The best way to cure poverty is make it illegal, says Minnesota Republicans. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702389]Say what you want this is a decsion that needs to be made, I currently live in Minnesota and the budget is out of control. We have no more money, and you don't seem to realize that it's either this or schooling, or healthcare/police/fire services. and by no money, we literally have no more fucking money, we can't keep lending, and we're shit out of luck, we're done, zip. out of fucking money.[/QUOTE] You really think making poor people poorer is going to save your state? Come to Alabama, see the end product of your proposal. [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] Also, your "no money" is minuscule compared to the "no money" of other states.

[QUOTE=BagMinge104;28702400]Rather than making it so people on welfare can't get their benefits which they need in any spendable form, why can't we step up the investigative process to make sure people don't abuse it?[/QUOTE] Because this costs fucking money. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. [QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;28702408]You really think making poor people poorer is going to save your state? Come to Alabama, see the end product of your proposal.[/QUOTE] You must be really dense. You can't keep giving someone money to make them "not poor" that just makes them really reliant on the state which wasn't the point of money aid. [QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;28702395][url]http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/piechart_2010_MN_statelocal[/url] It can't be adding up that much.[/QUOTE] Taken from the same site you took it from: [url]http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/Minnesota_state_spending.html[/url] it is but 43 billion dollars isn't alot lol

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702444]Because this costs fucking money. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. You must be really dense. You can't keep giving someone money to make them "not poor" that just makes them really reliant on the state which wasn't the point of money aid.[/QUOTE] If I see you type NO MONEY one more time. [url]http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2009/02/minnesotas_2010_budget_deficit.php[/url] There, you're number 10. Stop whining.

it's pretty sad how the US spends 600+ billion annually on the military, but when people need help and are struggling just to survive, people say "we don't have any money!!"

[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;28702462]If I see you type NO MONEY one more time. [url]http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2009/02/minnesotas_2010_budget_deficit.php[/url] There, you're number 10. Stop whining.[/QUOTE] Stop whining? Are you like honestly trolling, because this is something that affects my life and thousands of other people, don't treat it like 43 billion dollars in debt and being one of worst states in the US at spending it's money isn't also a big deal. I admit this may not be the best way, but unless someone proposes something more it has to be done, some will suffer, all will benefit in the end. [QUOTE=JDK721;28702498]it's pretty sad how the US spends 600+ billion annually on the military, but when people need help and are struggling just to survive, people say "we don't have any money!!"[/QUOTE] I agree, a lot of it should be spent on other things, however in the long run plenty of stuff are invented from the budget, and almost 99% of the cool shit you see comes from that. Why we spend so much money and inventing cool shit while people are dying I don't know.

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702444]Because this costs fucking money. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. You must be really dense. You can't keep giving someone money to make them "not poor" that just makes them really reliant on the state which wasn't the point of money aid. Taken from the same site you took it from: [url]http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/Minnesota_state_spending.html[/url] it is but 43 billion dollars isn't alot lol[/QUOTE] I really don't have the time to deal with condescending prepubescents who honestly think that by taking away all aid and reinforcing systematic poverty our nation could only benefit.

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702444]Because this costs fucking money. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. You must be really dense. You can't keep giving someone money to make them "not poor" that just makes them really reliant on the state which wasn't the point of money aid. Taken from the same site you took it from: [url]http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/Minnesota_state_spending.html[/url] it is but 43 billion dollars isn't alot lol[/QUOTE] [URL=http://img830.imageshack.us/i/welfarepercent.png/][IMG]http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/1885/welfarepercent.png[/IMG][/URL] Man, look at those welfare percentages. 11% and 10% must be, like, over half of your state's budget!

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702506]Why we spend so much money and inventing cool shit while people are dying I don't know.[/QUOTE] mostly the republicans' fault really when people actually want more money to go towards good causes they start shouting "we don't have any money!!!" yet they refuse to cut the military budget

Yeah let's just take it from health and education and remainder ( police/firemen ) services! that'll be better for jobs and the economy! [QUOTE=JDK721;28702559]mostly the republicans' fault really they refuse to cut the military budget yet when people actually want more money to go towards good causes they start shouting "we don't have any money!!!"[/QUOTE] Everyones fault in my opinion, politics are a bunch of old grudges and back stabbing lying men.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;28702297]Don't sit there and act like Welfare isn't abused. I know that there are people that need help, I'm not disputing that, but there needs to be an incentive to [B]get off welfare.[/B] Welfare is to help get you on your feet. It's not supposed to just be free money that you can ride on as long as you meet the requirements. That's the point these lawmakers are trying to address. It's a real issue.[/QUOTE] Typically, if you make too much, you'll be kicked off welfare completely, which may be too much of a drop. While the system should certainly focus on getting people stable again on their own, it doesn't really work out that way too well right now. In any case how does limiting people to $20 (from welfare) help toward that goal? Is the government going to spend the money to supply the systems that accept these cards to every business? What about businesses outside of the state (where prices may be cheaper, or taxes lower)?

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702561]Yeah let's just take it from health and education and remainder ( police/firemen ) services! that'll be better for jobs and the economy! Everyones fault in my opinion, politics are a bunch of old grudges and back stabbing lying men.[/QUOTE] Or raise taxes on the upper classes, keep everything as it is (Or expand them), like most sane first world countries.

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702561]Yeah let's just take it from health and education and remainder ( police/firemen ) services! that'll be better for jobs and the economy![/QUOTE] no-one said we should do that. being condescending and sarcastic isn't going to help you out, either.

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702561]Yeah let's just take it from health and education and remainder ( police/firemen ) services! that'll be better for jobs and the economy! Everyones fault in my opinion, politics are a bunch of old grudges and back stabbing lying men.[/QUOTE] Rate me dumb because I showed you how minuscule welfare is in your own state's budget. Nice.

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702561]Everyones fault in my opinion, politics are a bunch of old grudges and back stabbing lying men.[/QUOTE] the republicans are mostly to blame they refuse to help anyone who's not straight, rich, white, christian, or male at least the democrats try to promote social programs

Also, AUTOMERGE

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28702577]In any case how does limiting people to $20 (from welfare) help toward that goal? Is the government going to spend the money to supply the systems that accept these cards to every business? What about businesses outside of the state (where prices may be cheaper, or taxes lower)?[/QUOTE] As I said before, it's to avoid excessive withdraws, and to make sure you spend the welfare money on food other essentials. The EBT card will only allow purchases for a selection of items, this twenty dollars monthly(?) allows you to spend it on unapproved items.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;28702617]As I said before, it's to avoid excessive withdraws, and to make sure you spend the welfare money on food and what not. The EBT card will only allow purchases for a selection of items, this twenty dollars monthly(?) allows you to spend it on unapproved items.[/QUOTE] Right, so a twenty will cover fixing my car and my water bill, right?

[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;28702634]Right, so a twenty will cover fixing my car and my water bill, right?[/QUOTE] No, welfare will cover that.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;28702156]Do you have any idea what it's like to pay taxes?[/QUOTE] I do, it's absolutely not bad at all.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;28702617]As I said before, it's to avoid excessive withdraws, and to make sure you spend the welfare money on food other essentials. The EBT card will only allow purchases for a selection of items, this twenty dollars monthly(?) allows you to spend it on unapproved items.[/QUOTE] What is "excessive withdraws?" Is the cost of distributing the systems to businesses worth the drop in misuse of welfare money? What happens when someone on welfare needs to buy something, but the business offering it can't accepts the card?

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;28702297]Don't sit there and act like Welfare isn't abused. I know that there are people that need help, I'm not disputing that, but there needs to be an incentive to [B]get off welfare.[/B] Welfare is to help get you on your feet. It's not supposed to just be free money that you can ride on as long as you meet the requirements.[/QUOTE] uh.. there ARE incentives to get off welfare there are requirements that have to be met. it's not just a lifelong vacation.

[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;28702579]Or raise taxes on the upper classes, keep everything as it is (Or expand them), like most sane first world countries.[/QUOTE] Upper class is taxed more in MN. . . Do you even live here?

Can anyone find actual statistics on the misuse of welfare? I can't find any so far. Without information, we're all just making terrible assumptions anyway.

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702668]Upper class is taxed more in MN. . . Do you even live here?[/QUOTE] the idea is they aren't taxed enough and instead everything is focused on the middle and lower classes, the people who [i]need[/i] the money you condescending prick.

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28702651]What is "excessive withdraws?" Is the cost of distributing the systems to businesses worth the drop in misuse of welfare money? What happens when someone on welfare needs to buy something, but the business offering it can't accepts the card?[/QUOTE] Excessive withdraws typically are defined as emptying half of your account in cash (varies by state). And as I said, is to make sure it spent on essentials. And approved items are typically marked. For the most part, all food is covered. And I don't know why a business wouldn't accept the EBT card, it's basically a debit card. [QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28702688]Can anyone find actual statistics on the misuse of welfare? I can't find any so far. Without information, we're all just making terrible assumptions anyway.[/QUOTE] For the most part, welfare misuse goes extremely undocumented. Hence cash withdraw limits.

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28702688]Can anyone find actual statistics on the misuse of welfare? I can't find any so far. Without information, we're all just making terrible assumptions anyway.[/QUOTE] obviously everyone on welfare is a low life drug addict thief who is taking advantage of the system they're just a bunch of leeches, and it's their fault for being poor :patriot:

If the EBT card can be used anywhere, then what does this even change? [editline]20th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;28702709]For the most part, welfare misuse goes extremely undocumented. Hence cash withdraw limits.[/QUOTE] "We assume there is a problem, so we don't bother measuring it."

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28702732]If the EBT card can be used anywhere, then what does this even change?[/QUOTE] Not much. It'll give you a fuss if you buy unapproved products mixed with approved products, but you still can buy make the total purchase. However, I forgot to add, there are also transaction limits, too, which depend on your monthly allowance.

Lets stop giving old people money first.

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28702668]Upper class is taxed more in MN. . . Do you even live here?[/QUOTE] I live in Alabama, the poster child of "How Not to Run a State." I like to call out familiar occurrences as they happen, such as this.