farmers would lose billions of pounds in EU subsidies, but the comments were awash with accusations of "fear mongering" while others passed that off as a good thing, as according to them every farmer in the UK is a wealthy land owner who is stealing their tax money indirectly. The only reason this is causing controversy at all is because leave campaigners think it's unfair for the government to inform the voting public about what consequences the choice might have.
thank god i'm within walking distance of Ireland if shit goes down. fuck Anti EU.
And it'll go straight in the bin like every other government leaflet filled with bullshit.
what a very British thing to do, send a strongly worded pamphlet
[QUOTE=Streecer;50086504]I've yet to see a convincing, well thought out argument for leaving, and many of the reasons provided for leaving are quite weak. [/QUOTE] But but but the money, the jobs, the immigrants??? And they accuse the remain campaign of scaremongering.. [editline]7th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50086437]the key positions within the EU are elected by the sovereign nations that form it, and policy within the EU is dictated by the sovereign nations that form it legislation in the EU can't come into effect without the support of the sovereign nations that form it i don't know why people don't understand this why do people complain about the EU being unanswerable, when the power of the EU is derived from sovereign nations - don't complain about the EU, complain about the sovereign nations within the EU that are passing the laws[/QUOTE] This so much. People complain about the EU and then elect people like Nigel Farage (and UKIP in general), who by not turning up to most sessions cause the UK interests to be seriously unrepresented. As an aside, UKIP actually has the worst participation rate of [B]any[/B] EU party.
This is disgusting and nothing but propaganda.
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;50085821]Isn't this government the one that proposed to leave the EU in the first place?[/QUOTE] No, it's all a made up class conflict to make the working class think they have some form of power in this quasi-democracy.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50084790]But do they think it be like it is?[/QUOTE] The Conservative Party don't generally tend to think it be like it is, but it's the opinion of most economists as well as (according to opinion polls) the majority of the public that it do
[QUOTE=The fox;50087182]This is disgusting and nothing but propaganda.[/QUOTE] Well what does the leaflet say that is incorrect?
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